checkymcfold 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Oh, yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply that you were still like limping Q10s with 9 players after you an' shit (extreme example). It was correct to play the way we did then, and I'm sure you've grown even proportionately better than I have. I was just contextualizing the area in which I last knew you.watch out, i did that today, and got 6 more limpers as predicted . Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 watch out, i did that today, and got 6 more limpers as predicted .God I miss 2005. Sometimes I think back to how horribly I saw the game back then and wonder how I won, and then I remember all the 60BB pots I could win with the Q-J-10-9-8. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 God I miss 2005. Sometimes I think back to how horribly I saw the game back then and wonder how I won, and then I remember all the 60BB pots I could win with the Q-J-10-9-8.on ap this afternoon the games were better than in 2005. i had one guy 3b me with king high no draw on the turn and numerous others cap every street with tp. lol poker .tonight, however, it is not quite going so well . Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 on ap this afternoon the games were better than in 2005. i had one guy 3b me with king high no draw on the turn and numerous others cap every street with tp. lol poker .tonight, however, it is not quite going so well .In general, is AP softer than Cake, in your experience? Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 In general, is AP softer than Cake, in your experience?in general, i'd say cake is softer, esp at mid limits. ap is really random--sometimes the games are horrifically terrible, sometimes they're hilariously good. today it's the latter. yay. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 in general, i'd say cake is softer, esp at mid limits. ap is really random--sometimes the games are horrifically terrible, sometimes they're hilariously good. today it's the latter. yay.How hard is it to get games with bad players in HULHE on either site?(Low limit, that is) Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 How hard is it to get games with bad players in HULHE on either site?(Low limit, that is)hmm, well first, you don't generally wanna play lower than 2/4 hulhe unless you've got a hilariously bad fish on the line. that said, i've literally never played anyone on cake that is any good, although my sample there is very limited. on ap, i'd say that if you don't waste your time playing good players at 2/4 and 3/6, even if you have a slight edge on them, you can be playing people that you shoudl beat for 4BB/100 for about 20-30 hands an hour on avg.i game select pretty heavy at hulhe and i'm at just under 7.5BB/100 on ap this year, fwiw. i'd imagine navy is running better than that. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I haven't played a hand of poker today, but I feel like I'm having a really productive day, thanks to a brief conversation with NB that's got me fired up about becoming the world's greatest, and somewhat angry with my father because he never played catch with me.(I'm also building a "field of fantasy" or something like that, based on his recommendation.)Anyway, I'm looking to go nuts on shit. I just watched a bunch of Bryce classroom stuff. First of all, is anyone else terrified of him? I wake up in cold sweats, imagining I have to play him. I have vivid nightmares about him bending me over my poker desk and raping me, ejaculating maple syrup all over the back of my thighs. Second, "Good poker is the ability to accurately quantify the likelihood of your opponents' actions and potential future actions, and to then use mathematics to find the line with the highest average rate of return" now hangs above my rape/poker desk. Finally, a while back I was trying to add some new mathematical tools to my arsenal, mainly Combinatrics, and I kind of understood it, but after watching a video on it, I think I have a better handle, and in fact, it might be helpful if anyone knows of like a worksheet of Combinatrics problems or scenarios we could work through, or could easily put one together; I feel like it would be pretty useful to get comfortable enough to do this in real time. Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I haven't played a hand of poker today, but I feel like I'm having a really productive day, thanks to a brief conversation with NB that's got me fired up about becoming the world's greatest, and somewhat angry with my father because he never played catch with me. I can so see this happening... Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 +1 to lurker... I've read every post in this thread.^^this^^and Dirtydutch is by far my favorite poster at FCP Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 and Dirtydutch is by far my favorite poster at FCPThat's just because you haven't seen any of HollywoodAFD's posts. ---I think I'm getting pretty good at this game. Also, Tom Waits is awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 In general, is AP softer than Cake, in your experience?the games at cake are so soft that i make a point to play lhe hands at ftp also so i can practice playing better players. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 ship four 50BB days in a row, bishes. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 whats do you guys think of this?the guy is like 27/21/1.5after this, this guy gets every pot capped preflop that he three bets me. im shocked that he did this. he had to have had an ace layed it down, right?Full Tilt Poker Game #8572327101: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:25:59 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($163)Seat 2: bababumm ($45)Seat 3: everwin ($198)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($46)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($107.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($117)everwin posts the small blind of $1playboy0407 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac Qc]AntonChigurh13 calls $2antistuff raises to $4pls_river_me foldsbababumm foldseverwin raises to $6playboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 calls $4antistuff raises to $8everwin calls $2AntonChigurh13 calls $2*** FLOP *** [Kh Ah Ad]everwin bets $2AntonChigurh13 foldsantistuff raises to $4everwin foldsUncalled bet of $2 returned to antistuffantistuff mucksantistuff wins the pot ($29)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $30 | Rake $1Board: [Kh Ah Ad]Seat 1: pls_river_me didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: bababumm (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: everwin (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: playboy0407 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: AntonChigurh13 folded on the FlopSeat 6: antistuff collected ($29), mucked Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 ship four 50BB days in a row, bishes.nice.great to see some positivity in here Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Full Tilt Poker Game #8572341181: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:28:32 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($143)Seat 2: bababumm ($65)Seat 3: everwin ($196)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($40)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($97.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($133)bababumm posts the small blind of $1everwin posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [5h 6h]playboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 calls $2antistuff calls $2there are two tags at the table and three loose passives. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 one more. this one is a brag.this guy is a slightly too tight tag and told me how dumb i am. Full Tilt Poker Game #8572350139: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:30:08 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($146)Seat 2: bababumm ($66)Seat 3: everwin ($193)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($38)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($100.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($131)playboy0407 posts the small blind of $1AntonChigurh13 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac Ah]antistuff raises to $4pls_river_me raises to $6bababumm foldseverwin foldsplayboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 foldsantistuff calls $2*** FLOP *** [6h 3d 5h]antistuff checkspls_river_me bets $2antistuff calls $2*** TURN *** [6h 3d 5h] [9c]antistuff checkspls_river_me bets $4antistuff raises to $8pls_river_me raises to $12antistuff raises to $16pls_river_me calls $4*** RIVER *** [6h 3d 5h 9c] [Th]antistuff bets $4pls_river_me calls $4*** SHOW DOWN ***antistuff shows [Ac Ah] a pair of Acespls_river_me mucksantistuff wins the pot ($57) with a pair of Aces*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $59 | Rake $2Board: [6h 3d 5h 9c Th]Seat 1: pls_river_me mucked [Ks Kc] - a pair of KingsSeat 2: bababumm didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: everwin (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: playboy0407 (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: AntonChigurh13 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: antistuff showed [Ac Ah] and won ($57) with a pair of Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 whats do you guys think of this?the guy is like 27/21/1.5after this, this guy gets every pot capped preflop that he three bets me. im shocked that he did this. he had to have had an ace layed it down, right?Full Tilt Poker Game #8572327101: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:25:59 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($163)Seat 2: bababumm ($45)Seat 3: everwin ($198)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($46)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($107.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($117)everwin posts the small blind of $1playboy0407 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac Qc]AntonChigurh13 calls $2antistuff raises to $4pls_river_me foldsbababumm foldseverwin raises to $6playboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 calls $4antistuff raises to $8everwin calls $2AntonChigurh13 calls $2*** FLOP *** [Kh Ah Ad]everwin bets $2AntonChigurh13 foldsantistuff raises to $4everwin foldsUncalled bet of $2 returned to antistuffantistuff mucksantistuff wins the pot ($29)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $30 | Rake $1Board: [Kh Ah Ad]Seat 1: pls_river_me didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: bababumm (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: everwin (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: playboy0407 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: AntonChigurh13 folded on the FlopSeat 6: antistuff collected ($29), muckedLooks good. If you call and raise the turn it's pretty obvious you have an ace, he's going to pay you off with tons of shit (99-QQ, at least, plus any K), and if he has a worse Ace he's going to 3-bet it, and you can just call and lead the turn. Pre-flop is good, particularly with the limper ahead of you. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 one more. this one is a brag.this guy is a slightly too tight tag and told me how dumb i am. Full Tilt Poker Game #8572350139: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:30:08 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($146)Seat 2: bababumm ($66)Seat 3: everwin ($193)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($38)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($100.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($131)playboy0407 posts the small blind of $1AntonChigurh13 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ac Ah]antistuff raises to $4pls_river_me raises to $6bababumm foldseverwin foldsplayboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 foldsantistuff calls $2*** FLOP *** [6h 3d 5h]antistuff checkspls_river_me bets $2antistuff calls $2*** TURN *** [6h 3d 5h] [9c]antistuff checkspls_river_me bets $4antistuff raises to $8pls_river_me raises to $12antistuff raises to $16pls_river_me calls $4*** RIVER *** [6h 3d 5h 9c] [Th]antistuff bets $4pls_river_me calls $4*** SHOW DOWN ***antistuff shows [Ac Ah] a pair of Acespls_river_me mucksantistuff wins the pot ($57) with a pair of Aces*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $59 | Rake $2Board: [6h 3d 5h 9c Th]Seat 1: pls_river_me mucked [Ks Kc] - a pair of KingsSeat 2: bababumm didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: everwin (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: playboy0407 (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 5: AntonChigurh13 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: antistuff showed [Ac Ah] and won ($57) with a pair ofSeems justifiable. I think I'd need to know the recent history and the meta game a little better to know about the your turn cap, but it's hard to put him on a set if he really thinks you're out of line. But I would need to feel like I knew what was going through his head beyond "taf who hates you." Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Full Tilt Poker Game #8572341181: Table Willow (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 4:28:32 ET - 2008/10/20Seat 1: pls_river_me ($143)Seat 2: bababumm ($65)Seat 3: everwin ($196)Seat 4: playboy0407 ($40)Seat 5: AntonChigurh13 ($97.50)Seat 6: antistuff ($133)bababumm posts the small blind of $1everwin posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [5h 6h]playboy0407 foldsAntonChigurh13 calls $2antistuff calls $2there are two tags at the table and three loose passives.Which two are the tags, positionally? I think if a TAG's in the BB, I love a raise here. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Looks good. If you call and raise the turn it's pretty obvious you have an ace, he's going to pay you off with tons of shit (99-QQ, at least, plus any K), and if he has a worse Ace he's going to 3-bet it, and you can just call and lead the turn. Pre-flop is good, particularly with the limper ahead of you.in general what he did here is petty dumb. against me its actually perfect. (if he plays this like i think he does)against me on this flop - bet/folding with any ace short of aj is good - betting into me with ak or kk is the way to make me lose the most bets here - he can probably just fold a king or small pairs as he is so far behind my capping range and doesn't have the odds to call down+ wont get enough from me when hes ahead. he might want to call down with kq the thing is, he doesn't know me from a hole in the wall, and my stats and play at this table so far make me look slightly maniacal. so given that, if he is going to be bet/folding hands like ax here i think i found a fun game to play with him in the future. however, looking at this, i am slightly worried about my own exportability in this situation (given that i could easily come up with the perfect counter strategy). maybe i need to start capping more in position, especially in a three way pot with a bad player between me and a tag. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Which two are the tags, positionally? I think if a TAG's in the BB, I love a raise here.one of them is. one of the is the button. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 in general what he did here is petty dumb. against me its actually perfect. (if he plays this like i think he does)against me on this flop - bet/folding with any ace short of aj is good - betting into me with ak or kk is the way to make me lose the most bets here - he can probably just fold a king or small pairs as he is so far behind my capping range and doesn't have the odds to call down+ wont get enough from me when hes ahead. he might want to call down with kq the thing is, he doesn't know me from a hole in the wall, and my stats and play at this table so far make me look slightly maniacal. so given that, if he is going to be bet/folding hands like ax here i think i found a fun game to play with him in the future. however, looking at this, i am slightly worried about my own exportability in this situation (given that i could easily come up with the perfect counter strategy). maybe i need to start capping more in position, especially in a three way pot with a bad player between me and a tag.Wait, you think he's folding an A? Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Seems justifiable. I think I'd need to know the recent history and the meta game a little better to know about the your turn cap, but it's hard to put him on a set if he really thinks you're out of line. But I would need to feel like I knew what was going through his head beyond "taf who hates you."i think its thin, especially given that i need to lead the river and call a raise. i wouldn't know how to put my read exactly into words, but against this guy this was good. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 one of them is. one of the is the button.I think I like a raise there better, but I don't limp much at all. Link to post Share on other sites
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