Tiltinagain 973 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 As much as I wish it wasn't the case, having much more than basic loyalty to a company, to the point of affecting your ability to better yourself with another position in another company, is not a smart business decision in this day and age.The fact is that it is the rare case where a company is going to show it's employees the same type of loaylty that good employees feel they need to show.The bottom line is that most companies care only about the bottom line. They will make decisions that are best for the company and it's bottom line with littleto no consideration of the impact on a group of employees, much less an individual employee. Employers always expect more from their employees than they give back.It's not necessarily wrong, it's just the way businesses are run. They hold the power and, in most cases, employees are nothing more than a replacable piece of the puzzle. Managements job is to deliver results, namely on the bottom line. Strats employer is case in point. Why pay someone the prevailing wage to do the IT job he's doing if they can get away with paying what he's making as a teller.I'm not being a cynical business basher. I'm just saying that, as employees, you need to understand that your employer, in most situations, is not going to show youmuch more than cursory loyaly. So when you have the opportunity to talk with another employer about a job that offers you you the opportunity to better yourself, you are doing yourself a disservice not to pursue it. And you should have not the slightest hint of guilt for doing so.Voice of experience on both sides regards, Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 you are completely right.des moines looks fine. did you really criticize it for not having traffic? Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The fact is that it is the rare case where a company is going to show it's employees the same type of loaylty that good employees feel they need to show.What do you mean by loyalty? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Napa Lite 3,278 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Also not seen in those pictures...blacks. Not a lot of those. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 is that town abandoned imowhy are there no cars or peopleIT'S WINTER! Why don't you show me a picture of Chicago at night in January, so we can see all the people just hanging out.Also: I heard the good news! Keep it up! Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I didn't realize there was a lot of money in that outside of books and movies.Oh yeah, plenty if you are good at it. The things she writes now got her company over $50M last year. She also does freelance writing for a 3 magazines. They pay her like $550 for 1500 words that takes her an hour to maybe and hour and a half to write. Writing is a good gig if you are good at it. She has the ability to write about things she really knows nothing about. When I started dating her she was writing articles for a bowling magazine and some spot work for a NASCAR magazine. She still to this day doesn't know much about either "sport". "obligatory, they live in Detroit, they bought a 5 bedroom, 4 bathroom house for $28,000 joke"We rent. The next house we buy will be in a different state. We still have a plan on getting out soon after Jin gets here. So right now we are renting in a very posh city in Metro Detroit. I get some crude looks from some of my tenants when they found out where I am now living. We laugh because the 2 houses ago we had a hilbilly family across the street who sat outside all day on their white plastic chairs, little swimming pool for the grandchildren, and the oldest son getting the police called on him all the time. (Best time was when he was running down the street with a bat in his hand chasing the ice cream truck).Then the next house was nice except for the neighbor to our left who was an ex convict, never wore a shirt, was fat and covered in tatoos, had a big purple Dodge Ram 4 Wheeler that needed a ladder extension added to get in the truck, and had a hot tub out back and had fatties there every weekend.Now we live on a nice street where our 2010 and 2011 Honda's look out of place with the ZR1 Corvette, the 3 Mercs, the Audi A8, the guy with the Ferrari and the other 10 or so Lexus' and such. We are now the hilbillies and love it! lol Link to post Share on other sites
The Ocho 970 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I didn't know you were married to SouthernBhuddist. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I didn't know you were married to SouthernBhuddist.You know there are some similarities there. My wife does have an obsession with Jepoardy. She never got on though but has been on the short list to wait for a call a couple seasons ago. But the main difference is that my wife doesn't act like a fancy schmancy writer who seems to know everything. She is pretty low key on that. I think the self loathing helps in that regard. Ha. She is a simple woman who enjoys reading and loves to watch football on Sundays. I can't complain much about that. The main complaint I would have is her love of baseball is a little excessive. I can't watch EVERY game all season like she can. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 IT'S WINTER! Why don't you show me a picture of Chicago at night in January, so we can see all the people just hanging out.Also: I heard the good news! Keep it up! IT IS A WINTER WONDERLAND OKHey, man, I've never been shot...yet. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 douche or no douche? the guy who complains about his wife loving baseball? Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You know there are some similarities there. My wife does have an obsession with Jepoardy. She never got on though but has been on the short list to wait for a call a couple seasons ago.You need to work on your hook shot. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 douche or no douche? the guy who complains about his wife loving baseball?I don't know if douche is the right word but I am sure there is a better negative word that would fit me. But sorry, I can't watch all 162 televised Tigers games. I just can't. 100? Maybe, but I do want to go out once in awhile in the summer at night. You need to work on your hook shot.I don't understand this. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 What do you mean by loyalty?In this context I mean making decisions with the well being of the employees in mind if said decision in any way negatively affects the company. As opposed to employee's who very often feel an intense loyalty to a company, don't want to put anyone out, lie, call in sick when their not etc... in order to be able to go on outside interviews that could further their career. I'm not picking on Strat. What he said, and Shake too to a lesser degree, is, in my experience, how most employees feel. There is still some nostalgic belief that if you show up early, work hard, stay late, eat-sleep-breathe the company that they will reward you with a lifelong job, pension and security. We want to feel that way because it helps us have a sense of security as we grow, start a family, buy a house and cars etc... that we'll have that job so we can pay all those bills.My point is that employee loyalty is misplaced and naive in most cases. You need to always be looking out for yourself when it comes to your personal career advancement and always have one eye out so that if an opportunity to advance is available elsewhere, you don't miss out. Companies care about themselves and their goals, so should you. Sometimes your goals can be met where you are and sometimes you have to move on to reach them. Either way you need to look out for your best interests because nobody else is going to. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Suited,The most important legal job I ever got (had? received? I don't know) was a result of an initial failed interview where they "said they would keep my resume on file". They called me out of the blue a year later saying they had this big case and they needed tons of immediate help. Went in for another interview and was hired on the spot. Had that associate position for 14 months then bolted for an in-house position.So, yeah, it's MOSTLY bullshit, but I would check in with this person in 6 months just in case.I agree with this. Same thing happened to me once, and I would also recommend you calling her. IT IS A WINTER WONDERLAND OKHey, man, I've never been shot...yet.We have one of those too...(although your photographer was better)pps: Jack was right:just ask Napa and his stable of bitches. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 In this context I mean making decisions with the well being of the employees in mind if said decision in any way negatively affects the company. As opposed to employee's who very often feel an intense loyalty to a company, don't want to put anyone out, lie, call in sick when their not etc... in order to be able to go on outside interviews that could further their career.In my experience (i.e. small businesses, the lifeblood of the US economy, right mk?) companies show plenty of loyalty if their employees aren't faceless drones. It's easy to lay off stats, but it's a lot harder to let go the guy with the family pictures in his office. I kind of hate people and think they're stupid, but I don't think people are totally heartless.That's not to say that I disagree with you on your overall point. Yes, you should look out for yourself, but that doesn't have to mean that loyalty is a bad thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 pps: Jack was right:Guess they did their casting outside of Des Moines? Link to post Share on other sites
Napa Lite 3,278 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I wouldn't call my bitches a "stable" as much as I'd call them "nonexistent". And Des Moines girls might not be the prettiest, but they are the best looking ones here. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Guess they did their casting outside of Des Moines?How about INSIDE a Des Moines bar!Boom! Link to post Share on other sites
Quacktastic 106 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 How about INSIDE a Des Moines bar!Boom!Not helping your case here champ. Link to post Share on other sites
The Ocho 970 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hey, man, I've never been shot...yet.We get it, you've never been to South Africa.douche or no douche? the guy who complains about his wife loving baseball?Depends. Does she ruin his viewing experience?You need to work on your hook shot.hahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I don't understand this. Hook shot 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ok.Yeah, I still don't get it. Maybe I do but I won't say unless I am wrong since that will just make me look even more stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Vu 176 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ok.Yeah, I still don't get it. Maybe I do but I won't say unless I am wrong since that will just make me look even more stupid.Rosie Perez got on Jeopardy because Woody made that shot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Rosie Perez got on Jeopardy because Woody made that shot.Oh. I don't think I have seen that movie. Carry on. Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 hahalist of 100 best companies to work for came out today. I like reading it and going "god damn it, really?!" for pretty much each one. god damn grocery store checkers making more than me. maybe I'll go to mexico and join a cartel. I'd be rich! Link to post Share on other sites
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