FileError404 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I'm lucky. My brother lives in Germany (home of the free) and I can just transfer my money to him on PS and he can transfer it to me on neteller. Looks like a niche market... Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 All fascinating solutions you are all coming up with. Too bad they're all pointless long term. This blows. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrjones_76 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 All fascinating solutions you are all coming up with. Too bad they're all pointless long term. This blows.I agree Link to post Share on other sites
benfoldsflop 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 ok, so how the funk do i get my $ off of pokerstars? Link to post Share on other sites
ianb459 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 nexum financial works just fine....that is instant e checks of Fulltilt i know Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I don't play online seriously anyway so this won't affect me all that much but I am wondering...Clearly there are sites (Full Tilt, Doyles Room, UB, AP) that are making a stand and are willing to fight to keep US customers. With all the money these sites are making, why the hell wouldn't they form their own "neteller"type of business and handle the transfers for their customers themselves?Hell, Wal-Mart is forming their own credit card processing company so they don't have to pay the 3% chargeeverytime one of their customers uses their Visa or Mastercard, I don't understand why Full Tilt couldn't do the same type of thing.Obv. this would take time to set up but in the long run could be a solution.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
ianb459 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 This WORKShttp://www.fulltiltpoker.com/payInstantEChecks.php Link to post Share on other sites
ianb459 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Central Coin works also... Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 The problem for me isnt depositing $ onto sites, its transferring $ from site to site. Neteller was sooo convenient for this purpose, and hopefully another online bank steps up.write letters to poker sites asking them to all get together and do site-to-site transfers without a bank as the middleman. you'd supply the site to transfer to, the nick on that sote, and maybe the real last name on the account for security purposes. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 My brother lives in Germany (home of the free) This is so ironic. Link to post Share on other sites
Mikeh77 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 This is so ironic.Especially since we (and the Russians) freed them. Link to post Share on other sites
Guru1069 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 How are US customers getting their winnings back in there account ? My money has been going the other way but in case I decide to keep my game in gear and win something I'd like to know. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 as ive said before, im willing to be a middle man from site to neteller at no charge. basically ship me the money on stars/ft, i withdraw it to neteller, then do a peer to peer on neteller. numerous people here will vouch for my honesty. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I heard the bank that handles netellers EFT's through ACH is no longer doing business with neteller... and that people with deposits from january 5th are still "pending" on their neteller accounts. Mine from the 11th still is...Crap. That's scary. I had a Pokerstars withdrawal to Neteller on the 16th and submitted the EFT through Neteller to my bank on the 17th. When I did it, Neteller said it would take 2 days. Others here say now Neteller says it will be 2 weeks. I was going to live with that, but why hasn't your's gone through from the 11th ? That concerns me. Should we be thinking about cancelling the EFT and transferring our money to RAB for transfer back to a poker site ? At this point, my money seems like it would be safer on Fulltilt. What does Neteller say is their plan for getting a new bank to do the EFT's ? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 as ive said before, im willing to be a middle man from site to neteller at no charge. basically ship me the money on stars/ft, i withdraw it to neteller, then do a peer to peer on neteller. numerous people here will vouch for my honesty.Yeah, he begs a bunch of us for mobney on aim every night.Well, he does give it back usually.:PJ/k. He's good ****. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Yeah, he begs a bunch of us for mobney on aim every night.Well, he does give it back usually.:PJ/k. He's good ****.llolllllllllll i dont beg for money.. i may have to you once when i was surpremely intoxicated, now drop it youve posted it 15 times lol Link to post Share on other sites
exec771 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I have used both epassporte and click2pay..With click2pay your limit increases with every week worth of successful transactions and cleared check like neteller. With epassporte I load it using my visa nd its damn expensive at its 5$ for every 100 u transfer. They have an offline method now where for $10 u can deposit any amt of cash into an epassporte accnt by going to ur local bank, never tried it tho,,, Link to post Share on other sites
casinobarry 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I think it's beter to be safe than sorry and cashing out now! Link to post Share on other sites
Erasa 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Is it possible/legal to create a bank account in another country; get a VISA/MasterCard/Diners Club card associated with the account and start using that account? I guess the question is; does PokerStars/VISA use your PokerStar personal identity or does it use the country of origin of the VISA card to determine whether it will let the transaction go through?This option may not be available for everybody but I have family in Europe, so creating a account - even with a c/o address in Europe - should be relatively easy for me. The question is just whether I will be able to use it on PokerStars (or any other major site)?RegardsErasaP.S. Apologies if this has already been discussed .... Link to post Share on other sites
Scanner313 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I'm not sure how illegal this would be, but it is a solution. Since US neteller customers can still keep their accounts, and use them as long as it isn't for gambling; Could we :Transfer (via pokerstars, FTP , etc ) to a non-us friend (middle man), have them cashout into thier neteller account, and then transfer from thier neteller account to ours?Edit: Also, how illegal would this be?You could absolutely do this. It's called money laundering. You know, the governments whole supposed reason for arresting the guys who started Neteller. Of course, you'd only be doing it to hide the fact that you were gambling on-line. Neteller shouldn't care as long as none of their transactions are technically illegal. However, they would be sponsoring money laundering, just like they have been accused of, and they would really not have any way to know it's happening or any way to stop it.So kids, we can see how fair it is for the US government to arrest these guys and charge them with aiding in money laundering. What a ****ing joke! Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 To the people who think the easy money will dry up: I think the answer is 'partially'. When I first started, if the poker sites had said "Mail a check to WinAtPoker, 123 Street, Overseas", I would've mailed a check and contributed to the poker economy. Instead I went with Neteller because it looked easier. Snail mail and paper checks work in both directions, still, I believe.Then, after I lost the money, would I have kept sending more paper checks? I don't know, probably. So yeah, this will definitely slow down the money, but I'm not sure it will eliminated it. If you are making a living off this, I guess it could have a big effect, in that you might have to move down a few levels to find games as fishy as before. Link to post Share on other sites
Erasa 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 You could absolutely do this. It's called money laundering. You know, the governments whole supposed reason for arresting the guys who started Neteller. Of course, you'd only be doing it to hide the fact that you were gambling on-line. Neteller shouldn't care as long as none of their transactions are technically illegal. However, they would be sponsoring money laundering, just like they have been accused of, and they would really not have any way to know it's happening or any way to stop it.So kids, we can see how fair it is for the US government to arrest these guys and charge them with aiding in money laundering. What a ****ing joke!I am certainly not a lawyer so I could be all wet on this, but I am not sure it would constitute money laundering. My understanding is that money laundering happens when you transfer money to be involved in an illegal activity on either end. However it is not illegal for me as an American citizen to play poker on-line in the US; it is illegal for an American financial bank institution to facilitate the money transfer - I don't see how they could deny a foreign financial institution to do something that is legal in that country. If that is the only thing they arrested the Neteller guys for doing I don't believe they stand a chance of prosecuting them. And I guess at this point, the two ex-executives are only charged (if even formally that) but not indicted yet, so if they win the case maybe they could create a nice precedent.I apologize if I am being all dense in this; again I don't have a legal background. And while I don't mind doing something creative, I am certainly not interested in doing something that is downright illegal.RegardsErasaEdit: This may be slightly off topic as I wasn't necessarily thinking about using Neteller at all; just create a regular account abroad; get an associated VISA card and use that to fund my PokerStars account. Or even more simple; what if a family member of mine abroad decided to put some money in my PokerStars account as a "bday present"; is that illegal - who would they prosecute? Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I was reading the FAQ and for "Can I withdrawal my money?" it kept saying **** about the neteller card. Can US people still withdrawal via EFT to their bank accounts?Hello Wayne,Due to recent events, effective immediately, NETeller is no longer processing transactions for U.S. players, including cashouts.As a result, we have cancelled your pending NETeller cashout and placed the funds back in your PokerStars account.We offer the following alternative cashout method:I just tried to cashout last night and this e-mail was in my inbox this morning. Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 If you have money IN your neteller account, you can cash it out using your card. I'm in the process of emptying my neteller account through my card. Link to post Share on other sites
snooptoddd 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Seems pretty obvious to me now that our government has poker in its sights and isn't giving up until it is gone.I'm not sure about that ... all arrests have been in sports books. The FBI agent that was investigating NETeller references sports bets, not poker. I don't think the government wants to go there, because I don't think they're certain that they'd win.Granted, they love that they all get lumped together as 'Internet gambling' but if someone took this to court on a poker level, they might be able to win.Cripes, if you can play virtual pool online for money with World Winner, I don't know why you can't play poker. But I guess I'm just reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites
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