$100,000-200,000 limit holdem beal at wynn

[lister14 0]

the problem i see with beal is that he studied game theory and he has a bottomless bankroll, but where are the hours that he has played at the highoest level/ top competition?

That's pretty hilarious. He has logged more hours at the highest limits ever played than anyone else, and he was playing best players in the world. I really wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Beal. Factor in loss aversion, and i think that the pros are skating on a pretty thin edge, if any at all.

i agree with ur post, people should remember this too a prolonged run by andy could crush the corp but the reverse is not true.

[reedmcneal 0]

Did the stakes change?From what I understand they were playing 50k/100k, not 100k/200k...

50/100k blinds, 100k/200k limits

[deviper 0]

Did the stakes change?From what I understand they were playing 50k/100k, not 100k/200k...

50/100k blinds, 100k/200k limits

No pritty sure its 25/50k blinds, 50k/100k limit.

[deviper 0]

Road posting via TREO650ok done for the night...the details are a bit foggy. the belief is the Beal has kept his lead. I heard Ted went on a big rush for about an hour where he couldn't be beat. if he andy had 3rd pair ted would have 2nd pair...this went on for a bit before he lost much of it back to andy...Jennifer had no comment...but she had no cooment as polite and smiley as possible...Ted simply stated with a smile and a laugh..."hes beating us again". I'm hoping to have more accurate totals later today...thanks everyone for checking in...

[reedmcneal 0]

Did the stakes change?From what I understand they were playing 50k/100k, not 100k/200k...

50/100k blinds, 100k/200k limits

No pritty sure its 25/50k blinds, 50k/100k limit.

My bad, your right :oops:

[InertGrudge 0]

Don't know about everyone else, but this story interests me a whole lot more than any tournament or WSOP. I've read the book at least three times and have learned more each time. I think the fact that the Corporations edge over Beal is so small (if it exists at all) speaks volumes about the game of poker. Beal has spent countless hours honing his play and his style. If I had the type of money he did, I can imagine myself doing this as well. Not for the money, but for the challenge.Rarely in a sport or game can you actually sit down against the pros and scare the living day-lights out of them. Think about golf, or tennis, or even chess or another card game...you simply could not do that. Poker stands out in that manner.Personally, I'd love to see Beal take more than $5 million off the Corporation. Just because.

[deviper 0]

Don't know about everyone else, but this story interests me a whole lot more than any tournament or WSOP.  I've read the book at least three times and have learned more each time.  I think the fact that the Corporations edge over Beal is so small (if it exists at all) speaks volumes about the game of poker.  Beal has spent countless hours honing his play and his style.  If I had the type of money he did, I can imagine myself doing this as well.  Not for the money, but for the challenge.Rarely in a sport or game can you actually sit down against the pros and scare the living day-lights out of them.  Think about golf, or tennis, or even chess or another card game...you simply could not do that.  Poker stands out in that manner.Personally, I'd love to Beal take more than $5 million off the Corporation.  Just because.

Yea I want to see the corp. beat Beal intil he cry uncle or I wont to see see Beal bust the pros. I really dont wont to see the pros win 10mil and then beal leaves. or the other way around.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

I hope the corporation busts this prick in the end. The balls on this guy, he deserves to lose. Too bad the money means nothing to him, but still, a win is a win.

[Kurtman213 0]

I hope the corporation busts this prick in the end.  The balls on this guy, he deserves to lose.  Too bad the money means nothing to him, but still, a win is a win.

I hope they break completely even, so they can look back at these 3 days and think "man I just wasted 3 days of my life"

[denren 0]

let me change my statement, highest competition, okay he played at the highest stakes, but 300 hours at the level of competition he has played at isnt really alot.; the only advantage he has is that hes playing out of their comfort level, i can play 3/6 as a winner because my skill is similar or better to the players at that level, but do you believe that he can dominate the likes of harman, chan, brunson, forest, who have spent years not just 300 hours playing at top competion levels. lets put the stakes aside, but the competition has been working for years to get to their level, and beal in 300 hours playing with them heads up is good enough to defeat them?

[reedmcneal 0]

Looks like day 2 ended with Beal still up a million dollars.

[reedmcneal 0]

let me change my statement, highest competition, okay he played at the highest stakes, but 300 hours at the level of competition he has played at isnt really alot.; the only advantage he has is that hes playing out of their comfort level, i can play 3/6 as a winner because my skill is similar or better to the players at that level, but do you believe that he can dominate the likes of harman, chan, brunson, forest, who have spent years not just 300 hours playing at top competion levels. lets put the stakes aside, but the competition has been working for years to get to their level, and beal in 300 hours playing with them heads up is good enough to defeat them?

Again he's done his homework as stated above. He has played extensively with other pros back in Texas. Not to mention the guy is a genius, who has been amazingly successful financially with little education. It's not us FCPers speculating at his ability level and assigning it to him. It is what we have read that came from the very players he is going up against. Everyone of them has great respect for his game. While most still think they have an edge on him, a minority even dispute that. Barry Greenstein and Mike Matusow have questioned whether the corporation should even consider playing him. It seems almost as if the pros are conceding that they are pushing an edge that is 1% or 2% at best. If that's true they could go broke pretty easily.

[skits2 0]

I think that I'm going to have to guess that Beal comes out ahead overall. I don't know how he keeps beating the pros, but he seems good at it

[ArseneLupin3 0]

Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??

Big difference between HUNLHE and HULHE.Phil would get his ass kicked.-adam

[pckt10s 0]

I think that I'm going to have to guess that Beal comes out ahead overall.  I don't know how he keeps beating the pros, but he seems good at it

Nah, He'll lose it all back just like the previous instances.

[Nugzy 0]

Get Ivey in the game, he wouldn't blink at the stakes. The ice in his veins may melt and allow the blood to flow for once.

Last time they played Ivey was the one most affected by the large stakes.

[bcook823 0]

Get Ivey in the game, he wouldn't blink at the stakes. The ice in his veins may melt and allow the blood to flow for once.

Last time they played Ivey was the one most affected by the large stakes.

I am not sure where you got that, because it doesn't say that in the copy of the book that I bought (assuming your getting information about the last time they played from the book)

[SpeedKills 0]

Heres the latest info guys, seem like Beal is still up:Okay so I just finshed my afterhours homework...I have asked around to everyone i possibly could to get a better idea of what went down. Now, most of this actually conicides to everything I was observing from the Rail at the Wynn....One of the reasons I had difficulty given accurate chip counts is because Andy apparently didnt have as many chips on the table today as yesterday....I think he started with 12 yesterday and of course posted a win. Today he started with 10 from my observation....4 Racks of 25K chips...When he waslked away from the table he had again 4 racks...So kinda shows that there was no big winner or loser today, and it turned out to be very break even. So if it was break even, or close to it today, that would leave Andy up a little over 1 million dollars. Funny thing, earlier i posted that it looked like David Grey was playing....well I was right. David played about a dozen hands or so before Ted made way to the rack of chips that could by a mansion or two.Ted, I hear, and as I observed played very STRONG. LIttle to no emotion whether winning or losing. As I was looking at the group rack up and head for the cage, it seemed a bit more emotional than usual....well...I few of the folks sitting in the higher limit games next to the table that Andy won quite a pot to finish the day...which may have erased any edge Ted had on him in the early goings....So 4 have player, the only pro to put in a winning session to my knowledge was Jennifer Harman. Todd, Ted, and David I believe had losing or break even sessions, and David did not play nearly enough to have any idea on how he fared against Mr. Beal.play resumes tomorrow...I have no idea what time, but I figure around a similar time as today...Who will play????? Im dying to know too..As soon as i get to Wynn tomorrow I will get back to it...I didnt hear any detail...but there have also been some very BIG hands dealt...the dealers couldnt talk, but I feel it may have been either Quads, or a straight flush!!!!!! Can you imagine hitting a million dollar straight FLUSHHH....PD

[HangukMiguk 8]

thanks mucho for the updates speed...keep it up.

[blueodum 0]

let me change my statement, highest competition, okay he played at the highest stakes, but 300 hours at the level of competition he has played at isnt really alot.What you don't seem to understand is that that consititutes more experience against top flight competition than just about anyone in the world. High stakes players don't play heads-up, or very rarely. They play shorthanded and 8-handed ring games. Heads-up is completely different. In addition, they play mixed games and pride themselves on being good in all forms of poker.Andy has basically only played LHE heads-up. Put him in the 4/8 K ring game and he'd get roasted. Put him at an Omaha table and he'd get roasted. He is a specialist in one form of poker and THAT is why he plays as well or better than the top high stakes players.Imagine that I dedicated myself to having the best tennis serve in the world - that's all I practiced. I didn't volley, I didn't hit any groundstrokes, and I didn't run around the court at all. I just worked on my serve.Assuming I have good physical abilities (and Beal surely is intelligent enough to play poker at a high level), eventually I would have a serve as good as the very best of the pros.

[Jordan 1]

some of you act like HUlhe poker takes this immense skill and beal doesn't have that..well...i laugh. HU LHE is a sick little game...it would take them a long time to really get a winner...and if they'd go on a bad run...at those stakes it wouldn't be good.meh- Jordan

[Whatever 1]

HU LHE is a sick little game

Yep. It's good to play as it helps your overall game but it does take one sick puppy to play it all the time.

[yeffy 0]

Get Ivey in the game, he wouldn't blink at the stakes. The ice in his veins may melt and allow the blood to flow for once.

Last time they played Ivey was the one most affected by the large stakes.

I am not sure where you got that, because it doesn't say that in the copy of the book that I bought (assuming your getting information about the last time they played from the book)

I'm not sure you can say difinitively that he was "affected by the large stakes" but it is in the book that he refused to play when the stakes went up to either $50K-$100K or $100K-$200K whichever they were at at the time.Check page 231.

[TS Clark 0]

I was at Wynn last night playing. I got there a bit after the game broke up, I think. One of our dealers mentioned he'd dealt the game the previous night (against Brunson) and was actually surprised by how little raising there had been during his down. He didn't have much specific info and I certainly wasn't going to press him. Besides, having played with many dealers who are off-shift, I don't generally consider them real authorities on proper/optimal play.

[mk 11]

Get Ivey in the game, he wouldn't blink at the stakes. The ice in his veins may melt and allow the blood to flow for once.

Last time they played Ivey was the one most affected by the large stakes.

No.Good luck.