Swift_Psycho 1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeontologyORhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConsequentialismTake your pick.I'm just going to ignore the obvious questions/criticisms that come to mind in the scenario you gave and just give you the benefit of the doubt that there is no other issue than the issue of cheat or don't cheat.For the integrity of the game, most of the people on this forum will agree (at least outwardly) to a no cheating under any circumstances rule (deontology). If you were actually put into this situation (again ignoring obvious questions/criticisms like just how dumb your friend is in general for getting into this mess), that may or may not hold firm. Questions like if protecting the integrity of the game is worth your friend's son's life come into play.Again, to the OP, the scenario you gave is really idiotic. As far as the actual ethics involved when I manage to get past that, you are asking a bunch of people on a poker forum to give you the "right" answer to a question that our world's greatest thinkers for centuries haven't been able to agree on. Good luck with that. Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 yes dumping to someone your sharing a bankroll with is a good strategy, it about making money and no it is not cheating.You sir, are an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 It's ok, if you need the money. Just like it's ok to rob a 7-11 if your rent is due. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 It's ok, if you need the money. Just like it's ok to rob a 7-11 if your rent is due.most of the 7-11's funnel profits to terrorist organizations anyway.you make a good point. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Can ChuckSty create a rock that he can't pick up?hmmmmmmmm Is Collusion Or Chip Dumping Ever Okay? I'll take questions that can't be answered for $2000, Alex. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 ****ing cheating scumbag. Let the kid die.Anyway, only sort of kidding. Listen, could someone clear up this misconception of a lack of health insurance? If you have the money and are willing to spend it on a health insurance package, I'm sure there are carriers out there who would be happy to take your money and sell you a package. Legitimate carriers. If this is not the case, please say why. If you can get a health package, why has dipshit not got one to help out his family? ****ing tool. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Health Insurance is expensivethe lack of it, I recall is the number 1 or 2 cause of bankruptcies Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Health Insurance is expensivethe lack of it, I recall is the number 1 or 2 cause of bankruptciesActually, it is not the lack of health insurance that is the number 1 ( and it is number 1, not 2) but rather the large amount, and it is increasing, that is not covered under your current policy. Almost all policies have caps now as to how much they will cover and just about any family will be forced into bankruptcy if they exceed the cap. Also there are a lot of newer treatments that are not covered due to the fact that they are too new, so the insured must pay out of pocket if they wish to receive the treatment. This is seen as only getting worse over the next 50 years as insurance companies continue to try to find a way to maintain profitability in an increasingly litigious society. There are some estimates that by 2050, 1 in 2 adults will have been forced into bakruptcy at least once due to health bills. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Actually, it is not the lack of health insurance that is the number 1 ( and it is number 1, not 2) but rather the large amount, and it is increasing, that is not covered under your current policy.ty for the clarificationBut are there really that many cases of people exceeding internal caps or total policy limits, compared to just those that have no insurance at all who have a major expense ? Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Actually, it is not the lack of health insurance that is the number 1 ( and it is number 1, not 2) but rather the large amount, and it is increasing, that is not covered under your current policy. Almost all policies have caps now as to how much they will cover and just about any family will be forced into bankruptcy if they exceed the cap. Also there are a lot of newer treatments that are not covered due to the fact that they are too new, so the insured must pay out of pocket if they wish to receive the treatment. This is seen as only getting worse over the next 50 years as insurance companies continue to try to find a way to maintain profitability in an increasingly litigious society. There are some estimates that by 2050, 1 in 2 adults will have been forced into bakruptcy at least once due to health bills.You Yankees are screwed... Maybe, if you're nice, Canada will offer you 11th province status. Link to post Share on other sites
Entrepeneur 0 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 most of the 7-11's funnel profits to terrorist organizations anyway.you make a good point.Circle K's are not funding terrorists, so it would be wrong to rob a Circle K.7-11s are in the 'acceptable' realm of robberies..But only if you really, really need the money.and Circle K's used to sell the cinamon toothpicks that I bought when I was a kid (back in the 80s)..Stick to 7-11s... Link to post Share on other sites
tennis_balls 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 some arrogant prig was in a $3 sitngo at Stars tonight and he was giving some donk **** about his horrible stats. so I looked up the prig's stats and he was stuck for $2500.of course I was then obligated to point out to the prig that his stats (negative ROI) were hardly sterling. He immediately boasted that he was playing on his wife's account and that he'd recently lost two $1,000 heads up matches on her account. When I told him I thought Stars security would find this information interesting, he claimed that he was within the rules to play her account.....discuss Link to post Share on other sites
jooka 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Here's the scenario: You and your best friend since childhood are both professional poker players. You both have bankrolls of about $200,000 each. The two of you enter a $2500 NL Tournament at [insert casino of your choice here], where first prize is $800,000.With some luck and skill, the two of you make the final table (you are the chip leader) During the break before play starts, your friend comes to you and says he has something important to tell you. He tells you his 6 year old son is in the hospital and needs an expensive operation otherwise he'll die. The operation is going to cost $725,000 and since he is a professional poker player, he has no health insurance. He asks that at various points at the FT that you dump chips to him until eventually he has all your chips, which might give him a higher chance of winning the tournament and the money for his son's operation. Would you do it?Does the situation make collusion okay, so long as no one else knows?he sucks at life in general if his bankroll is 200k and doesnt set up the needs for his family before hand. Link to post Share on other sites
monkey11 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 only stupid people would not have health insurance. so, who really cares? one less is a good thing. living in a country that charges that much to save a kid is also pretty stupid. i don't see the need for any discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
Lee2k 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 stupid question Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 And what was the point of this? Can we vote to take away his new topic button? Link to post Share on other sites
pokertvstar 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I won't bother looking back, just wondering how this topic made it to 3 pages? Link to post Share on other sites
pokerfriendly 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 stupid questionbump Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Is Collusion Or Chip Dumping Ever Okay?ummmmm...NO.Next question. Link to post Share on other sites
thehidden 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Also, any self respecting father would pay the 8k a year for health insurance so that his kid would be protected fromthis kind of stuff..This is a shitty topic.TTSALASDI Link to post Share on other sites
mcpickl 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 read the OP onlyunhappy i opened the threadsigh Link to post Share on other sites
mx957 0 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 No = +1 here. Next. Link to post Share on other sites
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