GT Master 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Make no mistake. In a heads up limit match, Dustin would be a slight favorite over DN. He is a HU high limit specialist and is better than Joe Cassidy. Link to post Share on other sites
Smiggarette 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ill bet a maximum of 5k. minimum of 1k. so one person 5k, or 5 of you 1k each. however you guys want to do it. what we will have to work out is how this will be paid when the match is over. maybe someoen could hold our money? maybe dn himself? or we could go by the honor system... give me some suggestions.You should ask Trebor for help! Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Make no mistake. Â In a heads up limit match, Dustin would be a slight favorite over DN. He is a HU high limit specialist and is better than Joe Cassidy.Good argument. Again I want to ask why Neverwin does not play in the 400/800 at the Bike w/Nakano and friends. Its the biggest game in his area and is limit hold'em. IF he's the best why wouldnt he play in this game? Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Just a guess but if he's killing 300/600 online on a regular basis, why would he go down to a B&M to play fewer hands per hour for only marginally higher stakes? Only ego would take him to a live game, and I'm not saying he doesn't have a sizeable ego but the profit potential would be much less in the live game. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Thats a good argument, but the fact remains there are many games in his area with alot tougher players in his own home town that he has not conquered so it hard to give him credit as a dominant limit hold'em player if all he does is beat up on players in the 1-200 Stars and 3-600 Ub games. Not saying he's not good, but he has along way to go before he starts saying a match against DN would be easy. There are games in is own hometown he wouldnt be the favorite in. Link to post Share on other sites
AceOfSpaiDs 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 what game would/will they be playing if a match happens? I got DN for sure, tho, hate to say it, NW is a pretty good player (from what I've seen online and how he did at the WSOP this year) Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Thats a good argument, but the fact remains there are many games in his area with alot tougher players in his own home town that he has not conquered so it hard to give him credit as a dominant limit hold'em player if all he does is beat up on players in the 1-200 Stars and 3-600 Ub games. Not saying he's not good, but he has along way to go before he starts saying a match against DN would be easy. There are games in is own hometown he wouldnt be the favorite in.If this is "ALL" he does.....he should never stop. God. If you could crush the 300-600 online game why would you ever play anything else? Going to look for stiiffer competition is a horrible idea isnt it??Am I wrong here? Isnt the point of poker to make money? why would he seek out tougher games? If you are crushing those limits online you have to be making thousands a week. He should keep playing those until he can retire.Ego has no place at a poker table....if I could play nine handed with the 8 worst players in the world every night I would. Link to post Share on other sites
DRskateNT 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Children...Why can't people say.. I think Dan's the favorite... but lets see what happens on the felt?My .02 is that since its heads up in a casino I give the edge to Daniel since he presumably is better at reading a player in person.I think it would be best if they played online and in a B&M.... I also think that no matter what happens it takes a lot of matches to prove who is better...Thats why I like the Barry vs DN duel... a true poker test... no specialist BS Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 So this guy plays under neverwin on both Stars and UB right? Please let me know as I would really like to watch him play.Sounds like this guy is one of the best internet players out there, is he?If not then who is, what are their names, and where do they play.Please let me know,I would say Dustin, Erik (From Sweden I think?), D'Agostino (mildly), Ummm there's a bunch more..Erik and Dustin are the two I think have probobly been the most consistent the last few years.As for the rest of the shit in the thread...real annoying to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites
blinky 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 from what i know, which isnt much, theyre both good playersits pointless to argue about it now because the whole point of the heads up matches is to settle this exact despute... so wait for it to happen and well see whos still standing at the endbtw... i wanna see a Neverwin vs. Joe Cassidy match Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now... Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now...not for nothing jayson, i notice you defend neverbeen alot...which in itself is ok, except when his forum bashes ours and dn ..i dont mind if they bashed him for poker related reasons, but the personal stuff i have a problem with...i just dont get it...guys a good player, no doubt about that..just dislike the hate over there for dn,,, my .2 anybody have change? Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now...not for nothing jayson, i notice you defend neverbeen alot...which in itself is ok, except when his forum bashes ours and dn ..i dont mind if they bashed him for poker related reasons, but the personal stuff i have a problem with...i just dont get it...guys a good player, no doubt about that..just dislike the hate over there for dn,,, my .2 anybody have change?It's childish bs.. all of it. I don't take any of it too heart. Its one forum flaming another... Like this hasn't happened before? We flame them back just as hard don't we? Not me personally, I like the NWP forums and Dustin and I had a good laugh about all the flaming going back and forth.Is it making things more interesting? Yeah I guess... Will Daniel and Dustin prove anything? No..Daniel Beats NeverwinFCP: Daniel is the best, We knew it, NWP SucksNWP: It was Variance, 1 Heads-up Doesn't prove anythingNeverwin Beats DanielFCP:It was Variance, 1 Heads-up Doesn't prove anythingNWP:Dustin is the best, We knew it, Daniel SucksDo you get my point? You are wasting your time flaming each other. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now...Did I make a profit argument? Nope. Just disputing NWP's claim that Neverwin is a hotshot. BTW, you ar emaking my argument for me. You just said he plays at Commerce, I don't think they spread 400-800 regularly. Maybe, they do. My point is If he's such a hotshot he should be playing in the highest limit games in L.A. if not for the profit, the live experience. Or he could just sit in the 300-600 UB and stay there the rest of his life. HE just shoudnt claim he can hang w/ DN if he cant beat the Bike 400/800. Honestly, I dont think he could.P.S. Its not about whether Neverwin is a good player. He is, but he and his forum maks some pretty outstanding claims with little to back it up. Its great that he had a good year at the WSOP, but there are many players who have made much more money that NEverwin at poker that wouldnt make the claims that he has made, e.g. Saying match against DN would be easy. Link to post Share on other sites
marchingant 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Maybe you should let him play whatever the hell he wants and shut up already. Holy sh!t. I liked Daniel before I read some of his fans' bullsh!t. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now...Did I make a profit argument? Nope. Just disputing NWP's claim that Neverwin is a hotshot. BTW, you ar emaking my argument for me. You just said he plays at Commerce, I don't think they spread 400-800 regularly. Maybe, they do. My point is If he's such a hotshot he should be playing in the highest limit games in L.A. if not for the profit, the live experience. Or he could just sit in the 300-600 UB and stay there the rest of his life. HE just shoudnt claim he can hang w/ DN if he cant beat the Bike 400/800. Honestly, I dont think he could.I was drunk when he told me, It may have been the Bike, may have been the Commerce... I don't remember. But he certainly can afford these games and he had some funny stories about the games. He's beaten the game, atleast he told me that and well.. based on his internet results I tend to believe him. He's a very very strong SHLHE Player and he deserves the credit. Now Him vs DN? I won't bet either side it's so close it aint worth the bet.Give the guy respect, he deserves it for what he's done. He's 26 years old and one of the best LHE players around in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Batch 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Umm 100/200? 300/600? DN was dominating 400/800 & 1000/2000 before there was a Neverwin. BTW, he's from L.A. how come he doesn't play at the BIke's 400/800 w/ Yosh and Co.? Best limit H'em player in the world right?I think he plays at the commerce... and do we need to go into why 400/800 online is more profitable than 400/800 in person? Come on now...Did I make a profit argument? Nope. Just disputing NWP's claim that Neverwin is a hotshot. BTW, you ar emaking my argument for me. You just said he plays at Commerce, I don't think they spread 400-800 regularly. Maybe, they do. My point is If he's such a hotshot he should be playing in the highest limit games in L.A. if not for the profit, the live experience. Or he could just sit in the 300-600 UB and stay there the rest of his life. HE just shoudnt claim he can hang w/ DN if he cant beat the Bike 400/800. Honestly, I dont think he could.I was drunk when he told me, It may have been the Bike, may have been the Commerce... I don't remember. But he certainly can afford these games and he had some funny stories about the games. He's beaten the game, atleast he told me that and well.. based on his internet results I tend to believe him. Last time I played him heads up I got the better piece of him.He's a very very strong SHLHE Player and he deserves the credit. Now Him vs DN? I won't bet either side it's so close it aint worth the bet.Give the guy respect, he deserves it for what he's done. He's 26 years old and one of the best LHE players around in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
workz 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 seems like nwp site is setting up a pokerstars challenge with the fcp forumers...i think its like 25 vs 25 in a tournament or something.. I'd be interested in playing for us as I'm sure many of you are too...btw...on this whole debate on who's gonna win, I think both of their skills are so high its going to be a card catching contest like what DN has said in previous limit HE matches... So there's no point in saying he's going to win or he's going to win...Lets just enjoy the match for what it is...A great match.. Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcCatcher 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 seems like nwp site is setting up a pokerstars challenge with the fcp forumers...i think its like 25 vs 25 in a tournament or something.. I'd be interested in playing for us as I'm sure many of you are too...btw...on this whole debate on who's gonna win, I think both of their skills are so high its going to be a card catching contest like what DN has said in previous limit HE matches... So there's no point in saying he's going to win or he's going to win...Lets just enjoy the match for what it is...A great match..Thats exactly why it wont be a great or "easy match" as Neverwin likes to put it. Its a card catching contest. I say they have 10 matches for 5k each. That would be somewhat determinative, though only by a slight degree.Anyway your point is taken. There is no reason to get psyched up for this. It would be cool if we could see whats going on with a hole card cam, but otherwise whoever hold over the other will win. Neither have enough of an advantage to overcome negative variance. Link to post Share on other sites
rawl316 0 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 are like neverwin's biatch? do u like toss his salad and shiet?honestly, stop the c0ck riding, its rather pathetic.just as 99% of this forum acts to daniel?anyone that knows neverwin personally knows the kid is brilliant. if neverwin thought this was 50/50 shot he wouldnt be playing daniel. he has nothing to prove, he's doing it because he knows he has an edge.3/2 odds may be stupid in a no limit heads up match, but they are playing limit. if you are so worried about it, and have so much faith in daniel, then someone step forward and give me even odds for 5k.lol, why would people do that for even odds? If never win is really good, then this would be an even money match. people are taking 3:2 because they are getting good value on their 5k. It's like you are asking people to flip a coin with you for 5 grand. Link to post Share on other sites
JBradburn6 0 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 What happened to the 3:2 CAPS was laying us? Did he back out or what? Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 What happened to the 3:2 CAPS was laying us? Did he back out or what?Anyone in there right mind would... I'd take that bet either way, 3-2 on DN or 3-2 on Neverwin It's just a coinflip and we all know how that works.. Link to post Share on other sites
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