Sopranos Season 6

[Jadaki 0]

Yea, the author of the Star Ledger interview/article speculated that if there was a movie it would be set in Newark in the 60s and be all about Tony's father and Uncle Junior and their rise in the family. It would obviously include a deeper look into T's upbringing and the relationship's in his childhood household.

Umm... not interested. Might watch it on HBO but sure as hell wouldn't pay for it in a theater.I followed the Sopranos because I found Tony interesting, his dad and uncle I could give two craps about.

[H_Factor73 2]

For your enjoyment:

[Jadaki 0]

For your enjoyment:

BRILLIANT!

[jeff_536 3]

I thought that movie/ series kinda stunk. Liked the T and A though. Historically speaking then the appropriate phrase would be, "Sic semper tyrannis". "Thus always to tyrants" or "Thus ever it be with tyrants". John Wilkes booth said this Abraham Lincoln before he whacked him and it has been accredited to Brutus when he stabbed Caesar. If Tony was anything he WASN'T a tyrant. If you go by the show Carmela tells his sister, "Tony isn't a vindictive man...". Tony wasn't a vindictive person. He was a guy who just kind of, though circumstance, ended up as head of the family. Constantly through ought the show he would lament about wanting to have just been a Capo. With old Man Demio stuck in prison for life and cancer taking his best friends life(Jackie Aprile ) circumstance moved him towards his position as Boss. If the last few shows showed anything it showed how the Vindictive Phil was ultimately foiled by the smart thinking reason over passion Tony. Don't get me wrong, Tony could go off like he did against Cocco after that crap with Meadow. However he would do anything protect her. Remember when Johny Sack cried at his daughter's wedding. All the made guys where ashamed of the "womanly" behavior. Tony said, "when it comes to daughters all bets are off". So that American history X reaction was to be expected. Back on point.Paulie would NEVER sell out Tony.

Are you serious about the bolded point? You missed the intent of that completely. It's all about Carmela not really understanding the dark side of her own husband. It was ironic. Wow.

[grocery_mony 8]

Something to support the "Tony is dead theory." In addition to the flashback at the end of the second to last episode of Tony and Bobby discussing getting whacked, a clue can be found in the filmmaking of the final scene itself. Everytime without exception when the bell or chime on the front door rings there is a brief shot of tony looking up then a cut away to his perspective. In the final seconds when Meadow comes in the front door and the bell rings Tony looks up and when the shot would ussually switch to his perspective is when everything goes black. I know it is a reach but thats what Chase wanted, everyone overanalysing every detail.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN1-3rX9XKk

[Jerry_Lundegaard 0]

I know I'm a little late to the game here, but I just caught up with the last season, and just watched the ending.Brilliant, on many levels. 1) However they ended it, it would have dissapointed the fans. Too much anticipation, too much build up, impossible expectations. Seinfeld had the exact same problem. Think of all the crap they got for how that ended. The choose your own adventure ending is the best way.2)If the lure of the $$ becomes too strong, what could be a better set up for a movie? Start that movie the exact second the show cut to black, and let the dollars roll in. 3) Its gimmicky. but what other ending could have sparked so much controverse and talk? They even talked about it on the Jim Rome show, for God's sake. What better feeling as a creative person to have so many people debating your work.Genius. End in a controversial way, leave them guessing, and set youself up to make a movie and buckets of cash if you so choose. All that said -- Tony got whacked, is my opinion.

[fleung22 1]

yeah, there's a strong case for Tony being dead. simple deductive reasoning pretty much leads to that conclusion without seeing the rest of the scene.the benefit of the blackout is that if there was money elsewhere they could just continue and make-up a reason for him to be alive. maybe it was just the onion ring full of ghb or something.

[Rodney21a 1]

I know I'm a little late to the game here, but I just caught up with the last season, and just watched the ending.Brilliant, on many levels. 1) However they ended it, it would have dissapointed the fans. Too much anticipation, too much build up, impossible expectations. Seinfeld had the exact same problem. Think of all the crap they got for how that ended. The choose your own adventure ending is the best way.2)If the lure of the $$ becomes too strong, what could be a better set up for a movie? Start that movie the exact second the show cut to black, and let the dollars roll in. 3) Its gimmicky. but what other ending could have sparked so much controverse and talk? They even talked about it on the Jim Rome show, for God's sake. What better feeling as a creative person to have so many people debating your work.Genius. End in a controversial way, leave them guessing, and set youself up to make a movie and buckets of cash if you so choose. All that said -- Tony got whacked, is my opinion.

As the Fonz would say.EXACTAMUDO!!!!!Well, I think the all time best ending for a TV show is still THE YOUNG ONES. The whole show they constantly knocked Cliff Richards. So they all die driving through a Cliff Richards billboard over a CLIFF. Perfect for that show. Consequently. This ending is perfect for this show.Granted. One is a British comedy and the other is a Wise guys psychological, spiritual, and professional demise. Apples and Oranges. Cats and Dogs. They both could end no other way.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

An interesting question.For the ending of the finale, who's face did you see last?When I watched it live, I saw Meadow last, then cut to black.But when I rewatched it on HBO ONDEMAND, I saw Tony last.Why is this, and what does it mean?

[Rodney21a 1]

An interesting question.For the ending of the finale, who's face did you see last?When I watched it live, I saw Meadow last, then cut to black.But when I rewatched it on HBO ONDEMAND, I saw Tony last.Why is this, and what does it mean?

There was footage shot after Meadow enters the Diner. That has been established by the unknown actor who played"guy in members only jacket". There was also 20-30 minutes of extra footage shot in addition to the multiple endings. It was all a red Herring. If you pay attention to the sit down Tony has with its obvious that scene was heavily edited so multiple lines of dialog must have been shot all implying different things. From what I have read the west coast feed showed Meadows face and the East coast feed showed Meadow's back and then Tony looking up. No official explanation has been given so the only logical conclusion is they were playing two different cuts that night.

[H_Factor73 2]

An interesting question.For the ending of the finale, who's face did you see last?When I watched it live, I saw Meadow last, then cut to black.But when I rewatched it on HBO ONDEMAND, I saw Tony last.Why is this, and what does it mean?

When the bell rang at the door every time it showed Tony then Tony's perspective.In the last sequence:The bell rings at the door. You see Tony. Then .... ?!?

[barrec 0]

I know I'm a little late to the game here, but I just caught up with the last season, and just watched the ending.Brilliant, on many levels. 1) However they ended it, it would have dissapointed the fans. Too much anticipation, too much build up, impossible expectations. Seinfeld had the exact same problem. Think of all the crap they got for how that ended. The choose your own adventure ending is the best way.2)If the lure of the $$ becomes too strong, what could be a better set up for a movie? Start that movie the exact second the show cut to black, and let the dollars roll in. 3) Its gimmicky. but what other ending could have sparked so much controverse and talk? They even talked about it on the Jim Rome show, for God's sake. What better feeling as a creative person to have so many people debating your work.Genius. End in a controversial way, leave them guessing, and set youself up to make a movie and buckets of cash if you so choose. All that said -- Tony got whacked, is my opinion.

qft.i like the comparison to seinfeld. i was definately dissapointed with the seinfeld ending when i first watched it, but coming back to it after some time, i really grew to appreciate it. i wonder if that is what will happen to the fans who were dissapointed with the sopranos' ending...after it all comes out on dvd, and they can see all of season 6 in one or two nights, much of the anticipation will be taken out and people can appreciate it for what's there.

[Rodney21a 1]

Are you serious about the bolded point? You missed the intent of that completely. It's all about Carmela not really understanding the dark side of her own husband. It was ironic. Wow.

Tony's Uncle tried to kill him TWICE and he never sought revenge. He was Tony's surrogate father and held him in esteem. I don't recall one vindictive act that Tony made. The murder of Ralph Cifaretto, but the root of that conflict was Ralph killing a pregnant stripper. Tony had his first panic attack when he saw his father murder the Pork store owner. Violence wasn't Tony's nature. It was his business. The show was how people become what they do. Tony's children were the embodiment of his best and worst. Meadow embodied everything good about Tony and Jr embodied all his faults. Don't forget that Tony went to Seton Hall University just as Meadow went to Columbia. Tony's lazy make it easy nature( like Jr) lead to his being expelled or flunked out just like his son. His only alternative was to fall back into his father's business. If you look at the pathos Tony displayed over having to Whack Big Pu4$$y and the mater of fact way he dispatch Christopher its illustrates this transformation. I still think at the end of the show Tony has redeeming and noble qualities and is heading towards a person like Phil Leotardo.

[Flushgarden 0]

I know I'm really late but I just saw the ending on DVD. I really don't think they could have done a better job. My personal opinion is he doesn't get killed...when they're cutting to different people in the diner trying, to make you think that any one of them could be the one to kill him, they're just showing the kind of fear that Tony has to live with because of the choices he has made with his life. Choices he has made in order to provide financial comfort for his family. He has sacrificed himself, and he will always have to be weary of every stranger in every diner, and will always have to look over his shoulder, but he did it to create a better life for his children. In this episode Anthony comes out of his depression and seems to find a purpose in life again, and they really reinforce how Meadow has a great future ahead of her. Anthony does not have to grow up to be a gangster and Meadow making her own way in life outside of that world...therefor for Tony, he has been successful. He has accomplished his goal.

[jeff_536 3]

I know I'm really late but I just saw the ending on DVD. I really don't think they could have done a better job. My personal opinion is he doesn't get killed...when they're cutting to different people in the diner trying, to make you think that any one of them could be the one to kill him, they're just showing the kind of fear that Tony has to live with because of the choices he has made with his life. Choices he has made in order to provide financial comfort for his family. He has sacrificed himself, and he will always have to be weary of every stranger in every diner, and will always have to look over his shoulder, but he did it to create a better life for his children. In this episode Anthony comes out of his depression and seems to find a purpose in life again, and they really reinforce how Meadow has a great future ahead of her. Anthony does not have to grow up to be a gangster and Meadow making her own way in life outside of that world...therefor for Tony, he has been successful. He has accomplished his goal.

In a recent article..i think it was in TV Guide, but it was online...David Chase basically confirmed Tony got whacked.can't find the damn link, but someone smarter than me will have it.

[brvheart 1,753]

I'm only on season 4. So I'm not reading this thread yet.

 

I'm pretty surprised at how long Ralph lasted. I'm glad they finally killed him. Joey Pants plays a super great annoying guy.

[brvheart 1,753]

Oh man, I'm so sad that AJ didn't actually kill himself. He is literally the worst.

[brvheart 1,753]

Holy Shit.

R.I.P Chrissy.

What an amazing episode, everything I love about the show.

 

Such a cheesy product placement scene.

 

*close up on The Departed soundtrack

 

Chris: I love The Departed soundtrack. It's fantastic.

 

Tony: Yeah, I have it.

 

Meaningless banter

 

Chris: This is a great song... turns it up.

 

 

EYE ROLL Sopranos. Weak.

[Essay21 2,385]

It was a different time then.

[brvheart 1,753]

Ok. I'm done.

 

It was good. None of the "surprises" were really surprising. The directing was average to poor. The writing was average at best, but generally below average. The acting was superior.

 

Conclusion: Suited is viewing the series through rose-colored glasses.

 

It won't even sniff a TV best-of list from me, unless we did something like a top 25 or 50.

[king_tanner 84]

Ok. I'm done.

 

It was good. None of the "surprises" were really surprising. The directing was average to poor. The writing was average at best, but generally below average. The acting was superior.

 

Conclusion: Suited is viewing the series through rose-colored glasses.

 

It won't even sniff a TV best-of list from me, unless we did something like a top 25 or 50.

 

I blew through the series recently and actually felt the same way. Based on the hype I was expecting my mind to be blown at least once or twice per season. They also had a lot of writing flaws. Certain storylines were completely abandoned or they were lazily concluded. I can't give the series higher than a B based on not great writing.

 

However I do think the acting was superb and I won't argue with all the nominations they received

 

AJ is one of the worst characters in the history of television

[brvheart 1,753]

Man I hated AJ. Every single second he was on air was a drain for the show. There wasn't a single redeeming moment with him, unless he would have actually killed himself. IF the stupid writers had let him die, then there is an outside chance I wouldn't have remembered his character with anything but contempt. That was a terrible decision, but it would have made them work harder with writing the rest of the series, and they probably wouldn't have been able to handle it. So in hindsight, because of the ineptitude of the writers, it might have been better that they didn't do the "right" thing.