phil at the wsop

[KowboyKoop 0]

To summarize this thread and the WSOP episode, here is what we have learned:A- Phil is a GREAT NL tourney player. Flat out, he got lots of chips in when he was in a dominant position, and was able to keep his losses to a minimum (a BARE minimum...at that) when he had the worst of it. The only way he lost was by losing with AK to KJ all-in preflop. Clearly, Hellmuth is a great player capable of making good laydownsB- Hellmuth is a bit of a douchebag. This can be good at times, and bad at others. It is entertaining sometimes, but also can be very annoying. Personally, I enjoyed Hellmuth ripping that donkey a new one after the suckout, since we see suckout after suckout on TV, followed by chest-beating and boorish yelling and bragging about their great play. For once, the donkey was put in his place a little bit after making a ridiculous donk play. However, Hellmuth berating the player who called his all-in with sevens was ridiculous, there was little or nothing wrong with that play.Overall, Hellmuth is fun to watch, and made for great TV, while also showing us that he is a very good/great player. Too bad he hasn't been running particularly well in the past year or so it seems...at least not on TV anyways.

[Loismustdie 0]

Is anyone going to mention the AK vs. AA hand?On a flop of A 4 4, he didn't put a penny into the pot post flop.Amazing fold.

It was a good fold.... but I don't think he put the other guy on pocket aces, He put him on pocket queens. I also think that phil is very entertaining and thought this was the best WSOP episode I have seen in a very long time.

He had to have put the guy on pocket aces, why would A-K fold to Q-Q on an A-4-4 board? Am I missing something?

[bascomeb 0]

Is anyone going to mention the AK vs. AA hand?On a flop of A 4 4, he didn't put a penny into the pot post flop.Amazing fold.

It was a good fold.... but I don't think he put the other guy on pocket aces, He put him on pocket queens. I also think that phil is very entertaining and thought this was the best WSOP episode I have seen in a very long time.

He had to have put the guy on pocket aces, why would A-K fold to Q-Q on an A-4-4 board? Am I missing something?

yes you are. the turn was a queen

[ChunkyLuver69 0]

the best part of that airingMatasow: It hit the F***ing finger hes gonna say I threw the cards at himDealer: Floor we got an F wordMatasow: This place is a F***ing jokeFloor: Thats 20 minutesMatasow: F*** thatFloor: 30Matasow: Well F*** You make it 40

[Nugzy 0]

That was great. "This guy cant even spell poker". LMFAO. Then the guy, almost crying from being abused so bad... "Hes such a crybaby.".

[Wingmaster05 0]

Is anyone going to mention the AK vs. AA hand?On a flop of A 4 4, he didn't put a penny into the pot post flop.Amazing fold.

It was a good fold.... but I don't think he put the other guy on pocket aces, He put him on pocket queens. I also think that phil is very entertaining and thought this was the best WSOP episode I have seen in a very long time.

He had to have put the guy on pocket aces, why would A-K fold to Q-Q on an A-4-4 board? Am I missing something?

yes you are. the turn was a queen

He put the guy on AQ or QQ or AK or AJ...if his read was this guy is holding a big hand, it's probably one of the first three...so he folded. Of course i wouldn't have folded, but that was probably what he was thinking.

[GCP 0]

Phil dark checked the flop. The old man checked behind him. Q hit the turn.

[TucsonMonster 0]

this is definatly at the top of my favorite WSOP episodes. cuz you forgot one thing......I can dodge bullets baby!lol yeah!FOrd

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

I posted this in the other Phil Hellmuth thread but it sounds like you kids c0ckstroking the wonderful Phil Hellmuth need to read it too.It refers to the AK vs. AA on an A-4-4-Q board hand.

Hmmmm. Defense exhibit A) Min-reraise preflop from an old guy. Old guys are either super-tight, super-loose, or good... and for a min-reraise preflop with aces I'm thinking weak/supertight. Second, he dark-checked the flop, not CHOSE to check the flop. In case you didn't notice, he dark-checked EVERY flop where he was out of position and heads up. I think it's because he was scared to play heads up out of position against unknowns in the World Series. Third... before we hand over every poker accolade ever made, if you've read Caro's book of tells AT ALL, the old dude lit up like a Christmas tree. He was blinking like crazy (release of tension), shrugged when he bet the turn, and acted noticeably nervous when Phil asked him questions (which he eagerly responded to, because PHIL HELLMUTH is talking to me!!!) Hellmuth put him on queens because it's the logical read given a) min reraise preflop, and b) the way that poor old guy was acting. If anything, Phil is LUCKY that queen fell off. If a 7 falls off, old dude gets paid and Hellmuth whines about "the cooler that always happens to me." I can think of 25 name pros I'd rather not sit with before I get to Hellmuth. If I'm EVER at a TV table with him I'm asking him how he feels as a poker player and as a man that he has to get his wife to calm him down... after 16 years of competitive poker. I"d ask him how his mom's doing, and then tell Phil I'd call her later. It wasn't THAT brilliant a read... but I'm sure he'd like the uneducated poker world to think it was. Maybe Phil Hellmuth should stop worrying about the BUSINESS of being Phil Hellmuth and win some poker tournaments. Also, the dude to his left in the red shirt absolutely PWNED Hellmuth on the first hand of Episode 3. The unknown played AK BEAUTIFULLY I thought, especially if he read the limp mutliway and then dark-check to mean a small pocket pair, which is somewhat logical. The dude also didn't say a word when Hellmuth tried to get a read on him.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Have to love Phil's rant after losing to KJ. But how about the guy playing with his feet?

Speaking of the guy playing with his feet...First of all, sucks he lost his arms in a motorcycle accident. That ain't cool and I don't fault him for that.However, he was wearing a Golden Palace.com T-shirt and hat, and had "Golden Palace .com" stamped on the insteps of both his feet.This is the same internet casino that bankrolled the psycho British nudist who streaked at the New England/Carolina Superbowl. I realize it's a nice story, but I hate seeing that kind of advertising rewarded with TV time... when I'd much rather see brilliant hands from brilliant players.I guarantee you that guy didn't put up a penny of his own money to play in the World Series.But that having been said, if I had no arms and a website offered to stake me for the WSOP, I'd probably do it too... so there ya go.I think that between the Degree All In Moment on stupid preflop pushes, the Milwaukee's Best Hold'em or Fold'em Challenge (which is a coin flip with zero information), or the RELENTLESSLY repeated commercials, the World Series of Poker is losing (or already lost) a lot of soul for a quick buck.

[dball1981 0]

Here's my thought, Phil is a great player as his records show and you can't deny that anyone who can lay down AK on a board of AQ44 is solid. But I absolutely love his rants. When he started barating that guy with the KJ I could not stop laughing. Someone said earlier that it was one of the best episodes ever and I will have to agree with that. Glad i TIVOed it.

[Batch 0]

For the sake of Pete, dank, there is a WSOP thread right above this!

this one is better

[smokingfast420 0]

I posted this in the other Phil Hellmuth thread but it sounds like you kids c0ckstroking the wonderful Phil Hellmuth need to read it too.It refers to the AK vs. AA on an A-4-4-Q board hand.

Hmmmm. Defense exhibit A) Min-reraise preflop from an old guy. Old guys are either super-tight, super-loose, or good... and for a min-reraise preflop with aces I'm thinking weak/supertight. Second, he dark-checked the flop, not CHOSE to check the flop. In case you didn't notice, he dark-checked EVERY flop where he was out of position and heads up. I think it's because he was scared to play heads up out of position against unknowns in the World Series. Third... before we hand over every poker accolade ever made, if you've read Caro's book of tells AT ALL, the old dude lit up like a Christmas tree. He was blinking like crazy (release of tension), shrugged when he bet the turn, and acted noticeably nervous when Phil asked him questions (which he eagerly responded to, because PHIL HELLMUTH is talking to me!!!) Hellmuth put him on queens because it's the logical read given a) min reraise preflop, and B) the way that poor old guy was acting. If anything, Phil is LUCKY that queen fell off. If a 7 falls off, old dude gets paid and Hellmuth whines about "the cooler that always happens to me." I can think of 25 name pros I'd rather not sit with before I get to Hellmuth. If I'm EVER at a TV table with him I'm asking him how he feels as a poker player and as a man that he has to get his wife to calm him down... after 16 years of competitive poker. I"d ask him how his mom's doing, and then tell Phil I'd call her later. It wasn't THAT brilliant a read... but I'm sure he'd like the uneducated poker world to think it was. Maybe Phil Hellmuth should stop worrying about the BUSINESS of being Phil Hellmuth and win some poker tournaments. Also, the dude to his left in the red shirt absolutely PWNED Hellmuth on the first hand of Episode 3. The unknown played AK BEAUTIFULLY I thought, especially if he read the limp mutliway and then dark-check to mean a small pocket pair, which is somewhat logical. The dude also didn't say a word when Hellmuth tried to get a read on him.

Quit player hating. I know Hellmuth is a fun guy to hate but if you have to pick on something pick on his poor attitude and immaturity because his game is brilliant. There are several pros who are probably better in a cash game but as far as tournament play Hellmuth's record puts him near the very top.

[iveyfan30 0]

I posted this in the other Phil Hellmuth thread but it sounds like you kids c0ckstroking the wonderful Phil Hellmuth need to read it too.It refers to the AK vs. AA on an A-4-4-Q board hand.

Hmmmm. Defense exhibit A) Min-reraise preflop from an old guy. Old guys are either super-tight, super-loose, or good... and for a min-reraise preflop with aces I'm thinking weak/supertight. Second, he dark-checked the flop, not CHOSE to check the flop. In case you didn't notice, he dark-checked EVERY flop where he was out of position and heads up. I think it's because he was scared to play heads up out of position against unknowns in the World Series. Third... before we hand over every poker accolade ever made, if you've read Caro's book of tells AT ALL, the old dude lit up like a Christmas tree. He was blinking like crazy (release of tension), shrugged when he bet the turn, and acted noticeably nervous when Phil asked him questions (which he eagerly responded to, because PHIL HELLMUTH is talking to me!!!) Hellmuth put him on queens because it's the logical read given a) min reraise preflop, and B) the way that poor old guy was acting. If anything, Phil is LUCKY that queen fell off. If a 7 falls off, old dude gets paid and Hellmuth whines about "the cooler that always happens to me." I can think of 25 name pros I'd rather not sit with before I get to Hellmuth. If I'm EVER at a TV table with him I'm asking him how he feels as a poker player and as a man that he has to get his wife to calm him down... after 16 years of competitive poker. I"d ask him how his mom's doing, and then tell Phil I'd call her later. It wasn't THAT brilliant a read... but I'm sure he'd like the uneducated poker world to think it was. Maybe Phil Hellmuth should stop worrying about the BUSINESS of being Phil Hellmuth and win some poker tournaments. Also, the dude to his left in the red shirt absolutely PWNED Hellmuth on the first hand of Episode 3. The unknown played AK BEAUTIFULLY I thought, especially if he read the limp mutliway and then dark-check to mean a small pocket pair, which is somewhat logical. The dude also didn't say a word when Hellmuth tried to get a read on him.

Quit player hating. I know Hellmuth is a fun guy to hate but if you have to pick on something pick on his poor attitude and immaturity because his game is brilliant. There are several pros who are probably better in a cash game but as far as tournament play Hellmuth's record puts him near the very top.

i stopped reading after that line....

[Vatche 0]

Here is why people dont like Phil:Phil calls a preflop raise with AJ. Flop is A, rag, rag. He calls a decent sized bet. Turns a J. Guy goes all in Phil calls. Guy has AQ and leaves graciously.If the roles were reversed, Phil would say,"I cant believe it! They just love getting there money in on me drawing dead. This is the worst poker I have ever seen. Wait a minute, let me see this. He calls my flop bet with AJ. Like I dont have that beat. I mean, come on, this guy is walking on water over here. I mean they are dying to get there money in with the worst of it. This is just so unfair! Im playing as well as I can play and these donkeys are just trying to give me their money. I mean come on."To be perfectly honest, I agree completley with Phil on the KJ hand. I also love watching Phil blow up like this. Its great. When he said, "This guy cant even spell poker." I was on the ground laughing. Phil is great for poker. I love watching him play.

when all the money went in , phil had the best hand as usual...if the giuy made a descent bet on the flop , phils out...

[BilliardsBoy 0]

I think that between the Degree All In Moment on stupid preflop pushes, the Milwaukee's Best Hold'em or Fold'em Challenge (which is a coin flip with zero information), or the RELENTLESSLY repeated commercials, the World Series of Poker is losing (or already lost) a lot of soul for a quick buck.

Well said.And how about those damn commercials w/ Chris Furguson where the obvious play is always wrong. Guy has just A hi with paint cards on the board, and I'm really supposed to believe that he should hold em? Give me a break.I too am getting fed up with the over-done glamor of poker. Give it another year and I'm sure many ppl, even some players like the ones on this site, or going to laugh at the poker craze like we do now about reality TV.I can't wait for the next TV fad to hit in 4 years. Let's see.... reality tv, gay tv, gambling tv. My guess is we're ready for the Icelandic nomad sitcoms to start coming.

[Scanner313 0]

Gotta agree with Phil here. Who in the world would stick all their chips in with KJ to a Phil Hellmuth raise.

The guy bluffed on the chance that Phil wasn't that strong, and he got called.All that segment was was Helmuth ranting about a bad beat, and being a complete dickwad in the process. It did make for some great TV though!

[HurricaneKyle 0]

Man after rewatching this, I can't wait to see what Bill Fillmaff will say. I can see some real exploitation with "Honey I can dodge bullets" and of course the awesome rant to that donkey. I can't wait.

[frazwood 0]

My 2 cents on Phil:1. He and Matusow are about the most entertaining poker players to watch. That said, poker is pretty boring to watch.2. Phil is ridiculously talented.3. Phil did not scream at the guy who busted him with 77. He shook his hand and said "nice hand". His criticisms of the guy were said to his wife. This happens a lot to Phil. On the rare circumstances when he behaves... he still gets lambasted for misbehaving.4. Phil is a crybaby. He lost AKo vs KJs. It happens. He should learn to suck it up and deal with it, but he never will. People have complained about Phil's attitude for a long long time.5. My favorite Hellmuth quote of all time actually comes from the stupid show "Tilt". When he gets busted, he mutters to himself about getting beat by a crime lord or something like that. That was priceless.

[Mikeh77 0]

Phil is Mcenroe...talented, super competitive and unable to control his emootions when things dont go his way.

[memphis-sc 0]

I love how Phil ranted and raged how no pro would never, ever go all in with King-Jack, and then later in the show it shows Doyle going all in wiht KJ.Also, I found it a little creepy that he had to keep reiterating that he stays true to his wife and family, as if someone accused him of not being true.

[Loismustdie 0]

My 2 cents on Phil:1. He and Matusow are about the most entertaining poker players to watch. That said, poker is pretty boring to watch.2. Phil is ridiculously talented.3. Phil did not scream at the guy who busted him with 77. He shook his hand and said "nice hand". His criticisms of the guy were said to his wife. This happens a lot to Phil. On the rare circumstances when he behaves... he still gets lambasted for misbehaving.4. Phil is a crybaby. He lost AKo vs KJs. It happens. He should learn to suck it up and deal with it, but he never will. People have complained about Phil's attitude for a long long time.5. My favorite Hellmuth quote of all time actually comes from the stupid show "Tilt". When he gets busted, he mutters to himself about getting beat by a crime lord or something like that. That was priceless.

World Series of Poker- Guy goes all in for what was it, 7500? With K-J. Preflop. There is no reason to make that move, he's only down 2500 chips from where he started. This is the same guy who called an all in for 5,000 with J-10 suited a few hands before, and whined when his straight didn't hold up. The guy was looking for spots to gamble donkey style and got lucky- but in Helmuths defense the WSOP has now turned into an online donkfest the first couple of days, and at times quality play is out the window. I think more than anything this is what pisses Phil off, that it no longer is a showcase for the best and the brightest.

[alf13 0]

I love how Phil ranted and raged how no pro would never, ever go all in with King-Jack, and then later in the show it shows Doyle going all in wiht KJ.Also, I found it a little creepy that he had to keep reiterating that he stays true to his wife and family, as if someone accused him of not being true.

You didn't pay attention....The guy raised to 1500 with KJ....Phil re-raised him to 5000 and the guy pushed in for 16k MORE.....a total donk play.I hope you were not comparing Doyle moving allin on a short stack with KJ to this idiot losing his mind.

[alf13 0]

My 2 cents on Phil:1. He and Matusow are about the most entertaining poker players to watch. That said, poker is pretty boring to watch.2. Phil is ridiculously talented.3. Phil did not scream at the guy who busted him with 77. He shook his hand and said "nice hand". His criticisms of the guy were said to his wife. This happens a lot to Phil. On the rare circumstances when he behaves... he still gets lambasted for misbehaving.4. Phil is a crybaby. He lost AKo vs KJs. It happens. He should learn to suck it up and deal with it, but he never will. People have complained about Phil's attitude for a long long time.5. My favorite Hellmuth quote of all time actually comes from the stupid show "Tilt". When he gets busted, he mutters to himself about getting beat by a crime lord or something like that. That was priceless.

World Series of Poker- Guy goes all in for what was it, 7500? With K-J. Preflop. There is no reason to make that move, he's only down 2500 chips from where he started. This is the same guy who called an all in for 5,000 with J-10 suited a few hands before, and whined when his straight didn't hold up. The guy was looking for spots to gamble donkey style and got lucky- but in Helmuths defense the WSOP has now turned into an online donkfest the first couple of days, and at times quality play is out the window. I think more than anything this is what censored Phil off, that it no longer is a showcase for the best and the brightest.

It was worst....read my post....he basically put 20k in the pot after a top pro advertizes that he has a big hand to him.That guy was an idiot.

[memphis-sc 0]

I in no way was saying that this guy made the right move...it was borderline retarded. It was just the fact that Phil stated no pro would ever get his stack in preflop with KJ, and that is exactly what Doyle did. Obviously I dont know what Doyle's chip situation was (I am not sure if they said, although I am sure he was extremely shortstacked).