pokerstars software creates hand before its dealt.

[Mojo_Yugen 0]

Tritz,OK. I have read all the pages in this post and I have a couple of questions. Forgive me if these have been asked but I don’t think they have.I’m going to ignore the screen shots of the play money table. Anything could be going on there, they could have been beta testing some new software that was acting screwy or whatever.The first screen shot (tournament 11202141) where you have 9cJs dealt to you:Do you, or can you get, the hand history from Poker Stars? I’d be interested in seeing if that shows anything strange. Post it (just that hand) if you can. Were you having connection problems (that you noticed) during the tournament? Particularly that hand. Speaking as someone who programs for a living and has seen more than my share of “impossible” things happen in programs, I can believe that there is some bug in Poker Stars that does send out board cards early under some very unusual circumstances. Maybe it only happens when you’ve disconnected/reconnected several times within a few seconds and you are the next to act. Maybe some other weird combination. The point is that it’s VERY hard for Poker Stars to test things like this. Even harder for them to come up with all the different combinations of circumstances to test.IF Poker Stars is sending out board cards incorrectly then it’s easy to believe that Poker Pal could pick it up and display it in someway. Especially since it’s designed to work with games other than Hold’em. If it’s parsing the hand history file to show what you got dealt, a bug in that parser could easily display in the way that screen shot shows. I’m not saying this is happening or not. I’m just saying that it’s plausible. If it is happening the next question is can it be exploited on a regular basis? Obviously this depends on the exact flaw but you can’t discount it entirely. Maybe you would have to create a program that would mess with your internet connection (disconnecting/reconnecting in a particular manner) and then build a program to display the hand history file. Even then maybe you’d only get a board card “early” every 10 hands or something. But that would be a pretty big edge if you could manage it.Just my 2 cents. Hell, this is a long post, it’s an entire nickel.

[IceNine 0]

I can't believe how many people personally attack this guy for pointing out what could be a vulnerability in a site's software. Why is it so hard to believe this is possible? Coming from a world where I've seen all kinds of software vulnerabilities - things you would never even consider to be issues - I'd think this deserves more investigation and less insults.I like PS and all, but its entirely possible that they and others handle hands in this manner. There may be other bugs too. I know it makes ME want to take a close look at all my poker clients. If there is a flaw, its not like you can blame the site. It happens. Software has bugs. You fix them and move on. Anyone who promises 100% security is lying. Thats just the nature of the beast.BTW, just because there may be a flaw in the software, it doesn't mean "Site X is rigged." It just means that, like so many other programs out there, it may have slightly flawed software that can be fixed. Folks, it wouldn't be the first bit of bugged software. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

[buchkoba 0]

What I suspect is that you think you were really onto something, but have since been proved wrong. I know it's hard to admit mistakes, but it's time to face the music that your big discovery isn't really everything you thought it was.J in Colo.

I have discovered all I need to know never to play pokerstars again, having the software create and complete the hand before the hole cards are dealt, leave open the doorway for exactly what happened to me. It's your hard earned money you are risking to play cards with online, it would be a shame of someone who is a little smarter than you with a computer was able to take that money with no poker skills at all, wouldn't it?

The same doorway that would let you see other people's whole cards with your ninja computer skills? Wouldn't that be an even bigger advantage? Why aren't you just as concerned about that?*punches self for posting in this thread*

[Tritz 1]

Also if your in such a fixed income why are you playing poker I like poker too I would love to go pro but I not going to be sitting there betting my last couple bucks on it and try to depend on it on my sole job ok maybe if I won a couple big tournaments I would make it my sole job but till then I would have back up plans and if I where close to being broke I would just leave it for a while and start playing when I got some extra money.

You really have no idea what my financial situation is. I tell people I go broke, and thats when I lose my poker bankroll.. However, I do not live in a box.

[Tritz 1]

BTW, good first post, noob. You are now and forever marked as a 'tard'

Wow, this post, along with the previous one, in which you called someone a "retard", certainly lends credibility to you as a rational and intelligent individual.

You must not have read the thread I was replying too.

[Tritz 1]

What I suspect is that you think you were really onto something, but have since been proved wrong. I know it's hard to admit mistakes, but it's time to face the music that your big discovery isn't really everything you thought it was.J in Colo.

I have discovered all I need to know never to play pokerstars again, having the software create and complete the hand before the hole cards are dealt, leave open the doorway for exactly what happened to me. It's your hard earned money you are risking to play cards with online, it would be a shame of someone who is a little smarter than you with a computer was able to take that money with no poker skills at all, wouldn't it?

The same doorway that would let you see other people's whole cards with your ninja computer skills? Wouldn't that be an even bigger advantage? Why aren't you just as concerned about that?*punches self for posting in this thread*

No, because other people hole cards are sent only to their own PC, until they are reveal, unlike the community cards that are sent to everyones PC....and you know what, maybe I am concerned that the ability to find them is out there, www.cheat-at-poker.comsw

[tiger47 0]

Has anyone ordered from http://www.cheat-at-poker.com/ and tried it?

[Mojo_Yugen 0]

Has anyone ordered from http://www.cheat-at-poker.com/ and tried it?

I’m sure they have. Here are millions of gullible people out there willing to pony up $60.I like these lines from their disclaimer:“While we try to include accurate information on the site, we're not promising you it's accurate. In fact, we're not promising you anything except fun and entertainment.”“There is however NO guarantee that you will earn any money using our information, products, techniques and ideas in these materials. Nowhere on our site should any information to be interpreted as a promise or guarantee of earnings.”So on their main page they "guarantee" it will make you $25,000 in 30 days but on their disclaimer page says they don't guarentee you will make money off it?Yea, that sounds legit.However if anyone has a copy of their e-book I’d love to see a copy of it. I’ll send you a nickel.

[poguemahone68 0]

I can't believe how many people personally attack this guy for pointing out what could be a vulnerability in a site's software. Why is it so hard to believe this is possible? Coming from a world where I've seen all kinds of software vulnerabilities - things you would never even consider to be issues - I'd think this deserves more investigation and less insults.I like PS and all, but its entirely possible that they and others handle hands in this manner. There may be other bugs too. I know it makes ME want to take a close look at all my poker clients. If there is a flaw, its not like you can blame the site. It happens. Software has bugs. You fix them and move on. Anyone who promises 100% security is lying. Thats just the nature of the beast.BTW, just because there may be a flaw in the software, it doesn't mean "Site X is rigged." It just means that, like so many other programs out there, it may have slightly flawed software that can be fixed. Folks, it wouldn't be the first bit of bugged software. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Dude, you need to stop eating carrots immediately!

[buchkoba 0]

No, because other people hole cards are sent only to their own PC, until they are reveal, unlike the community cards that are sent to everyones PC.

Yes but that information is still "out there up for grabs" as you would put it. The whole cards are obviously "somewhere on the server waiting for the next code ninja to hack their site."I still find it funny one of your examples just happened to be you hitting quads.

[IceNine 0]

I can't believe how many people personally attack this guy for pointing out what could be a vulnerability in a site's software. Why is it so hard to believe this is possible? Coming from a world where I've seen all kinds of software vulnerabilities - things you would never even consider to be issues - I'd think this deserves more investigation and less insults.I like PS and all, but its entirely possible that they and others handle hands in this manner. There may be other bugs too. I know it makes ME want to take a close look at all my poker clients. If there is a flaw, its not like you can blame the site. It happens. Software has bugs. You fix them and move on. Anyone who promises 100% security is lying. Thats just the nature of the beast.BTW, just because there may be a flaw in the software, it doesn't mean "Site X is rigged." It just means that, like so many other programs out there, it may have slightly flawed software that can be fixed. Folks, it wouldn't be the first bit of bugged software. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Dude, you need to stop eating carrots immediately!

I don't get it...

[yergan 0]

(haven't read all 25 pages so forgive me if already said)But I am getting the feeling that this is heavily disguised spam for pokerpal. All it takes is a few people to buy the software in the hope the same thing will happen for them and it was all worth it for this guy.

[SapphireTiger 0]

(haven't read all 25 pages so forgive me if already said)But I am getting the feeling that this is heavily disguised spam for pokerpal. All it takes is a few people to buy the software in the hope the same thing will happen for them and it was all worth it for this guy.

posts that start with that sentence always provide new and insightful information.

[Loismustdie 0]

I was gone for 3 whole days with my wife, ignoring computers, holed up at a 5 star resort in Arizona ( Thank you UB ) and this thread is still going on? Unbelievable----- look, Tritz, no one is able to hack Pokerstars, the flop is not sent out to computers prebet, and yes Pokerstars does not use a continuous shuffle on each street, just like most sites. P L E A S E P L E A S E P L E A S E L E T T H I S B. S. D I E !!!! Without a doubt you now take my buddys place as the biggest retard on the planet.

[Loismustdie 0]

We all know online poker is not rigged. But now we also know that poker stars creates and completes the hand before it is delt. Why is that a big deal? Because it can lead to the possibility of people and or a glitch revealing secure information about a hand before it is suppose to. . . Believe it or not' date=' those are the facts.[/quote']

No. it can't, and everybody had told you that. Shut up already.

[Loismustdie 0]

This is probably the most intelligent thread I've read on here. It seems like more of a discussion than to see who can get in the best zing. But, yes, the issue here is the bigger picture, not whether he accurately predicted the cards. It is certainly possible a glitch occured and sent him the card infor thru poker pal. And, yes, if this happened, Poker Stars needs to address this and tell us why it won't happen again because when info. is stored somewhere, no matter how secure, it is attainable. Don't tell me about how secure your servers are storing the information, tell me why or why not his occured and if it did, what steps were taken to correct this. I don't play on Poker Stars anyways, but if I did I wouldn't play another game until I received an adequate response. They've read this thread, there's no doubt about that. They need to directly repond to this. Call it a fraud, do whatever, but do something.

There is no issue because he is lying- bored 17 year olds do that.

[Demiparadigm 0]

I am bumping this thread because I read all 26 pages, and feel someone else should be forced to also.Loismustdie, congratulations on being the biggest fucktarddoucheclown on the whole thread.Sorry to single you out, but your responses are typical of a large number of retards who, despite adding nothing to the thread or the forum, continue to pad their post counts through utter trash.We have established facts, specifically that PokerStars does NOT use a continuous shuffle, yet you still uphold they do. You epitomize the corrollary to the online poker is rigged idiots.We have many first hand accounts of others (not the OP) who have witnessed cards being shown before action is complete on a specific betting round.There is enough fact and credibility for this to be accepted.This is not an issue of "Is PokerStarz HaxOred?!?!11!"It is a question of whether, and how often the packets sent to individual computers are premature, possibly due to some connectivity glitch.If this is possible to exploit, there is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

[MLMarkland 0]

Bump

[Tritz 1]

We all know online poker is not rigged. But now we also know that poker stars creates and completes the hand before it is delt. Why is that a big deal? Because it can lead to the possibility of people and or a glitch revealing secure information about a hand before it is suppose to. . . Believe it or not' date=' those are the facts.[/quote']

No. it can't' date=' and everybody had told you that. Shut up already.[/quote']Yes. It can.

[poguemahone68 0]

I can't believe how many people personally attack this guy for pointing out what could be a vulnerability in a site's software. Why is it so hard to believe this is possible? Coming from a world where I've seen all kinds of software vulnerabilities - things you would never even consider to be issues - I'd think this deserves more investigation and less insults.I like PS and all, but its entirely possible that they and others handle hands in this manner. There may be other bugs too. I know it makes ME want to take a close look at all my poker clients. If there is a flaw, its not like you can blame the site. It happens. Software has bugs. You fix them and move on. Anyone who promises 100% security is lying. Thats just the nature of the beast.BTW, just because there may be a flaw in the software, it doesn't mean "Site X is rigged." It just means that, like so many other programs out there, it may have slightly flawed software that can be fixed. Folks, it wouldn't be the first bit of bugged software. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Dude, you need to stop eating carrots immediately!

I don't get it...

Have you looked at your avatar?I repeat, chill on the carrots.

[Loismustdie 0]

I am bumping this thread because I read all 26 pages, and feel someone else should be forced to also.Loismustdie, congratulations on being the biggest fucktarddoucheclown on the whole thread.Sorry to single you out, but your responses are typical of a large number of retards who, despite adding nothing to the thread or the forum, continue to pad their post counts through utter trash.We have established facts, specifically that PokerStars does NOT use a continuous shuffle, yet you still uphold they do. You epitomize the corrollary to the online poker is rigged idiots.We have many first hand accounts of others (not the OP) who have witnessed cards being shown before action is complete on a specific betting round.There is enough fact and credibility for this to be accepted.This is not an issue of "Is PokerStarz HaxOred?!?!11!"It is a question of whether, and how often the packets sent to individual computers are premature, possibly due to some connectivity glitch.If this is possible to exploit, there is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

Hey dumb a ss of the highest order- read my posts- I specifically said that Pokerstars does not use a continuous shuffle. :shock: Really, do you even read? Go away, this life is to complicated for you. See, you take letters, add them together in various sequences to make these things called words which in turn make sentences which in turn make different points-- except for yours, oddly enough you untardable reject. There are no facts and credibility for Tritz is now shot to s hit. The only thing established is that Tritz probably should stay away from Pokerstars beacause he will get laughed out of everygame, and who needs that kind of grief? We have also established that you are, once again, a Dumb a ss of the highest order, a title that I generally only give to most of my In- laws and Willie Aames.

[Loismustdie 0]

We all know online poker is not rigged. But now we also know that poker stars creates and completes the hand before it is delt. Why is that a big deal? Because it can lead to the possibility of people and or a glitch revealing secure information about a hand before it is suppose to. . . Believe it or not' date=' those are the facts.[/quote']

No. it can't' date=' and everybody had told you that. Shut up already.[/quote']Yes. It can.

How's it feel to bang your head aginst a wall?

[Loismustdie 0]

I am bumping this thread because I read all 26 pages, and feel someone else should be forced to also.Loismustdie, congratulations on being the biggest fucktarddoucheclown on the whole thread.Sorry to single you out, but your responses are typical of a large number of retards who, despite adding nothing to the thread or the forum, continue to pad their post counts through utter trash.We have established facts, specifically that PokerStars does NOT use a continuous shuffle, yet you still uphold they do. You epitomize the corrollary to the online poker is rigged idiots.We have many first hand accounts of others (not the OP) who have witnessed cards being shown before action is complete on a specific betting round.There is enough fact and credibility for this to be accepted.This is not an issue of "Is PokerStarz HaxOred?!?!11!"It is a question of whether, and how often the packets sent to individual computers are premature, possibly due to some connectivity glitch.If this is possible to exploit, there is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

Btw, CHECK OUT MY TOURNEY WINS POSTS, B ITCH. Over 2 grand in the last nine days- wtf have you done?

[SplashMaster 0]

I guess I have to come out of the woodwork and speak my mind on this.first of all, let me say, obviously, I dont know the op at all so anything I say I dont mean to sound rude to him.couple of things though......1. the lee jones post-------no shot this was lee jones. do you think the manager of pokerstars would embaress himself and challenge people to call cards for money?come on, someone know that a man with that position would not go about this like that.2. pokerpal post------ very simply, no chance this was a rep from pokerpal.3. time discrepencies----- 2 hours to 20 minutes4. it was working, but now since I have an audience, it has stopped!!!!!everyone has told lies, i have carried out lies for a lot longer than 23 pages of writing. to say the op would not defend it this long is crazy. I have carried lies for years. tell me you have not, somewhere along the line.all the pieces to this puzzle add up that its a lie. thats just my opinion. again, to the op, I dont care either way, so dont take this to heart.I just think your lying. but who cares.later

you didnt need to come out of the woodwork to tell us you were stupid. we already knew that. And that was most definitely lee jones. you know very little about anything.

I see your still at it no girlfriend or life yet.keep plugging thoughone day soon, untill than take out your sexual frustrations on the forum. what a sap

[justblaze 0]

I guess I have to come out of the woodwork and speak my mind on this.first of all, let me say, obviously, I dont know the op at all so anything I say I dont mean to sound rude to him.couple of things though......1. the lee jones post-------no shot this was lee jones. do you think the manager of pokerstars would embaress himself and challenge people to call cards for money?come on, someone know that a man with that position would not go about this like that.2. pokerpal post------ very simply, no chance this was a rep from pokerpal.3. time discrepencies----- 2 hours to 20 minutes4. it was working, but now since I have an audience, it has stopped!!!!!everyone has told lies, i have carried out lies for a lot longer than 23 pages of writing. to say the op would not defend it this long is crazy. I have carried lies for years. tell me you have not, somewhere along the line.all the pieces to this puzzle add up that its a lie. thats just my opinion. again, to the op, I dont care either way, so dont take this to heart.I just think your lying. but who cares.later

you didnt need to come out of the woodwork to tell us you were stupid. we already knew that. And that was most definitely lee jones. you know very little about anything.

I see your still at it no girlfriend or life yet.keep plugging thoughone day soon, untill than take out your sexual frustrations on the forum. what a sap

what, you think you can sneak a comment in at 6am while im not looking? get back to dealing the cards, pal. you still broke?