I Can't Win On Pokerstars

[JoeyJoJo 18]

how did this get to 5 pages!

Because you've posted 23 times in this thread.Sincerely,Great Dane

[Actuary 3]

Because you've posted 23 times in this thread.Sincerely,Great Dane

kiss me.

[mx957 0]

kiss me.

The sexual frustration is showing through again.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I hate to say this but i find Full Tilt sucks, I posted a few hands in the BBF. I noticed in my times spent that all my dominating hands Like Ak, vs A,x etc.. have lost a lot. I mean like 70% of the time, my 70% fav to win hand will lose.which makes it like, umm. i dunno 140% of ZOMGBBQ!!!11!!and during this time spent there, I also played at a B&M where i have been dominating, and not just cuz I pwn all the players, but because my hands held.

You weren't with me in Vegas in June, when I went all in with dominating hand 15 times at TURN, only to see 13 of those hands cracked on the river. I dropped a grand in $1/2 in four days, playing pretty well. If half those hands hold (rather than the 90% that should have), I get on the plane with about three grand in my pocket. ... Variance is truly, truly, truly a *****. June and Sept this year -- I couldn't hold a hand for the world. The other months (especially Jan - May), were really statistically solid.

[krup24 0]

so shocked you started this thread although i share similar sentimentslast 11 knockouts of toureys and sngs were ridiculous, AK vs Ax AIPF like 5x overs vs unders etc etcNot saying its rigged but to keep a stable BR playing sngs you need to make the money and taking beats like that especially on the bubble going from big stack to short stack is frustratingi left stars for good a while back but moved the roll there when FCP shut down. for the month i'm up exactly 12 dollars which isn't helping the roll.

[gimeabrak 0]

move to FT

The Chargers played a great game last nightmoved from san diego and miss watching my chargers play

[AcesUp46 0]

You weren't with me in Vegas in June, when I went all in with dominating hand 15 times at TURN, only to see 13 of those hands cracked on the river. I dropped a grand in $1/2 in four days, playing pretty well. If half those hands hold (rather than the 90% that should have), I get on the plane with about three grand in my pocket. ... Variance is truly, truly, truly a *****. June and Sept this year -- I couldn't hold a hand for the world. The other months (especially Jan - May), were really statistically solid.

Everytime I play badly, I just blame it on variance.Girlfriend dumped me? Meh...variance.

[Jeepster80125 0]

God, you're even more worthless than I am.And for Actuary, you should talk to this guy.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=24286

[GWCGWC 83]

Dear Pokerstars,BITE MEYours Truly,GG

[Actuary 3]

God, you're even more worthless than I am.And for Actuary, you should talk to this guy.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=24286

lolyeah, I've read most of that.Dane has a crush on mecan't shake him

[Jeepster80125 0]

lolyeah, I've read most of that.Dane has a crush on mecan't shake him

I think he needs a houdini. Take him from the back, pull out and spit on his back, then when he turns around, you nut in his face.Houdini!

[Muck, You Suckers! 0]

I have noticed when multi-tabling on Stars that similar hands fall. Have used it to my advantage a time or two. 2005 and first half of 2006 I did well on Stars. Many wins and final tables. Since June I have had many bad beats and I mean many. Only final tables I have seen were in 7 card and Omaha since June. Is it me? I don't know. I have looked at my play, compared it, analyzed it, and have yet to see the problem. Have made several final tables at Full Tilt and Doyle's Room during this same period. I go to casinos and play my game and have been winning. I do know that on Stars it has gotten where they will call you with anything and show you down. Maybe that could be it? I don't know. The other night I have AA in round 4 of an MTT. I make a big raise and get called by two. Flop comes A-J-8. One raises and the other calls. I move all in. I get called by not the original raiser but by the one who called the raiser. His cards show 3-5 offsuit, and I am thinking "wow. what a dumba$$. No, I am the dumbass. The turn shows a 4 and the river comes a deuce. My trip aces are cracked by the straight. He was congratulated by two others for having a "NH". I have all of about 100 chips left. What do you say at that point? And that is just one of many. I don't know. It's frustrating as he## is all I know.

[oldirtyharry 0]

The other night I have AA in round 4 of an MTT. I make a big raise and get called by two. Flop comes A-J-8. One raises and the other calls. I move all in. I get called by not the original raiser but by the one who called the raiser. His cards show 3-5 offsuit, and I am thinking "wow. what a dumba$$. No, I am the dumbass. The turn shows a 4 and the river comes a deuce. My trip aces are cracked by the straight. He was congratulated by two others for having a "NH". I have all of about 100 chips left. What do you say at that point? And that is just one of many. I don't know. It's frustrating as he## is all I know.

Stop playing freerolls. And the 6 other people should have said NH as well.

[Muck, You Suckers! 0]

Did I say it was a freeroll? I wouldn't want to explain to a donk *** punk like you anyway. Probably the same kind of moron that goes all in with 5-3 offsuit.By the way, that movie sucked. Deniro was playing a punk. You would like that though. Cause you see something that reminds you of you. But in the real world he'd have been giving blowjobs in a prison cell. Which is what you probably like about it.

[GWCGWC 83]

ok, I just got so fed up with Stars and my current downswing that I've cashed out 3/4 of my BR on there. This means if I want to play anything, it'll be low limits and cheaper MTT's. reverse cashout curse?I just won the 3rd chance flipament! Wahoo, I'm on my way BACK!

[Wandigo 1]

So I lost a big hand the very previous hand before this, so I was trying to portray some tilt here, which worked since I got a call*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to wandigo [Kd Kh]Perryton said, "desparation"RLS Shark: folds stevemruk: raises 200 to 300PatBEvil: folds RLS Shark said, "lol"wandigo: raises 2115 to 2415 and is all-inPerryton: folds Poker Jack88: folds stevemruk: calls 970 and is all-inwandigo said, "fake tilt"*** FLOP *** [Qs 4h Ks]*** TURN *** [Qs 4h Ks] [Ts]*** RIVER *** [Qs 4h Ks Ts] [Js]*** SHOW DOWN ***stevemruk: shows [Qh As] (a Royal Flush)wandigo: shows [Kd Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)stevemruk collected 2690 from potyes this is on pokerstars.

[profxavier9 0]

i cant win on absolute.in the past 2 weeks (About 2 hours of play mind you) i picked up 9 small pocket pairs and didnt hit a set once.

wow im assuming you left out the sw. LOL

[oldirtyharry 0]

Did I say it was a freeroll? I wouldn't want to explain to a donk *** punk like you anyway. Probably the same kind of moron that goes all in with 5-3 offsuit.By the way, that movie sucked. Deniro was playing a punk. You would like that though. Cause you see something that reminds you of you. But in the real world he'd have been giving blowjobs in a prison cell. Which is what you probably like about it.

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[shamhawks 0]

ok, back from work and this is just a subject that can be debated till blue in the face. I'm sticking to my opinion until I see proof.I always love when this debate comes up, that even though no one has said pokerstars is doing anything on purpose, people still have to say we are saying the site is rigged. In no way do i believe this, as they make so much money regardless that they don't have to rig it.But just think they have a flawed RNG. I'm not some newbie that has played a little poker. I have played Hold'em for 15+ years (way before it was popular) and will put my bad beats against anyone as they happen on a regular basis, heck I played a live tourney on Saturday and Ran my AA against AQ got him all-in on the flop and he hit runners for a straight, I played a UB tourney yesterday and the beats were crazy, first 6 AA were cracked and many runner wins for the underdog....YES, I know they happen and don't think they are rigged, but these are just one tourney occurences. The reason I believe that PS in not as random, is just based on the fact that these happen so much that it's hard to miss.and Wakefield, I would love to challenge people to look at the poker tracker stats compared to other sites. I know for myself that although i have only played pokerstars bout 20% of the time compared to other sites, that my Quads and royal flushes are at a much higher rate on PS.Just saying that it's possible "as it is" a program and programs do have glitches.Heck, about 2 years ago while playing on party, in a matter of about 60-80 hands. I had AA, KK QQ more than 25 times. It was the craziest thing you ever saw and they shut it down for a little bit. If this wasn't a glitch, I don't know what is...Anyway, like i Said, I'm sticking to my opinion until i see proof or see over an extended period that things have changed.

[timwakefield 68]

and Wakefield, I would love to challenge people to look at the poker tracker stats compared to other sites. I know for myself that although i have only played pokerstars bout 20% of the time compared to other sites, that my Quads and royal flushes are at a much higher rate on PS.Just saying that it's possible "as it is" a program and programs do have glitches.

I wish somebody would track 50k or 100k hands and give results. I doubt anybody will though. And FWIW, I'm sure the reason people see more ugly beats on Stars is that the level of play is significantly worse. I played an mtt last night, did well for the first few hours, but I don't mull over the hands I won KK>AK, QQ>TT, etc, I only mull over the AK<AQ.

[Actuary 3]

And FWIW, I'm sure the reason people see more ugly beats on Stars is that the level of play is significantly worse.

worse than where?if in those 50k hands, they follow a reasonable distribution of "bad beats"; but the percent of tourney ousting hands is incredibly high level of bad beats, will that matter? And that would take a lot of data.again, i see no motive. I'm with you. I'm not even sure we can define what randome is in this context. We'd have to examine only the live hands at showdown and determine how often the percentages held? We can also look at hands and cards for simple randomness. Man, that could be difficult.for grins, what if the RNG randomly selected a Rank, and then if there are any of those still "in deck", it randomly selects a suit. Or visa versa. That would increas the rate at which a card hits more than it would randomly. lol... I should read the RNG write up stars has

[timwakefield 68]

worse than where?

Good point. Perhaps worse than FT? Certainly not worse than Party was...

[Wandigo 1]

This is probably the nicest and most thoughtful response I've gotten from pokerstars. After sending them a few hhs and requesting information about the RNG, I received this:

Hello Ken,Thank you for your email and concerns.I notice that this is not your first complaint and we have sent youdetails on our shuffle in the past, so I will not go into detail regardingthe way cards are dealt unless you want me to re-send the previous email.I honestly understand your frustration. As a fellow Poker player I havesuffered numerous sessions where I can't make the best hand stand up.Does any of this sound familiar? You have top pair with a big kicker, theboard pairs on the lowest card and you lose to trips. You flop a set andlose to a runner-runner flush or straight. You flop a flush draw + openended straight draw and miss the turn and river completely. Believe me, Ihave been there many times.You should be aware that any hand you have in poker, whether it be AA withan A on the board, or a made flush, set, or straight, does not win 100% ofthe time. In fact, there are almost no situations in poker that are a 100%lock. There are always miracle cards, and if the odds of someone drawingout are even only 15 or 20%, then you can expect it to happen one in fiveor six times.Bad beats happen and they are part of the game both Online and Live, onlythe other day I was watching the Poker SuperStars 2 Tournament on TV.Once the tournament was down to heads up the two players left were MikeCaro and Johnny Chan, if you follow poker you will know these are two bigtime Pro Poker Players.If I recall correctly Mike Caro had a big chip lead and put Johnny Chanall-in three times. In each of these three hands Mike Caro was favoriteto win the hand, however three times in a row Johnny Chan hit some greatboards and ended up winning this match.All you can do is get your money in the as the huge favorite and hope youwin the pot, every single Poker Player will receive bad beats. All thepro's will normally be eliminated from tournaments due to bad beats but aslong as they played the hand correctly they are happy. Of course it hurtseveryone when they lose as a big favorite, however you need to brush itoff, let it go over your head and continue to play great poker!Here's another live bad beat that you may have seen at the 2005 WSOP FinalTable.Andrew Black vs Steve Dannenmann'sWith five players remaining and the blinds at $100,00-$200,000 ($30,000ante), Tex Barch ($11.5 million) raised to $600,000, Steve Dannenmann ($9million) called from the button, and Andrew Black ($12.5 million) calledfrom the big blind.Ts 9h (Andrew Black's Hand) 42.8% underdogVsAs 6s (Steve Dannenmann's Hand) 57.2% favorite to winFlop 9s 6c 5c (Black is now 76.2% favorite to win)On the flop Black bet $1 million, Barch folded (his hand was not known)Dannenmann thought for awhile before saying, "All-in", and then Blackthought awhile longer before saying, "I call".Turn 3c (It's looking good for black now 88.6% favorite to win)The Turn was good for Black, Dannenmann had just five outs to avoidelimination.River Ac (Black a huge favorite when the money went in loses the hand)Dannanmann hits two pair on the river to win.Board 9s 6c 5c 3c AcNote: Dannenmann tried to buy the pot by pushing all-in on the flop,figuring Black would lay down a draw or anything less than two pair. Blackhad a tough decision to make with top pair and a weak kicker, butcorrectly read that Dannenmann was bluffing with a worse hand. Evenagainst over-cards or a flush draw, Black was still vulnerable, and hecould have waited for a better situation to risk that many chips.This was obviously a bad beat for Black and a great result for Dannenmann.If Dannenmann would have lost this hand he would have been eliminated in5th place for $1.7 million, however he ended up coming 2nd for $4.2million, which anyone would agree is a huge difference in prize money.I will go a step further and offer to send you the hand histories of allthe hands you have ever played on our site. You can conduct a statisticalanalysis on these hands and we would be happy to review your findings withyou.Feel free to take me up on this offer. By offering such hand historiesand the tools available on the Internet it would be impossible to get awaywith rigging the deck without players being able to prove it.Should you decide to take your business elsewhere, however, I certainlywish you the best of luck. We certainly don't wish anything else upon ourcustomers.Regards,AdamPokerStars Support Team

Do you think he actually typed all this up or has this pre-typed to send to players who question the RNG or complain about their site?

[Waffles2003 1]

i received this email too, just the top part of it without the black hand...funny.

[mrdannyg 274]

This is probably the nicest and most thoughtful response I've gotten from pokerstars. After sending them a few hhs and requesting information about the RNG, I received this:Do you think he actually typed all this up or has this pre-typed to send to players who question the RNG or complain about their site?

i don't know, but seems like it wouldn't be particularly difficult for a program to sort all the HH's and find certain situations like "how often did I win when it was all-in preflop as a 4:1 favourite" or something.every time i've seen anyone dissect hand histories, they've come to the conclusion that there is almost certainly no problems with the RNG. sorry i haven't saved any links, but none of them surprised me, so i didn't bother.