New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[KingJames 11]

I'll take the illegal side Although if I am right then paying is going to be a pain in the ass. Especially if all your gold is still locked up in the DOJ

I have faith in our ability to work it out. Paypal would likely work.My $50 to your $100 then? I'll go lower tho, $50 would be my max.

[KingJames 11]

also, just to clarify, is the bet that the legislation has passed or that we are able to actually play?#nottryingtoangle

[KosinTrouble 0]

also, just to clarify, is the bet that the legislation has passed or that we are able to actually play?#JUSTtryingtoangle

fyp....DAMN! I'm gone for a few weeks and all hell broke lose.

[KingJames 11]

fyp....DAMN! I'm gone for a few weeks and all hell broke lose.

yeah, gg us in the UShope you're feeling well

[KingJames 11]

First real hike of the spring is planned for tomorrow.We're going to explore some caves about 25 minutes outside of town. Excited.

[babylondonks 5]

Ordering 'the poker mindset', as has been suggested by Jon for some time nowAlso thought (sorry I'm lame) about ordering one of the lolive poker tells books; either Caro's or Hellmuth/Navarro. Have any of you read either of these? Any feedback?Don't worry fighter, I'm also ordering under the banner... lolbookclubamentsAlso, would anyone want to book action that Americans are legally playing online poker by the end of 2011?[x] degen[x] can ship you a check if I lose

I'd really make sure the wording is solid here if I were you. I mean was it "legal" before black friday? How about in Washington where it's definitely illegal/banned? How about sites like Merge/Bodog?

[fighter 4]

I have faith in our ability to work it out. Paypal would likely work.My $50 to your $100 then? I'll go lower tho, $50 would be my max.

also, just to clarify, is the bet that the legislation has passed or that we are able to actually play?#nottryingtoangle

I'd really make sure the wording is solid here if I were you. I mean was it "legal" before black friday? How about in Washington where it's definitely illegal/banned? How about sites like Merge/Bodog?

That 50% or more us states have access to play on Stars, Tilt , Party, IPoker, 888 poker, Betfair, or a new land based casino backed online poker site before January 1st 2012 inside the USA within their home state.You get 50%+ I get 49% or lowerBy access I mean ability to play legally( no VPN or questionable measures. The reasonable person should be able to set up a new account and play online poker without worrying about prosecution or violating the site's ToC).By land based I mean land in the USA. Online poker is real cash poker games. Play money, freerolls or similar does not count. There is a cooling off period from the start of this bet of 2 days. All ways of james claiming a win during this period are instantly exercised and I am not liable. My $100 to your $50.

[fighter 4]

There is a cooling off period from the start of this bet of 2 days. All ways of james claiming a win during this period are instantly exercised and I am not liable.

This bit I added so that I can't instantly lose this bet. If cake or similar is land based then the bet is void. If you want to re word this to better put this point across then I am open to that. Otherwise quote and say booked. Also after KingJames has quoted and said booked. Can someone take a vvcap of that post and PM me the URL since KJ is a mod. I doubt that KJ will edit all the posts in the future but he can't exploit what isn't there.

[KingJames 11]

That 50% or more us states have access to play on Stars, Tilt , Party, IPoker, 888 poker, Betfair, or a new land based casino backed online poker site before January 1st 2012 inside the USA within their home state.You get 50%+ I get 49% or lowerBy access I mean ability to play legally( no VPN or questionable measures. The reasonable person should be able to set up a new account and play online poker without worrying about prosecution or violating the site's ToC).By land based I mean land in the USA. Online poker is real cash poker games. Play money, freerolls or similar does not count. There is a cooling off period from the start of this bet of 2 days. All ways of james claiming a win during this period are instantly exercised and I am not liable. My $100 to your $50.

booked, glgl

[babylondonks 5]

PMed, gl guys

[Rawrr 0]

I have started playing less on my super fishy site (can't even use a HUD there, and I feel playing the way I do there to exploit the fish makes me play poor on sites with competent players), and started playing on some European site. First day went pretty bad so I was trying to fix my game and really needed to add some 3betting and squeeze plays and so on. However, I'm worried about taking it too far and doing it too much / picking bad spots... Sorry I can't convert the hands for you, but here are the hands I wanna ask about:http://www.holdemmanager.netNL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer Game#2183162542bucapap321 ($20.72)Hero ($20)saarela123 ($7.03)Harr1zon ($15.23)deepsand ($9.62)slimjim1112 ($20.20)bucapap321 posts (SB) $0.10Hero posts (BB) $0.20Dealt to Hero : : saarela123 raises to $0.70Harr1zon calls $0.70deepsand calls $0.70fold, bucapap321 calls $0.60Hero raises to $4.20saarela123 raises to $7.03 (AI)fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $2.83Villain is 44/20 with 14% UTG opening range (very few hands on him though), but I had him marked as a fish cause I saw him get to showdown with some very questionable hands. All the callers aside from the SB were also 40+VPIP. I chose to do this here because the raiser was a short stack so even if he shipped it I could call and get to showdown with maybe decent odds? What do you think?http://www.holdemmanager.netNL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer Game#2182623457aladin375 ($24.77)jensboy92 ($7.55)blako71 ($4)d0centos ($20.70)Hero ($25.91)aladin375 posts (SB) $0.10jensboy92 posts (BB) $0.20Dealt to Hero : : fold, d0centos raises to $0.70Hero calls $0.70fold, jensboy92 calls $0.50FLOP ($2.20) : : : jensboy92 checksd0centos bets $1.40Hero calls $1.40jensboy92 foldsTURN ($5) : : : : d0centos checksHero bets $3.75d0centos raises to $10I wanted to protect my hand, but I didn't want to be put in a spot like this. It looked really bluffy IMO, but I also didn't want to get it in with a hand like this. Thoughts?http://www.holdemmanager.netNL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer Game#2183091181avish99 ($3.86)Beamaldo717 ($15.11)aboythekid ($8.92)Marubozu ($23.13)Hero ($23.65)levi2101 ($12.12)avish99 posts (SB) $0.10Beamaldo717 posts (BB) $0.20Dealt to Hero : : aboythekid raises to $0.40fold, Hero calls $0.40levi2101 raises to $1.52fold, Beamaldo717 calls $1.32fold, Hero calls $1.12FLOP ($5.06) : : : Beamaldo717 checksHero checkslevi2101 bets $2.53Beamaldo717 calls $2.53Hero calls $2.53TURN ($12.65) : : : : Beamaldo717 checksHero bets $6.32levi2101 foldsBeamaldo717 calls $6.32RIVER ($25.29) : : : : : Beamaldo717 checksHero bets $12.64Beamaldo717 calls $4.74 (AI)Beamaldo717 shows : : (Pre 48%, Flop 49.8%, Turn 31.8%)Hero shows 7c 7h (Pre 52%, Flop 50.2%, Turn 68.2%)Hero wins $33.04I left the results on this one cause meh. I was really unhappy with my play preflop, I think maybe I should have folded, but what about my post flop play? I usually bet bigger than 1/2 pot, but I had value bet this guy on the river where he called like 3 of the past 6 hands 1/2 pot so I was hoping he would catch on and fold.

Apparently I never make mistakes since nobody comments on my hands anymore

[QED 4]

I don't play 6max so I don't like to comment on 6max hands.Anyone have any advise for dealing with 40bb stacks that 3bet alot out of the blinds vs hero's button opens? There are a couple of guys that are 3betting me like 8-15% and I'm not sure what ranges to shove on them or if there are any value hands I should flat in pos.

[rrumsey 0]

Apparently I never make mistakes since nobody comments on my hands anymore

hand one is so spewy, hand 2 check back the turn, hand 3 im pretty much folding the flop every time.

[Rawrr 0]

hand one is so spewy, hand 2 check back the turn, hand 3 im pretty much folding the flop every time.

Thanks :)I have another hand to dump on you guys:http://www.holdemmanager.netNL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer Game#2187012939Hero ($25.75)Kyn13 ($4.70)agromonkey ($20)h3h3h3 ($21.10)chipturtle ($3.60)olo_88 ($20.70)Hero posts (SB) $0.10Kyn13 posts (BB) $0.20Dealt to Hero : : fold, h3h3h3 raises to $0.70fold, fold, Hero calls $0.60fold, FLOP ($1.60) : : : Hero checksh3h3h3 checksTURN ($1.60) : : : : Hero bets $1.20h3h3h3 calls $1.20RIVER ($4) : : : : : Hero bets $3h3h3h3 raises to $10.50Hero calls $7.50h3h3h3 shows : : (Pre 79%, Flop 73.4%, Turn 18.2%)Hero shows : : (Pre 21%, Flop 26.6%, Turn 81.8%)h3h3h3 wins $23.75This guy is a reg who is like the one player on the site I hate playing against. I have 1.1k hands on him, and he plays a really aggressive style, and never ever ever slowplays. I was initially upset with my play, or well, I wasn't but my friend who is backing me on this site (just seeing how I do on 20NL and moving me up accordingly, since the site I play 50NL on is just awful), but I was thinking about it, and I figured even if he folds anything but a jack on the river 100% of the time (and I think he is definitely calling at least some of the time), I'm picking up 48 euros on the 24 times out of 25 he is missing that jack, and losing 7 that one time he does (10 if you include my bet). However, I think since he is cbetting a king 100% of the time here, (and I think raising a set of 4s a huge % of the time given my history with him), I should have checked the river since checking the flop, betting that turn and then checking the river looks like air and he is likely to bluff at me.Anyone?

[KingJames 11]

fold preBet/fold river

[Rawrr 0]

fold preBet/fold river

Yeah, I definitely call with too many suited connectors preflop and that's something I need to work on, but you think bet/folding the river is better than check calling?

[fighter 4]

I don't play 6max so I don't like to comment on 6max hands.Anyone have any advise for dealing with 40bb stacks that 3bet alot out of the blinds vs hero's button opens? There are a couple of guys that are 3betting me like 8-15% and I'm not sure what ranges to shove on them or if there are any value hands I should flat in pos.

open to 2bb or 2.5bb 4 bet shove Axs and middle pairs sometimes . call the 3bets w suited broadways and shove over cbets on some flops that you have some backdoor equity (eg KJss, flop Qs4h5d )How light he calls when you make these moves will decide what your course of action will be in the future.

[QED 4]

open to 2bb or 2.5bb 4 bet shove Axs and middle pairs sometimes . call the 3bets w suited broadways and shove over cbets on some flops that you have some backdoor equity (eg KJss, flop Qs4h5d )How light he calls when you make these moves will decide what your course of action will be in the future.

Thanks. 40bb must be the most annoying stack size in poker.

[KingJames 11]

but you think bet/folding the river is better than check calling?

Yes. At the micro-stakes we need to bet to exploit the general villains tendency to be loose/passive. He can call with a wide number of hands, like any Kx hand and my guess is he calls a 3/4psb with the JJ if the river is a blankcheck calling relies on the villain to v-bet worse or bluff, and without a read, I don't give them enough credit.bet/folding >>>>>>>> check/calling>>>>>>>>>>>bet/calling

[KingJames 11]

open to 2bb or 2.5bb 4 bet shove Axs and middle pairs sometimes . call the 3bets w suited broadways and shove over cbets on some flops that you have some backdoor equity (eg KJss, flop Qs4h5d )How light he calls when you make these moves will decide what your course of action will be in the future.

I like this post :thumbsup:I think as far as middling pairs, if their 3b is toward the higher end of what you suggested (15%) I think I would 4b jam all pairsAnd if it's between 8%-11% I'd 4b slam 66+

[Rawrr 0]

Yes. At the micro-stakes we need to bet to exploit the general villains tendency to be loose/passive. He can call with a wide number of hands, like any Kx hand and my guess is he calls a 3/4psb with the JJ if the river is a blankcheck calling relies on the villain to v-bet worse or bluff, and without a read, I don't give them enough credit.bet/folding >>>>>>>> check/calling>>>>>>>>>>>bet/calling

I give him a ton of credit for being a competent player. Hes the only reg that I hate playing against cause I think he belongs at higher stakes than 20NL. Against a fishier/more passive player, I wouldn't be checking trying to induce a bluff.Thanks for the input

[rrumsey 0]

last hand was your plan to check bluff the dry K high flop? thats not a terrible idea but i would have just folded preriver i think bet fold or check call are both valid depending on your dynamics

[XXEddie 0]

Played some LOLive poker for the first time since the interweb scene was shutdown. 1/3nl that plays more like 2/5. Constant straddles, mississippi straddles, and raising to 20 UTG will generally still see 2+ callers a decent amount. At one point was down like $450, but came back to book a $475 dub-ya! I'll post some hands. I told myself to use my phone to record any interesting hands so I wouldn't forget miportant details when I posted, but I forgot to do that like an idiot so the details won't be 100% correct but I'll try to remember as much as I can. I have a lot of history with a high percentage of players in this game so I should be able to provide decent reads. Villain in this hand is a huge fish. Very big loose/aggro guy who is also a huge calling station. He is dangerous in the sense that we he goes on a heater he can build a 1k+ stack since he plays almost ATC and nobody ever believes him. Not that this is very helpful in terms of reads, but he is also that guy who always claims to have the next closest hand to you but will never show it. Don't remember the sixe of the PFR or position but I think the flop was 3-handed. Hero has KsQc. Effective stacks $200Villain raises to 15, Hero calls, SB calls. Flop ($43) Kd 7s 4dSB checks, Villain bets $25, Hero calls, SB foldsTurn ($92) 5dVillain bets $40. Hero folds. The turn fold was pretty simple for me. Villain did the always funny "Shake his head in disgust before betting" move. He showed 86dd. I ended up losing the majority of my first BI to the same villain with KK<AA. He half-slowrolled, too. He 3b my PFR to 55, I 4b to 155 and he tanked for about 15 seconds and sighed and shook his head in that 'I run so bad' way only to shove for a whole $60 more. Like f him! Axx flop to end it quick.

[XXEddie 0]

Sadly I just kinda realized that was my only semi-interesting hand as far as strat goes. Everything else was pretty straight foward. So I rebuy another $300, and fall down to about $225. Then I pick up AA on a $10 straddle and double up against villain from other hands on a T7535 board. Of course, he claims an overpair... lolz.Then get AA>KK to pick up another $350. Ran it twice, Axx flop 1st run, board bricked out second so shipped it all. Funny thing about that hand is that a really tight player from EP looked like he wanted to raise, but he just called. So I made it like $20 to try to induce a limp/raise from him if enough people called hoping he would want to isolate. however somebody 3b me to $100 and the EP player folded and later claimed QQ. Was happy to pick up a tell on someone like that and it be right. Anyway... I 4b shoved allin, he called his remaing $250 off. Was up to about $800 when I picked up AA again (lolz) and raised to $20 and picked up a few callers. One of which was a mega-donk. Saw 80% of flops, would chase any draw for any price... She bitches about it being to cold/warm, she bitches if the music is too loud, she bitches about everything! However, when she dumps 1k a night minimum... we oblidge because she has left before just because of stuff like that... Moving on....Flop comes Kd6d6x, I make a cbet of $40, mega-donk calls. Turn A (BINK!) I check and hear..."100...140...150..157 I'm allin"I snap toss in the $60 worth of chips I was shuffling and flip over my rockets. Ended up cashing out for $1075 at 3am (got there at 7pm and was in for $600).

[SuperJon 175]

Thinking about playing in this, maybe.http://deepstackcharityclassic.com/index.html