Stylin_Fish 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 when a movie keeps pushing its opening back its a pretty good indication its going to be a mess - check out town and country with warren beattyI feel bad for Daniel but if its really this bad then his constantly saying it would be the best poker game out there by a mile really hurts his credibility with me - unless he can't legally say he was disappointed in it. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt - but how can you release a game that tells you to go all in with 2 6? Don't judge to quickly, you have to take into consideration table image and uh... chip stacks and um................screw it, I can't do it. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 yeah i can see - your opponents look weak steal the blinds butthis is what you've been waiting for stick it in? Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 yeah i can see - your opponents look weak steal the blinds butthis is what you've been waiting for stick it in?Maybe there was a hot blonde at the virtual table winking at you and drunk. So when DN was suggesting in the game, "this is what you've been waiting for, stick it in" - He really meant, well I think you get it Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Jerry doesn't know... Link to post Share on other sites
167-169 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 After all the hype and the one year delay. This is really disappointing and I'm sure DN feels a little embarrassed. He let his name be on a vdeo game that has failed. His poker buddies supported it and I'm sure he's reading this but there's not alot he can say. The product is mediocre at best.Lots of people endorse inferior products but I have to question some of DN's judgement at times. (Or his business advisor) The WSOP prize that took so long to deliver chaos, plugging PokerMountain, and even the million dollar buy in on HSP. (That will get me alot flames LOL) Seriously, I think he regretted buying in for that much. (He might not admit it) It was not neccessary, other pro's probably laughed at him. It's an ego thing with a little insecurity. What I mean by that is he has made every penny on his own grinding it out. He wasn't rich in his early twenties, and people like that do foolish things when they've made a decent amount of money and want to show that they belong with the elite. Many vietnamese people love to buy and wear flashy ugly gold jewelry when it's just too much. They never had that opportunity before so they over do it but don't know that it's just plain ugly and little class.Wow, what am I writing? Wierd, just kept on typing and typing. How many people did I upset?It is a discussion forum right? Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 After all the hype and the one year delay. This is really disappointing and I'm sure DN feels a little embarrassed. He let his name be on a vdeo game that has failed. His poker buddies supported it and I'm sure he's reading this but there's not alot he can say. The product is mediocre at best.Lots of people endorse inferior products but I have to question some of DN's judgement at times. (Or his business advisor) The WSOP prize that took so long to deliver chaos, plugging PokerMountain, and even the million dollar buy in on HSP. (That will get me alot flames LOL) Seriously, I think he regretted buying in for that much. (He might not admit it) It was not neccessary, other pro's probably laughed at him. It's an ego thing with a little insecurity. What I mean by that is he has made every penny on his own grinding it out. He wasn't rich in his early twenties, and people like that do foolish things when they've made a decent amount of money and want to show that they belong with the elite. Many vietnamese people love to buy and wear flashy ugly gold jewelry when it's just too much. They never had that opportunity before so they over do it but don't know that it's just plain ugly and little class.Wow, what am I writing? Wierd, just kept on typing and typing. How many people did I upset?It is a discussion forum right?It's funny that you are defending yourself pre-flames. lol Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 the million dollar buy in at HSP he just seems like he has a high risk no limit cash strategy - it probably works but he's gonna have huge losing days that others won't and it could get serious with a string of ugly luck Link to post Share on other sites
167-169 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 the million dollar buy in at HSP he just seems like he has a high risk no limit cash strategy - it probably works but he's gonna have huge losing days that others won't and it could get serious with a string of ugly luckPerhaps, but the game was an unrestricted buy in and it's the first time they ever did anything like that. He easily could've re-bought any time he wanted if he wanted to have the table covered. It was a bit for the TV and like I said, "an ego thing."He even wrote that he thought others would also buy in for a million. (check past blogs) I'm sure in HSP 2 he probably bought in for around 200-300k. (Don't know for sure)I like DN alot and think he's very smart but he just needs to be a bit more "polished" and I'm sure he will be the most successful poker player on or off the felt. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 There is really no difference between him buying in for 1 mil or for 1-200K. As he got bad beated for 100-150K at a time he still would've repeatedly gone for the rebuy and it would have changed nothing. Buying in for 1mil just ensured having everyone covered. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 The best part"I know you've been waiting for this...stick it in."Writer, "I had 62 off"Hahah, utterly brilliant.I call... Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 My comments having never played the game...First of all, AIs in general train over time. I dont know details on the poki ai, but I would assume if you take one out of the box, play in a really bizarre fashion for a little bit, you could train it to behave oddly. Over a longer period of time, and agains someone who is actually trying to play poker, I would bet the thing behaves much more normally. The reviewer was obviously trying to find a hole in it. So what?Next, I felt the reviewer wasn't complaining about tight preflop play so much as he was complaining that the play wasn't appropriate to the stack depths. Deep stack poker is looser preflop. I give him MORE cred for knowing a bit about poker, not less. The average gamer wouldn't really have a clue about any of these concepts.As for the "bad" advice from DN during game play...ummm...I got nothing here. Wait. Maybe this goes back to abusing the AI out of the box rather than training it properly. I dont know. I'm reaching here.Finally, this is a bad start for sure, but it's one review very early in the product's life. Let's hope it's not as bad as it looks. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'll just say my piece and be done with it.First off, my degree is in computer science. I'm not an expert by any means as I no longer work in the field, but the allure of the degree was to go into game design. That said, I have a lot of experience with both AI and graphics programming in college as well as several friends in industry working for some of the bigger developers (Sony and EA).The state of the industry is pretty poor right now. Games are mostly eye-candy with minimal testing. Betas aren't what they used to be. You used to be able to get several thousand participants willing to test the game. Now betas are treated like "sneak previews" with very few participants interested in reporting bugs or improving the game.It sounds like this is the case with Stacked. It boggles my mind that a lone reviewer would be able to generate results like he mentioned (the pre-flop all-ins). That shows a severe lack of testing.To boot, the concept of a console/PC poker game is a pretty bad one imo. Why would I play a console poker game when I can just as easily sign up for a play money account at one of hundreds of poker sites? Imagine your favorite band comes out with a new CD. Let's say they even release it for free. Concurrently a Yiddish Polka Band quickly releases a cover of that CD and charges $50 for it. What are you going to do? You're going to acquire the free CD of your favorite band.It sucks, and I hate to be an armchair entrepeneur, but at the same time I have tremendous respect for DN and was horrified to see he participated in such a risky venture.Better luck with your next deal DN. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 My comments having never played the game...First of all, AIs in general train over time. I dont know details on the poki ai, but I would assume if you take one out of the box, play in a really bizarre fashion for a little bit, you could train it to behave oddly. Over a longer period of time, and agains someone who is actually trying to play poker, I would bet the thing behaves much more normally. The reviewer was obviously trying to find a hole in it. So what?Next, I felt the reviewer wasn't complaining about tight preflop play so much as he was complaining that the play wasn't appropriate to the stack depths. Deep stack poker is looser preflop. I give him MORE cred for knowing a bit about poker, not less. The average gamer wouldn't really have a clue about any of these concepts.As for the "bad" advice from DN during game play...ummm...I got nothing here. Wait. Maybe this goes back to abusing the AI out of the box rather than training it properly. I dont know. I'm reaching here.Finally, this is a bad start for sure, but it's one review very early in the product's life. Let's hope it's not as bad as it looks.You said what I would have said almost exactly. (but didn't feel like typing it)Well done. Link to post Share on other sites
SavageHenry 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 IGN is pretty hit or miss with their reviews. They have ripped on games i loved and gave great scores to games i thought were trash. That being said i can't really see the fun in a poker video game where all you do is play poker. Now if it was Sim Poker Player or something where i could buy a huge house, buy a fleet of cars, hire a team of immigrant gardeners, and impress virtual women with my virtual winnings that would be a little more fun. Of course the possibility would have to exist where i could a virtual downfall..you know, blow millions, snorting coke, betting on the Trailblazers to beat the spread, playing online poker against top online limit pros then ..be approached by a "friend" to pick up some drugs from an undercover cop and spend 6 months in jail...Now that would be a good game ! Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 After all the hype and the one year delay. This is really disappointing and I'm sure DN feels a little embarrassed. He let his name be on a vdeo game that has failed. His poker buddies supported it and I'm sure he's reading this but there's not alot he can say. The product is mediocre at best.Lots of people endorse inferior products but I have to question some of DN's judgement at times. (Or his business advisor) The WSOP prize that took so long to deliver chaos, plugging PokerMountain, and even the million dollar buy in on HSP. (That will get me alot flames LOL) Seriously, I think he regretted buying in for that much. (He might not admit it) It was not neccessary, other pro's probably laughed at him. It's an ego thing with a little insecurity. What I mean by that is he has made every penny on his own grinding it out. He wasn't rich in his early twenties, and people like that do foolish things when they've made a decent amount of money and want to show that they belong with the elite. Many vietnamese people love to buy and wear flashy ugly gold jewelry when it's just too much. They never had that opportunity before so they over do it but don't know that it's just plain ugly and little class.Wow, what am I writing? Wierd, just kept on typing and typing. How many people did I upset?It is a discussion forum right?I dont know the inner workings of DN's mind but the whole Vietnamese/Asian comment is partly accurate. Most of the Asian's at my local casino wear the ugliest cheapest quality gold encrusted jewelery, tons of crap jewelery, etc. This generalization was the best part of the post haha. IGN is pretty hit or miss with their reviews. They have ripped on games i loved and gave great scores to games i thought were trash. That being said i can't really see the fun in a poker video game where all you do is play poker. Now if it was Sim Poker Player or something where i could buy a huge house, buy a fleet of cars, hire a team of immigrant gardeners, and impress virtual women with my virtual winnings that would be a little more fun. Of course the possibility would have to exist where i could a virtual downfall..you know, blow millions, snorting coke, betting on the Trailblazers to beat the spread, playing online poker against top online limit pros then ..be approached by a "friend" to pick up some drugs from an undercover cop and spend 6 months in jail...Now that would be a good game !That's a great avatar, Chong Li from Bloodsport, solid movie. Link to post Share on other sites
KsItLoLnEeR 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Honestly, IGN has given horrible reviews to games that I thought were awesome so one bad review from them does not make a difference.i dont care about anything other than good AI which is what this game was suposse to be all about. it could be text graphics for all i care.with that said, if the AI is not great, than this whole thing was a sham.And also, I dont care if its for play money. The drawback for playing for play money is no one takes it serious. If this game has the AI of an elite poker player then playing against it will help your game. I would rather play against the best poker players in the world for free than the donkey fest I play against day in and day out for money.However, I find it very hard to believe that they are able to have a computer play like a great player.We shall see. I will probably pick it up today. Link to post Share on other sites
eYank 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 the review also doesnt mention online play, there are supposedly going to be online tournaments where u can play against DN and other pros. You try and play DN without risking 30 grand. Also, you can supposedly win trips to live tournaments and stuff. lets just wait and see Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Honestly, IGN has given horrible reviews to games that I thought were awesome so one bad review from them does not make a difference.i dont care about anything other than good AI which is what this game was suposse to be all about. it could be text graphics for all i care.with that said, if the AI is not great, than this whole thing was a sham.And also, I dont care if its for play money. The drawback for playing for play money is no one takes it serious. If this game has the AI of an elite poker player then playing against it will help your game. I would rather play against the best poker players in the world for free than the donkey fest I play against day in and day out for money.However, I find it very hard to believe that they are able to have a computer play like a great player.We shall see. I will probably pick it up today.IGN giving bad reviews is irrelevant. Even though I agree that at least half the time they have no idea what they are talking about, if even half the stuff they are saying is true it would imply that there are serious issues with the game mechanics. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I just picked up my copy 10 minutes ago during lunch. I will try and put up a review after playing it this weekend. the review also doesnt mention online play, there are supposedly going to be online tournaments where u can play against DN and other pros. You try and play DN without risking 30 grand. Also, you can supposedly win trips to live tournaments and stuff. lets just wait and seeJust opened the box and there is a little inert about stacked.mtv.com. I guess they are having tourneys where you can win a chance to go play with DN in Vegas. No Tournies set up yet from what I can see.Also there is a nice section in the back of the manual with odds. Heh. I need this cause I suck at odds. Link to post Share on other sites
The Jackal 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 A complete contrast to the IGN review:http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/l...reviewid=614745 Link to post Share on other sites
Pyre5545 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 A complete contrast to the IGN review:http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/l...reviewid=614745 Too bad the review date is 09/08/2005 Link to post Share on other sites
LadyGrey 6 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I did the beta test and noticed all the same problems he highlighted; the constant all ins, unsuitable advice etc etc. I guess they didn't follow up on the beta trials effectively. Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Ouchhttp://pc.ign.com/articles/710/710993p1.html Dear Daniel - I did not write this review. Please do not take anything out on me, either in the forums or on the tables. Thanks,Ouch-8s Link to post Share on other sites
Longshanks 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 One great piece of advice Daniel gave me was, "Protect your hand! Put in a decent sized bet." The problem was that I had just been dealt 9-2 off-suit. Thanks for the great advice. The very next hand I get the same message with 3-7 off-suit. My favorite of all though was when I was told, "I know you've been waiting for this. Stick it all in."I had 6-2 off-suit.gg daniel Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 after all i pay you with your money - you know from that last time when I stick it in you Link to post Share on other sites
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