Azwethinkweiz 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - John Juanda (maybe even hands down)X-ray reading ability - Antonio EsfandiariTable Image - Johnny ChanOverall Instincts - Stu UngarPostflop Awareness - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Adaptation to any situation - Daniel NegreanuClutch performance - Daniel Negreanu Link to post Share on other sites
nickforgot 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 The Ultimate Poker Player:Suckout ability: Danny NguyenDone Deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Napa_Don 688 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - Phil IveyX-ray reading ability - Phil IveyTable Image - Phil IveyOverall Instincts - Phil IveyPostflop Awareness - Phil IveyAdaptation to any situation -Phil IveyClutch performance - Phil Ivey FYP, j/s Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - John Juanda (maybe even hands down)X-ray reading ability - Antonio EsfandiariTable Image - Johnny ChanOverall Instincts - Stu UngarPostflop Awareness - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Adaptation to any situation - Phil IveyClutch performance - Stu Ungara couple FYPs Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Can I please get an explanation of how a poker player can be "clutch?" and what makes certain players more "clutch" than others??????I submit that there is no such thing as "clutch" in poker.... Link to post Share on other sites
Napa_Don 688 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Can I please get an explanation of how a poker player can be "clutch?" and what makes certain players more "clutch" than others??????I submit that there is no such thing as "clutch" in poker....QFT Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 QFTPlayers who show that when they make the final table they do everything they can to win. And usually do. IE Daniel Negreanu Link to post Share on other sites
ncperrotta069 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - John Juanda (maybe even hands down)X-ray reading ability - Antonio EsfandiariTable Image - Johnny ChanOverall Instincts - Stu UngarPostflop Awareness - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Adaptation to any situation - Daniel NegreanuClutch performance - Daniel Negreanui dunno how you dont have doyle or ivey up here Link to post Share on other sites
Azwethinkweiz 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Author Share Posted May 6, 2006 Clutch is an undescribable entity. You think Michael Jordan practiced anymore then the next kid? It's something buried within, that when the situation is there, success is the only out.Please show me someone that has a better tournament stat sheet over the last 10 years. That's what clutch is. so yes a poker player can be clutch, and Daniel is CLUTCH! This is just an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong. But Daniel doesnt finish 10th, 8th, 4th, etc., very often. If he's in a position to win, I believe he's won more then anyone else(over the same timespan) How many times do you see Daniel blow a gasket? I cant name a single time. He can be heads-up for a title and a 4-1 chip dog, and he still adapts himself to win.And I dont have Ivey or Brunson up there because I dont think they're great at any one particular attribute. Just all around strength in all aspects. For instance, I think Ivey is really weak in clutch situation. He's like the Buffalo Bills of the poker world. He has won, he's young, he will win many more, but he'll have just as many 2nds, 3rds. Not a bad thing, it's just attribute for attribute I dont feel Ivey does something over and beyond anybody else. Link to post Share on other sites
nell789 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Can I please get an explanation of how a poker player can be "clutch?" and what makes certain players more "clutch" than others??????I submit that there is no such thing as "clutch" in poker....There definitely is such a thing as "clutch" in poker. It's just playing your best in high pressure situations. for example, Steve Lazaar (sp) would be the oppostie of "clutch" due to his final table blowup at the 2005 WSOP ME. Link to post Share on other sites
ROGUE06 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - John Juanda (maybe even hands down)X-ray reading ability - Antonio EsfandiariTable Image - Johnny ChanOverall Instincts - Stu UngarPostflop Awareness - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Adaptation to any situation - Daniel NegreanuClutch performance - Daniel NegreanuNo Ivey or Brunson? Shouldn't Esfandiari be listed for chip tricks instead? Link to post Share on other sites
Azwethinkweiz 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Author Share Posted May 6, 2006 It's my opinion, the ammunition fires both ways. Take the time to add yours. If you think Ivey or Brunson is better at any single attribute, let's hear it. Be productive. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 X-ray reading ability - Chris MoneymakerTable Image - Freddy DeebOverall Instincts - Robert VarkonyiTilt control - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Aggressiveness - Dan HarringtonBankroll Management - Mike MatusowTable Banter - Huck SeedIntimidation Factor - Steve DannenmanNow that would be a fearsome player. Link to post Share on other sites
bombsaway 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Clutch is an undescribable entity. You think Michael Jordan practiced anymore then the next kid? It's something buried within, that when the situation is there, success is the only out.And I dont have Ivey or Brunson up there because I dont think they're great at any one particular attribute. Just all around strength in all aspects. For instance, I think Ivey is really weak in clutch situation. He's like the Buffalo Bills of the poker world. He has won, he's young, he will win many more, but he'll have just as many 2nds, 3rds. Not a bad thing, it's just attribute for attribute I dont feel Ivey does something over and beyond anybody else.Are we talking about the same person here? This can't be possible. Man alive,posted for the 90,000th time on FCP <---------- CLUTCHThis is just one play. You're right, Ivey is good at everything, but you are so wrong in arguing that there aren't easily identifiable qualitites that make him (one of) the best. Please go check out the Hendon Mob website for further clarification.EDIT AND FOCUS: I should have put this before the flame.All the ladies love Scotty Nguyen. As such, he has the best table image, hands down. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 X-ray reading ability - Chris MoneymakerTable Image - Freddy DeebOverall Instincts - Robert VarkonyiTilt control - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Aggressiveness - Dan HarringtonBankroll Management - Mike MatusowTable Banter - Huck SeedIntimidation Factor - Steve DannenmanNow that would be a fearsome player. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 No Ivey or Brunson? Shouldn't Esfandiari be listed for chip tricks instead?gotta give that one to Jesus Link to post Share on other sites
lordofelt 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Any sports fan has heard numerous things like this before. For example, the ultimate basketball player, Magic Johnsons awareness, Michael Jordans cutthroat clutch mentality, Larry Birds touch, etc. etc.But relating that to poker, what would the cyborg card runner shape up like?Preflop Awareness - John Juanda (maybe even hands down)X-ray reading ability - Antonio EsfandiariTable Image - Johnny ChanOverall Instincts - Stu UngarPostflop Awareness - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Adaptation to any situation - Daniel NegreanuClutch performance - Daniel NegreanuI like your list in general but would add a few more attributes.Unreadability- Chris FergusonAnti-tilt factor- Phil IveyIntimidating stare- Phil IveyAll out Aggression- this one is key but tough to fill in possibilities include: Ivey, Mizrachi (sp), Brunson Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 X-ray reading ability - Chris MoneymakerTable Image - Freddy DeebOverall Instincts - Robert VarkonyiTilt control - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Aggressiveness - Dan HarringtonBankroll Management - Mike MatusowTable Banter - Huck SeedIntimidation Factor - Steve DannenmanNow that would be a fearsome player.Funny, but I don't think Harrington has ever shown a lack of aggression. Tight yes, passive NO. And I think Freddy Deeb does alright for himself. He is very loose, but I don't think he has a bad "table image".Try Shawn Sheikan for aggressiveness and Aaron Kanter/Tiffany Williamson for Table Image. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 I like your list in general but would add a few more attributes.Unreadability- Chris FergusonAnti-tilt factor- Phil IveyIntimidating stare- Phil IveyAll out Aggression- this one is key but tough to fill in possibilities include: Ivey, Mizrachi (sp), BrunsonAll out aggression has to be Gus Hansen:Phil Hellmuth - "Having two players lose more than $75,000 apiece at any point during a $400-$800 game normally would be unthinkable. But then you have to factor in the 'Gus effect.'" Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Clutch is an undescribable entity. You think Michael Jordan practiced anymore then the next kid?actually yes he did practice more than anyone. gotta give card tricks to Jesusfyp Link to post Share on other sites
rookie2619 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 X-ray reading ability - Chris MoneymakerTable Image - Freddy DeebOverall Instincts - Robert VarkonyiTilt control - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Aggressiveness - Dan HarringtonBankroll Management - Mike MatusowTable Banter - Huck SeedIntimidation Factor - Steve DannenmanNow that would be a fearsome player.Robert Varkony??Please tell me you were kidding. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 X-ray reading ability - Chris MoneymakerTable Image - Freddy DeebOverall Instincts - Robert VarkonyiTilt control - Phil Hellmuth Jr.Aggressiveness - Dan HarringtonBankroll Management - Mike MatusowTable Banter - Huck SeedIntimidation Factor - Steve DannenmanNow that would be a fearsome player. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Robert Varkony??Please tell me you were kidding.I really hope you realize that entire post was a joke. Link to post Share on other sites
Tantalar 0 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Ermm ted forrest, Chip reese, erik siedel, Chau Giang, Tod brunson, and Barry Greenstein come to mind as well Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Raw Talent: X-22Rugged good looks: X-22Shear Genius: X-22Table Image: X-22Sexiest tounge: X-22 Link to post Share on other sites
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