tuan le

[solo319 0]

Weve seen him win 2 of the biggest WPT events ever and seen him lose a little in cash games....ya he must be a donkeyAnd by the way until everyone found out that Mike the Mouth is boys w/DN everyone thought he was the biggest donk out there.

[PokerDealer2005 0]

I've seen him numerous times the big game at Bellagio, and from what I can see, he usually has a huge chipstack in front of him and some dealers I know there says he does very well. His brother is one of my favorite players to watch, and I believe he does very well at the 1-200 levels. Nam also just won and made like 3 or 4 final tables at the Fiesto al Lago.

[Chiggleslap 0]

So, basically, he wins a lot and he loses a lot.Big fuckin' surprise.

[Incubus77546 0]

People said the same thing about Gus Hansen too when he won the first WPT. Freddy Deeb straight up said Gus was nothing but a lucky guy who plays very badly and will never be a sucessful poker player. Boy was Mr. Deeb wrong about that one! I dunno people maybe its because I play an agressive/loose style like Tuan but just because you dont play ABC Poker does not make you a donkey.

[HurricaneKyle 0]

Hes good, and aggressive but he need to learn when to put on the breaks if you raise from UTG with AK, and the person to your left, who has played very tight, re-raises you.... you do not, i repeat DO NOT, move allin Tuan made a horrible play that hand and he shouldnt of won

Given Tuan's excessively loose table image, I don't think he played that hand badly.

[QuietConfidence 0]

I see him playing the 300-600 or 400-800 a lot at The Bicycle Casino. Some of the regulars of that game are Johnny Chan and Tim Pham.

[PhilHellmuth 0]

People said the same thing about Gus Hansen too when he won the first WPT. Freddy Deeb straight up said Gus was nothing but a lucky guy who plays very badly and will never be a sucessful poker player. Boy was Mr. Deeb wrong about that one! I dunno people maybe its because I play an agressive/loose style like Tuan but just because you dont play ABC Poker does not make you a donkey.

there is a big gigantic jurassic sized monumental enormous difference between gus and tuan. tell me how often do you see gus get A HUGE AMOUNT of chips into the middle of the pot with clearly the worst hand? rarely.you'll see tuan do it time after time after time.but u know what? if you play a super-aggressive style like he does in NLHE, if u go on just a little mini-run of good luck, that can be enough to go far in that one tournament. most of the time he flames out early but every once in a blue moon he gets lucky enough to go far. he has nine cashes in tournaments in the last 5 years. nine. my left butt cheek has cashed more times in the last 3 weeks. the guy is tiffany williamson with a litte bit more skill.i can easily picture tuan saying "hmm...raise, reraise, reraise.....i call [with AJ]" sounds like tuan to me.

[Tritz 0]

Weve seen him win 2 of the biggest WPT events ever and seen him lose a little in cash games....ya he must be a donkeyAnd by the way until everyone found out that Mike the Mouth is boys w/DN everyone thought he was the biggest donk out there.

That's not true.I for one have always liked Matusow, along with many on this forum.

[alf13 0]

Weve seen him win 2 of the biggest WPT events ever and seen him lose a little in cash games....ya he must be a donkeyAnd by the way until everyone found out that Mike the Mouth is boys w/DN everyone thought he was the biggest donk out there.

That's not true.I for one have always liked Matusow, along with many on this forum.

Count me in....I remember having a debate where I called Matusow a top 10 tourney player and I got called a moron for saying that....of course....it was before this huge run of success that mikey has had.

[HowMuchIsIt 0]

I don't know if anybody read or can find the cardplayer issue with tuan in it where he explained how he won big and then jumped in way over his head and lost a ton which is why he needed backers and he goes on to explain how he hopes to retire early with his two wins if he can practice what he preaches about not playing over his head...looks like we need an intervention with Tuan, Mr Gary Loveman(refer to the avatar biatches!!) would you do the honors?

[Fullhouse7 0]

Alf, thanks for ur previous comments regarding the truth about my post on poker winners. Tuan is hyper-aggressive, and anyone---I MEAN ANYONE---can get a run going SHORT TERM. Over the long haul, this kid will be a railbird. Enuf said!Fullhouse7 :wall:

[iveyfan30 0]

i saw him playing 500/900 omaha with hellmuth...

[Habs Fan 0]

Anyone calling Tuan Le a kid, donkey or anything else negative should take a look at his career thus far;April 18th, 2005 $ 25,000 Main Event (WPT) - No Limit Hold'em ChampionshipThird Annual Five-Star World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 1st $ 2,856,150 November 13th, 2004 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day - WPT2004 World Poker Finals, Mashantucket 1st $ 1,549,588 October 19th, 2004 $ 10,000 The Doyle Brunson North American No Limit Hold'em Poker Championship2004 Festa al Lago III Poker Tournament, Las Vegas 45th $ 12,000 Have YOU won over 4 million playing cards?Future railbird. Right.

[alf13 0]

Anyone calling Tuan Le a kid, donkey or anything else negative should take a look at his career thus far;April 18th, 2005 $ 25,000 Main Event (WPT) - No Limit Hold'em ChampionshipThird Annual Five-Star World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 1st $ 2,856,150 November 13th, 2004 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Final Day - WPT2004 World Poker Finals, Mashantucket 1st $ 1,549,588 October 19th, 2004 $ 10,000 The Doyle Brunson North American No Limit Hold'em Poker Championship2004 Festa al Lago III Poker Tournament, Las Vegas 45th $ 12,000 Have YOU won over 4 million playing cards?Future railbird. Right.

What's the saying? Every Donkey has his day? In this case....two days....REALLY look at his record.....the guy never cashes...he just has these two scores when he got lucky....try this number on for size.......7.....that is the number of times he was allin as an underdog in the WPT championship and he won ALL of those allins.....

[Dogg8808 0]

I still love the clip of him calling Temp's all-in when they were 3 handed.Temp -"You probably got me."Tuan- "Naw. I've just got eight high."Temp-"Huh?"Tuan (Turning over cards) "See. I've got eight high."The close-up on Temp's face is classic. One of the funniest moments on Poker T.V.I'm sure Tuan isn't as big of a donk as he appears. Winning Foxwoods and following it up with WPT Championship speaks to that.That said, I can still think of 10 players I would bet my life on before him.

[Habs Fan 0]

Every donkey may have his DAY, but it takes more than a day to win 2 major championships.Tell you what. If he doesn't win anything for the next 15 years, we can call him a donkey.But just because you saw him make a few bad calls/lucky draws on tv that certainly doesn't make him a donkey.I'm not saying Johnny Chan/Doyle Brunson/Phil Helmuth have strong competition coming for all time bracelets or anything, but come on.

[Fullhouse7 0]

His hyper agressive play will be -EV. 2 major wins does not make a long term professionsal---yes, that is impressive, but in the long run---he's a railbird. Others have seen how he plays now, and will call more often leading to his demise IMHO. We can all speculate, but TIME will be his demise.Fullhouse7 :wall:

[Habs Fan 0]

2 major wins does not make a long term professionsal

Exactly my point. It doesn't make his a long term professional, but it doesn't make him a future railbird, either.I think he has potential.The potential to be a great winner or a great loser.It's just too early to speculate.

[AlphaOmega 0]

I still love the clip of him calling Temp's all-in when they were 3 handed.Temp -"You probably got me."Tuan- "Naw. I've just got eight high."Temp-"Huh?"Tuan (Turning over cards) "See. I've got eight high."The close-up on Temp's face is classic. One of the funniest moments on Poker T.V.I'm sure Tuan isn't as big of a donk as he appears. Winning Foxwoods and following it up with WPT Championship speaks to that.That said, I can still think of 1000000000 players I would bet my life on before him.

FYP

[reedmcneal 0]

What struck me at the Foxwoods tourney was Temp Hutter's play. I didn't see many mistakes out of him the entire night. The only significant one was the heads-up reraise on Tuan when Tuan had two pair. Other than that he played that tournament about as perfectly as you could have. The call with A-high on the last hand was great considering he only had 1/3 of his stack invested.

[reedmcneal 0]

And that reraise of Tuan was very understandable , when you see how Tuan plays

[solo319 0]

His hyper agressive play will be -EV. 2 major wins does not make a long term professionsal---yes, that is impressive, but in the long run---he's a railbird. Others have seen how he plays now, and will call more often leading to his demise IMHO. We can all speculate, but TIME will be his demise.Fullhouse7 :wall:

Actually getting called more often is the reason guys like Gus and Tuan acumulate massive amounts of chips. Because after raising almost every hand they get looked up when they have huge hands,b/c ppl dont give them credit for having a "real" hand. Dont be confused by TV editing they enjoy showing the wild hands, its very entertaining. I think Tuan Le has a very bright future in Tournament poker because he is fearless

[fakeusername2 0]

i smell alot of jealousy and hating on this thread.i decided to read this thread because it had my friends name on it.it is funny how people throw the word donkey around so loosely.ive known tuan personally for many years. although i do not see him much anymore because i dont get to play as much anymore and the only place you'll find him is at a casino. however il be sure to needle him about how respected he is within the poker community next time i see him. lol. i guess everyone is entiltled to their own opinions. However making assumptions about an individual you do not know, based on limited and skewed information, is always dangerous.one thing i believe that may lead to the various opinions of his poker ability might be due to the fact that i have always known tuan to be a true gambler. theres little that tuan won't gamble on if he thinks he can win.what strikes me is how so many of this forums' members feel they have an impeccable knowledge of how the game is to be played successfully. so much so as to call anyone who doesnt fall along the guidelines of their strategy a donkey.especially the so called veterans of this forum. i wonder where most of these members play poker and at what limit. some of them say they have seen tuan loose x amount of money at the bike or commerce. do you play there often? if so what limits? i only ask because i wonder if i have sat across from you at a table once. i doubt it in a way because most of the people i have played probably hardly use the computer let alone visit these sites(mostly old rich people). and they sure wouldnt openly critize other players they play with on a public forum(at least the better players wouldn't). i would go as far as to say that if you are not playing at limits 80-160 or higher, it would be difficult to criticize individuals that do play these limits for a living and ever be taken seriously by those that matter. having said that, i believe this is one of the best pokersites produced by a distinguished professional player(DN). Daniel gives back alot to the poker community in many ways and this is just one form. tuan's style is very unpredictable and dangerous and it is also very deliberate. he relys on this loose image to attain different kinds information from his opponents and act accordingly based on their reactions. it is not a style suited for most people because it requires alot of experience and difficult decision making throughout the entire hand. one thing is for sure, ther is a much higher fluctuation of one's chipstack or bankroll. professional poker players or those that rely solely on poker as a form of income never like to dicuss their level of bankroll openly. this is indicative of any successfull businessman. however tuan does not have any other form of income other than poker, yet he always has a bankroll to play whatever limit he desires. now i find it difficult to comprehend how a donkey would be able to continue at this level without being wealthy from other endeavours. even if he was getting staked for these cash games, who would be the fool to continue to invest large sums of money on a loosing player.im sure everyone here respects daniel and his skills. im sure daniel would not complement someone's skills that he did not believe to be good. after all he claims to keep it real and has criticized many a pro player before. then why does he give tuan credit as well?anyways like i said before everyone is entitled to their opinion. knowing tuan he'll get a kick out of how some people think about his poker ablilty. good or bad. for those that frequent the southern cali poker rooms, i hope to see you their someday at the higher limits. hell i might have been playing with you for years and not know it. but for one reason or another i highly doubt it.sorry for the long post!

[Habs Fan 0]

I agree with all 10,000 words.

[BilliardsBoy 0]

What is "donkish" about Tuan though, and what I think the true definition of donkey means, is that while there is nothing wrong with being aggressive and getting information out of players, it's pretty evident that he doesn't USE that information to alter his actions.He pound pound pounds the table with aggressive play, but can't even avoid a simple situation where the tightest player of a tourney raises him big preflop.No one can ignore his championships, but then again Moneymaker and Varkoni also won the WSOP ME.At least when I watch Gus, there is a distinct rhyme and reason to his plays that is evident to any above average player, and as stated earlier, rarely gets into absolute dog situations like Tuan does.