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From ESPN.com/Bluff Mag Chat yesterday:Phil Hellmuth: But not all was so bad, because, when I got to Vegas, I played in the 2,000-4,000 game and won over $250,000. (Talking about cash game he played when they all returned to Vegas from Monte Carlo from Thanksgiving)AJ (IN): Which Ring game do you prefer the most? Are you a better tournament player or cash game?  Phil Hellmuth: Let's just say, I have a bad reputation in the side games, but, until last month, I only had one losing trip in the side games in two years. Monte Carlo counts as a losing trip ... even though I won $50,000 in poker, it still makes the list.  Phil Hellmuth: I'm sick of hearing how bad I am in the side games, but whenever people tell me that, I crush them, so, maybe it gives me an edge. :club:

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you have no clue!! you dont know who is good who is bad!! you read a poker forum and you think you know every poker player in the world and how good they are!come on you dont know censored!
how do you know that we don't know what they know?
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you have no clue!! you dont know who is good who is bad!! you read a poker forum and you think you know every poker player in the world and how good they are!come on you dont know censored!
how do you know that we don't know what they know?
Wow, you're getting into 3rd & 4th level thinking there. I can't hang in this conversation...
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you have no clue!! you dont know who is good who is bad!! you read a poker forum and you think you know every poker player in the world and how good they are!come on you dont know censored!
well, let me just say that Phil admitted he had a bad reputation in the cash games.So OTHER cash game players think he's bad.I've never seen him lose lots of money (just a little) - but have heard from players who have won money from him and lick their chops if he's in sight.Obviously, these two ideas are not totally compatible - but I think most evidence says that Phil Hellmuth is the one known to stretch the truth or live in his own reality.But, maybe JoeJoe knows from some other source. Surely, I should respect a new poster to FCP with such a great argument.Normally, it's not good form to harp on someone's losses - but Phil sets himself up for it.
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Andrew Feldman: Welcome to the ESPN/Bluff Magazine chat of the week! Today we have Phil Hellmuth! Send in those questions now! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Neyle .C: LOL He is late to interviews also. At least he is consistant. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------terry (hoboken): that's ok, let's just chat with the showgirl instead. The ShowGirl: Sorry guys, I don't have any poker secrets for you. I'll give Phil another shout and keep you posted, though. Thanks for your patience. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mat (Scottsdale, AZ): Showgirl whats going on here? The ShowGirl: Hey guys, sorry, it sounds like there was a time zone mix up. Stick with me for a sec. The ShowGirl: Hey, guys, good news. Here we go! Phil Hellmuth: Being late today is 100% my fault! I had it on my calendar that I was going to do this at 4:30, but my mind is in the west coast. I pride myself in business on being on time, but if you only follow poker, you probably expected me to be at least a half hour late, anyway. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Victor (Princeton): Phil! My buddy Chris and I worship you! What are the two things you look for most when you perceive an opponent's strength and you make one of your patented monster laydowns? Phil Hellmuth: Well, I've learned to trust my instincts. Since no one would show me their hand after I made a great laydown, I was starting to wonder, but now, with the TV coverage, I see that they were great. But it's purely instinctual. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Brad (San Francisco, CA): Hey phil, we all know that you're famous (or infamous) for table talk and banter. My question is that how much of that talk or banter is designed to give yourself an edge, whether it be a tell or some sort of information out of your opponent? Is it a skill that has benefitted you for years and how can an amateur player start to use this to his or her advantage? Phil Hellmuth: Let us distinguish between PHil Helmuth and Mike Matusow. I never intentionally try to put someone on tilt -- in other words, I never go after someone. I believe that the poker world would be unbearable if we all had to send off verbal attacks everyday. The only time that I banter is when a guy is beating my brains out, OR when I lose a big pot to a dumb play. That's when I become the poker brat. Now, what you don't know is that 90% of the time, I'm the most pleasant player in the world. It may sound unbelievable, but, ask around. I hope they change the rules of poker so that you can just not attack someone for a random reason. My poker brat-like rants are based on someone playing really badly and beating me AND, those rants have a lot of truth in them. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Joe (West Palm, FL): Do you have any tips specifically for playing online? Phil Hellmuth: Patience, patience, patience! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Brad Wick Dexter, MO: Phil, I see how the tournaments have grown over the past few years when there used to be a few hundred entrants and now up to 6000 in a tournament....What word of advice would you give to an amateur getting into the fastest growing sport today?? Phil Hellmuth: I think it's important to read some of the good books and watch some of the good DVDs out there. That's a good starting point, but, be weary of the books and DVDs that teach you to put in too many moves. You will never hold on to you money for long if you are always making moves. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tim (Columbus, OH): Do you think the new TV coverage that is being provided has effected how people play poker? That is to say, after someone has been knocked out of a tournament, they can go back, and watch people's quirks and how someone bluffs, or plays a certain hand. Does this give too much information to those that research their opponents? Phil Hellmuth: Well, for me, I was the one in 2002 -- there were 30 players saying they shouldn't show the whole cards, and then there was me on the otherside saying they should because it's good for the game. I am proud of this, it's made the game explode. I can't go back now and say that I don't like it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Chris(reading, ma): Is it ARODs fault that card clubs are being shut down in new york? Phil Hellmuth: Of course it's not his fault, and I really cannot comment on anything A-Rod related ... except to say that I hear he is a great guy --------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Lowe Orlando,FL: If there was a player that you play with often, ahd you knew you could dominate him on a regular basis, would you ever let him win just so he would think that he could hang at your level, and then you could continue beating him? Phil Hellmuth: That's not my style, John. I had a friend who intentionally lost a lot of money in a game, just to get invited back, but I'm not a hustler. I come at you with guns blazing every single time I play. Phil Hellmuth: I come at you at full strength baby! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Chas (St. Louis): Hey Phil, any chance you could give a trip to your Camp thru a raffle or something, I would love to attend, but the cost is out of mine and I'm sure others ranges of affordability ... Phil Hellmuth: Well, ultimatebet.com will be running events to get into my camp. It's less than $2,000 bucks this time!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dave Pushell, Lexington, KY: Hey Phil, Do you find that your poker play tends to vary according to the particular mood that you are in? Phil Hellmuth: I'd say yes. ... If there is something big that's going on in your life that's negative, you better avoid poker for awhile. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Joe Navarro (dc): What's the most important thing you learned from me? Phil Hellmuth: Joe Navarro is fantastic and he'll be back at the next Camp Hellmuth. He has some great stuff on tells -- the most important thing I learned from him is people leaning backwards and leaning fowards when the flop hits them. But also, ''the steeple'' when your opponents hands are in a steeple, they have a strong hand. (In L.A., every time I was bluffing, I did the steeple, and everybody kept holding!) In my 2006 calendar at jfturner.com I don't have the steeple in there, rather I have a nice 365 tips. ... But, in the 2007 calendar, the steeple will be one of the tips! Thank you very much Joe! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Randy, Boston MA: Has your style changed in recent years? From watching old tapes like the 96 U.S. Poker Open, it looked like you opened a ton of pots. Have all the amateurs in tournaments now made this style more difficult? Phil Hellmuth: Yes, all the amateurs are now opening all of the pots ... which is fine, I always had a variable style of poker, in any case. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Andy (San Diego): Phil, what % of your game comes down to number crunching (pot and implied odds, etc.) vs. pure instincts? Phil Hellmuth: About 1% of my game comes from math. I mean, I developed my original style from math, but now, I don't have to think about the math anymore. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you read people perfectly, you'll do really well. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Joe (Chicago): Phil, I recently saw you in a one table tourney in Monte Carlo, very cool, was that an all expense paid trip by someone for you guys to play ?? Phil Hellmuth: No Joe -- I lost a real $120,000. Did you like my tux? The only thing about Monte Carlo that really bummed me out (other than winning) was the fact that I missed my turkey dinner!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Eric (Indianapolis): Phil, What is th longest tournament you've ever played in? I played a tourny with about 25 people and it lasted a good 16 hrs and 35 minutes straight. Phil Hellmuth: 25 people played for 16 hours and 35 minutes?? That tournament has a tremendous amount of skill in it. The longest tournament I've ever played in is obviously the World Series of Poker which lasted eight days. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Joe(Chicago): You really lost $120,000 on that trip ??? Loved your Tux, all you guys looked very daper ... You really lost that much, wow ... Phil Hellmuth: Yup, it's true. I lost more than that, though. .... I lost $120,000 plus $25,000 buy-in Monte Carlo Millions Tournament, plus $80,00 in the Chinese Poker game plus 6,000 euros ($7,000) for my hotel room, plus $8,000 to ride back in Larry Flint's G-4 jet and to top it off, I lost $18,000 in the jet ride home! BUT, Matasow lost $100,000 on the jet. Phil Hellmuth: But not all was so bad, because, when I got to Vegas, I played in the 2,000-4,000 game and won over $250,000. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom (Minneapolis): Who won all the money on the plane ride? Thats gotta be tax free over the ocean eh? Phil Hellmuth: Larry's G-4 is awesome! It is black and has 'Hustler' written on it. .. Although there was porno on board, we spent all of our time playing poker on the way home. Phil Hellmuth: We got stopped in Bangor, ME where we had to refuel and stop for customs. They brought four nice pizzas on board for us. Phil Hellmuth: By the way, the $8,000 represented a one-way ticket on the jet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Richard (TUCSON): How do you manage a bank roll your size.... how Do you know when enoughs enough? Phil Hellmuth: I don't have the problem that most people have in poker, I'm lucky enough to be a winning player. You have to have a million dollars in cash to play 2000-4000. Which, I did NOT have in Vegas which was a bad thing. It's a good thing I won! Phil Hellmuth: On part of my Monte Carlo trip I won $50,000 playing poker. ... Too bad I lost $80,000 in Chinese poker. Phil Hellmuth: My life is fairly domesticated when I'm at home. For example, I just picked my wife up from the gym, and now we're going to pick up both of my sons from school. Although the Larry Flint jet and the high stakes poker games and the bar bills of 4,000 euros (I was drinking Dom Perignon Rose) and the VIP sections at the hottest night clubs are a lot of fun, I prefer to spend most of my time with my wife and kids. Phil Hellmuth: Monte Carlo is so expensive, that I saw a bottle of champagne for 11,800 euros on the regular menu. Phil Hellmuth: (and I told myself I was going to buy it the next time I was there .... but it seems just a bit too outrageous ... and I'll probably chicken out.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Richard (TUCSON): What is Chinese poker? Phil Hellmuth: It's pretty much a game of luck where you start with 13 cards. Virtually, all of the high-limit players like to play, but it's almost purely luck, when everybody plays great. YOu make a hand of 5, a 5 and a 3. Your back hand has to be the most powerful, your three up cards can be the least. It's incredibly addictive. You can play perfectly and -- I think I played close to perfect (I know because there are computer programs that teach you how to play perfectly) and still I lost 170 points in Monaco. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------chris (reading, ma): Hi Phil, 3 handed with Chan and Ivey, or a 50 person tourney with amatuers, which one are you more likely to win? Phil Hellmuth: 3-handed with Chan and Ivey . I know what they're doing! I won a lot of my tournaments playing against a lot of great players. Sometimes, the amateurs are so bad that you don't know what the hell they are doing! He's all in with Ace-Jack suited, and you're sitting there with Ace-Queen suited, and you read him as strong, because he looks so strong, and you fold your hand all because he didn't know what he was doing! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Colin (Madison): why don't you sport any UW gear at your tournament appearances? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------matt (milwaukee): phil, love ya man! always good to see fellow cheeseheads come out on top! any chance you coming to wisconsin to play anytime soon? Phil Hellmuth: Although I love the UNiversity of Wisconsin and have donated money to UW, and have spoken before the 1998 Rose Bowl team, AND have done free events for the students last year, I get paid a lot of money to wear the clothing I wear. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Daniel (Dallas TX): Do you have to pay taxes on your poker winnings Phil Hellmuth: Of course I pay taxes. There was a very famous court case in 1985 or so, it made it all the way to the Supreme Court. A player was claiming that it was a game of skill and not chance and that he should play poker. A lot of the judges play poker, I play with some of them in fact, so of course they know it's still, so they passed a ruling that you do have to play taxes. And now I pay them a fee for business. Phil Hellmuth: I just picked up my first son, the youngest. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Preston (Nampa): If you've commited about a third of your chips to the pot and you have two pair with a river to come do you call an all in with a possible flopped flush out there hoping to draw to the full boat? Phil Hellmuth: Well, I'm not a big drawer, I like to be the one moving on with the flush, not the one calling with the two pair. I've done well in my life being the favored hand -- DESPITE what everyone has been seeing on television lately. ... But, I'm not complaing about my luck, trust me! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------AJ (IN): Which Ring game do you prefer the most? Are you a better tournament player or cash game? Phil Hellmuth: Let's just say, I have a bad reputation in the side games, but, until last month, I only had one losing trip in the side games in two years. Monte Carlo counts as a losing trip ... even though I won $50,000 in poker, it still makes the list. Phil Hellmuth: I'm sick of hearing how bad I am in the side games, but whenever people tell me that, I crush them, so, maybe it gives me an edge. Phil Hellmuth: I'm having an awful lot of fun in life right now. But, I coudn't have all that fun if not for my family -- my wife and kids. It's important for me to keep my family number one ... and my wife thinks I'm a goofball, but she loves me (she's laughing at me right now). Phil Hellmuth: Thanks for the questions everybody. Take care.

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From ESPN.com/Bluff Mag Chat yesterday:Phil Hellmuth: I played in the 2,000-4,000 game and won over $250,000. :club:
Would this not be the same as winning $250 playing $2/$4? Seems like an incredible rush, against top players no less. I find that pretty hard to believe.My Opinion Only
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From ESPN.com/Bluff Mag Chat yesterday:Phil Hellmuth: I played in the 2,000-4,000 game and won over $250,000. :club:
Would this not be the same as winning $250 playing $2/$4? Seems like an incredible rush, against top players no less. I find that pretty hard to believe.My Opinion Only
Depending on how long they played it's not that unusual of a run. Obviously it's not a winrate that anyone in the world could keep up, but it's realistic for one marathon session.
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Lets put it this way, I have watched Phil play on UB at varius cash games ranging from 50-100 NL to Triple Draw. In about 20 sessions I have seen him play he may have come out on top in 3 of them. I really dont think he's a winning cash game player. He probably likes to forget about the losing sessions and prefers to focus on the winning ones. so in his eyes, he is a winning player. Whatever works!

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I think he probly is a fairly good cash game player. If he's playing for the stakes that he's mentioned consistently he'd have to be. I know he's filthy rich, but like he said you need 1 mil cash to play 2000-4000...well that's as much as he won when he won the WSOP main event in 89...i think. I wouldn't doubt that he's a great cashgame player...how else would he have built his bankroll prior to his rush of tourney victories in 88-89? I don't think he's as good a cash game player as...say...Howard Lederer is supposed to be, however i think it's safe to say he's a "winning player"

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