"double Or Nothing Sngs On Pokerstars"

[Stiles2004 0]

Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t10/t2010 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t1500UTG+1: t1500UTG+2: t1460MP1: t1340MP2: t1500MP3: t1500Hero: t1500Button: t1490SB: t1710BB: t1500Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20 (pot was t30), 3 folds, Hero raises to t80, Button folds, SB calls t70 (pot was t130), BB calls t60 (pot was t200), UTG+2 calls t60 (pot was t260).Flop: (t320, 4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t120, Hero ???

Easy fold... too early, 3 other guys in the potLet it go and attack when blinds are higher

[Dago 0]

Easy fold... too early, 3 other guys in the potLet it go and attack when blinds are higher

agreed, the checks of the blinds mean nothing if i flop big in the blinds in a raised pot i'll always check-raise. if i have something like KJ/KQ I might lead out, but most likely check/call as I would want to keep the pot small this early with my marginal hand.

BB had 2s,6c (two pair, Queens and twos).

This isn't the worst call in the world. He's very short and has a good bit of his stack invested. You are just a SB pusher so your range is very wide. most likely you don't have a pair and he has two live cards. If it was suited I would most likely call it too. He has 32% chance now and if it was suited he would have 36%.

[Stiles2004 0]

Results:Hero had 8 , K (one pair, Queens).BB had 2 , 6 (two pair, Queens and twos).Outcome: BB won t1444

Important to note it's also still 8 handed so there's little chance of being able to fold to the money with that stack size

[Stiles2004 0]

Cashed 3 of 3 last night and 12 of last 14I think I've figured out how to dominate... I will be offering lessons soon</jinx>

[Dago 0]

Cashed 3 of 3 last night and 12 of last 14I think I've figured out how to dominate... I will be offering lessons soon</jinx>

hehe, nice stats but it's still a fairly small number of games to take too much conclusions already. I'm 9 on 10 today and 17 on my last 20.... unfortunately it doesn't mean i'm always winning them at more than 80% though

[GWCGWC 83]

awwww, converted hands are sweet.

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20 (pot was t30), 3 folds, Hero raises to t80, Button folds, SB calls t70 (pot was t130), BB calls t60 (pot was t200), UTG+2 calls t60 (pot was t260).Flop: (t320, 4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t120, Hero ???

As others have said, it's a fold without a clear read from UTG+2. I wouldn't expect you to have extensive notes on this player. The first blind level is for folding or getting a lot of chips. I've had success raising 5X the blind in the first round with premium PP's and 3X with AK and medium PP's.

This isn't the worst call in the world. He's very short and has a good bit of his stack invested. You are just a SB pusher so your range is very wide. most likely you don't have a pair and he has two live cards. If it was suited I would most likely call it too. He has 32% chance now and if it was suited he would have 36%.

Actually, I don't like the push. Stealing this blind isn't necessary to making it another round and if we get called and win, the extra chips don't double us up making the risk/reward smaller. It's actually close either way. Chet's push/fold is ok and the BB call/fold is ok. Neither is a big mistake.

[Randy Reed 0]

awwww, converted hands are sweet.As others have said, it's a fold without a clear read from UTG+2. I wouldn't expect you to have extensive notes on this player. The first blind level is for folding or getting a lot of chips. I've had success raising 5X the blind in the first round with premium PP's and 3X with AK and medium PP's. Actually, I don't like the push. Stealing this blind isn't necessary to making it another round and if we get called and win, the extra chips don't double us up making the risk/reward smaller. It's actually close either way. Chet's push/fold is ok and the BB call/fold is ok. Neither is a big mistake.

Meh, sorry if I'm jumping in the middle of something, i'm bored.At these low limit sng's I believe most of the time we give way to much credit for the opponents having any clue what they're doing. I'm going to doubt the call with 26s was anything more than some goober figuring he lost/pushed and was moving on to the next sng or video game or whatever. We know it wasn't a bad call. You can expect to be called with random cards way more often than not in this instance.As far as the push/ blind steal with K8s i'd look at it this way. K8 is a very middle hand and suited it only makes it slightly better. Knowing you can expect a short stack to call with any random cards i'd rather have something a little better than that. Why not limp and see a flop rather than risking 1/3 of your stack randomly? I'd like to think I can play better post flop anyway than the random goobers.

[Chet Chetterson 0]

My experience so far in these is that at the micro level short stacks are playing way more tight then they are supposed too. I was low enough on chips where I don't really want villain to catch back up to me. With K8 i'm ahead of a random hand. That was my thought process anyway.

[GWCGWC 83]

Good post Randy. This is a spot where I'd never complete unless the BB has shown me he will only shove high PP's or AK-A10. A random BB player with this stack is shoving too often and if I were going to call his shove, I'd be better for me to shove first. I think it's a shove or fold. Not that it makes any difference at all, it wasn't sooted.

My experience so far in these is that at the micro level short stacks are playing way more tight then they are supposed too. I was low enough on chips where I don't really want villain to catch back up to me. With K8 i'm ahead of a random hand. That was my thought process anyway.

Yes and no, but your thought process is fine. Like I said, I think it's close either way and neither is a clear mistake. Players are supposed to play tighter than one would think. If I'm the BB in this hand, I probably fold. There are a ton of factors that go into this decision but if I'm the BB, I find a much spot.

[jeff_536 3]

Good thinking on the 26 hand. I can see limping with K8 and getting away from a shove, but if i'm going to raise, i have to ask if I want to play for half my stack with that hand in case he shoves over top.The answer is no.

[Poppy_Hillis 11]

Players are supposed to play tighter than one would think. If I'm the BB in this hand, I probably fold. There are a ton of factors that go into this decision but if I'm the BB, I find a much spot.

That's all I'm looking for in these too, much spots.

[Randy Reed 0]

My experience so far in these is that at the micro level short stacks are playing way more tight then they are supposed too. I was low enough on chips where I don't really want villain to catch back up to me. With K8 i'm ahead of a random hand. That was my thought process anyway.

K8 isn't ahead of a random hand, it's the dead middle hand. I guess I'm thinking way back to HOH when he's talking heads up, which i've always thought of as a baseline in these instances.

Good post Randy. This is a spot where I'd never complete unless the BB has shown me he will only shove high PP's or AK-A10. A random BB player with this stack is shoving too often and if I were going to call his shove, I'd be better for me to shove first. I think it's a shove or fold. Not that it makes any difference at all, it wasn't sooted. Yes and no, but your thought process is fine. Like I said, I think it's close either way and neither is a clear mistake. Players are supposed to play tighter than one would think. If I'm the BB in this hand, I probably fold. There are a ton of factors that go into this decision but if I'm the BB, I find a much spot.

Yeah, I this goes without saying as far as the factors entering into it obv. Was the BB's previous play tight only pushing once and getting a bad beat? Is he tilting? Has he been playing agro etc?

Good thinking on the 26 hand. I can see limping with K8 and getting away from a shove, but if i'm going to raise, i have to ask if I want to play for half my stack with that hand in case he shoves over top.The answer is no.

I forget the blinds but a raise isn't out of the question in a general sense. Probably no great answer here and it the hand wasn't a crusher for your tourney life. If you hold up we wouldn't be discussing it imho.

That's all I'm looking for in these too, much spots.

shuddup you.

[litlebullet 0]

well, it's been 1 week of putting in mad volume and I've been swinging between 200 and 300$ like a slinky and I'm about ready to jump in traffic.

[Balloon guy 158]

Thought I would try the $21.60s last nightTighter than tightat 150/300 there was still 8 players and noone had more than 2500 and noone less than 1000If it wasn't for some guy getting a mad rush of cards and running hot I would probably still be playing it.It wasn't really fun and was probably even more of a crap shoot with ultra tightness play. Of course maybe losening up and playing aggresive would work, but I don't have the skills to try

[Dago 0]

Yeah it seems that at the $20 level you would do good to keep track of who are the regular players and how tight are they to be able to steal some small pots from them early on, so you have a small edge on them once the big push fest begins.Also on the whole $5/$10/$20 level of play debate. It seems it does get a little harder when you move up levels afterall, but just not much.WARNING lots of statistics now read at your own risk :PMy stats for example:at $5 turbo's after 430 games i'm at 60.7% winningat the $10 turbo's after 347 games i'm at 59.9% winsat $20 i've only played 9 so far so it isn't relavant (66% thanks to an A2 that won against 44 just now otherwise it would have been 55%)So I looked up some regulars in the $20 game and compared their stats with what they managed at the $10 level.And generally speaking they have about one or two % less wins at the $20 level ... But since the price money doubles they still earn more in the $20 game though.Here are some results of the guys who played enough at both stakes to be relavant.Guy1: $10 - 1000 games - 58% win - $1.25 profit/game || $20 - 3800 games - 57% win - $1.9/gameGuy2: $10 - 600 games - 58% win - $1.25/game || $20 - 660 games - 55% win - $1.7/gameGuy3: $10 - 830 games - 54% win - $0.6/game || $20 - 390 games - 55% win - $1.5/ game (he's the only one that wins more at $20)Guy4: $10 - 333 games - 57% win - $1.1/game || $20 - 1680 games - 56% win - $1.9/gameGuy5: $10 - 230 games - 46% win - $1 loss/game || $20 - 230 games - 42% win - $3.6 loss/game (a losing player who loses 3 times as much when moving up in stakes)Guy6: $10 - 540 games - 57% win - $1.2/game || $20 - 390 games - 52% win - 0.32/game (he is significantly worse at $20 so that he earns only one fourth of what he earned at $10!)Guy7: $10 - 380 games - 58% win - $1.25/game || $20 - 900 games - 58% win - $2.6/game (manages to keep the same winning % at $20)So generaly speaking, if you are profitable, sure try move up in stakes as you should be able to earn more there, but as your winning % might be a bit lower, you should expect bigger variance swings. So don't rush it too much. Take your time to be completely at ease at each level before you go higher.ok enough numbers now, before you guys banish me to 2+2 :PSpeaking of 2+2 they also have a huge topic on DoN's that i've been meaning to read, but it's so big that I haven't had the courage yet to start it

[wsox8 10]

Questions on a few hands, It's still early in the first one. I don't usually play NL and I don't usually limp this kind of hand. Raise flop? If yes, then it makes the turn more difficultPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 (t1480)Hero (MP3) (t1500)CO (t1560)Button (t1470)SB (t1480)BB (t1620)UTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1500)MP1 (t1400)Hero's M: 50.00Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9 , 10 :spade:UTG calls t20, 4 folds, Hero calls t20, 3 folds, BB checksFlop: (t70) J , 8 , 6 (3 players)BB checks, UTG bets t50, Hero calls t50, 1 foldTurn: (t170) A (2 players)UTG bets t200, Hero...6 people leftPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.20 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t790)SB (t2325)Hero (BB) (t3830)UTG (t1985)MP (t2980)CO (t3090)Hero's M: 7.30Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 7 3 folds, Button raises to t765 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero...and I'm below 50% in cashing atm . Can't win the all ins when I'm favored

[GWCGWC 83]

Questions on a few hands, It's still early in the first one. I don't usually play NL and I don't usually limp this kind of hand. Raise flop? If yes, then it makes the turn more difficultPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 (t1480)Hero (MP3) (t1500)CO (t1560)Button (t1470)SB (t1480)BB (t1620)UTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1500)MP1 (t1400)Hero's M: 50.00Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9 , 10 :spade:UTG calls t20, 4 folds, Hero calls t20, 3 folds, BB checksFlop: (t70) J , 8 , 6 (3 players)BB checks, UTG bets t50, Hero calls t50, 1 foldTurn: (t170) A (2 players)UTG bets t200, Hero...6 people leftPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00+$0.20 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t790)SB (t2325)Hero (BB) (t3830)UTG (t1985)MP (t2980)CO (t3090)Hero's M: 7.30Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 7 3 folds, Button raises to t765 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero...and I'm below 50% in cashing atm . Can't win the all ins when I'm favored

hand 1, I probably fold p/f. There's no reason to get involved this early. If I limp p/f here, I'm folding to a raise of 100 and calling to a raise of 60. This standard holds unless something crazy happens like the CO raises to 100 and everyone else calls. That just doesn't happen. That being said, after the flop you want to build a pot when UTG bets into you. I would raise to 200 or more likely, 250. This will help define his hand and build a pot. If he has a set, he'd probably r/r AI.In general, a min donk bet at this blind level is usually a draw or a blocking bet for cheap showdown. As the blinds get larger and the min bet to stack ratios get larger, the min bet can be interpreted as much stronger holdings. As played, it screams set or KsJx. Horrible turn but we should have two outs. I peal the 200 and call up to 300 on the river and probably fold for 400. If we hit, then push obv. hand 2, I foldThere's no reason to lose 515 with your stack. Him chipping up to 1385 or whatever won't put you in jeopardy and he's still short. You or someone else will find a better spot. You're looking to fold to the money at this point or have a larger edge vs the short stack. It's close and I could make an argument for calling since your stack would still be in decent shape. If I had to guess, I'd think ICM says call, but personally, I fold.

[Dago 0]

I agree with GWCGWC on both hands.Hand two is really not your problem if he gains some chips, you are chipleader and well in front. No need for you to give up your chiplead just because none of the other people at the table have the balls to put pressure on the shortstack. They are the one who want to keep him short to protect their position. You honestly don't care anymore what happens.The only advantage I see for calling (except for getting lucky and winning) is that the chance is bigger that you will get a walk on your BB later on.)

[wsox8 10]

These things go longer and longer each time I play. We had 8 people left at 200/400 (40 mins in)

[GWCGWC 83]

These things go longer and longer each time I play. We had 8 people left at 200/400 (40 mins in)

I can't imagine playing anything but the turbos.

[wsox8 10]

I can't imagine playing anything but the turbos.

That was a turbo.Wow, this ending was pretty crazy especially since everyone was low but me and another guy.PokerStars Game #23886675816: Tournament #133929810, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/01/14 5:57:55 ETTable '133929810 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: ss_888 (715 in chips) Seat 3: lambodc (480 in chips) Seat 4: Helbisch (405 in chips) Seat 5: WorldWarFour (2595 in chips) Seat 8: Wsox08 (10280 in chips) Seat 10: tstone25 (525 in chips) ss_888: posts the ante 30lambodc: posts the ante 30Helbisch: posts the ante 30WorldWarFour: posts the ante 30Wsox08: posts the ante 30tstone25: posts the ante 30lambodc: posts small blind 150Helbisch: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Wsox08 [Qs 4d]WorldWarFour: folds Wsox08: calls 300tstone25: raises 195 to 495 and is all-inss_888: folds lambodc: folds Helbisch: folds Wsox08: calls 195*** FLOP *** [6d Qh 5c]*** TURN *** [6d Qh 5c] [7c]*** RIVER *** [6d Qh 5c 7c] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***Wsox08: shows [Qs 4d] (two pair, Queens and Fours)tstone25: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)Wsox08 collected 1620 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1620 | Rake 0 Board [6d Qh 5c 7c 4s]Seat 2: ss_888 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: lambodc (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: Helbisch (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: WorldWarFour folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Wsox08 showed [Qs 4d] and won (1620) with two pair, Queens and FoursSeat 10: tstone25 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings

[Stiles2004 0]

PokerStars Game #23886675816: Tournament #133929810, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/01/14 5:57:55 ETTable '133929810 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: ss_888 (715 in chips) Seat 3: lambodc (480 in chips) Seat 4: Helbisch (405 in chips) Seat 5: WorldWarFour (2595 in chips) Seat 8: Wsox08 (10280 in chips) Seat 10: tstone25 (525 in chips) ss_888: posts the ante 30lambodc: posts the ante 30Helbisch: posts the ante 30WorldWarFour: posts the ante 30Wsox08: posts the ante 30tstone25: posts the ante 30lambodc: posts small blind 150Helbisch: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Wsox08 [Qs 4d]WorldWarFour: folds Wsox08: calls 300tstone25: raises 195 to 495 and is all-inss_888: folds lambodc: folds Helbisch: folds Wsox08: calls 195*** FLOP *** [6d Qh 5c]*** TURN *** [6d Qh 5c] [7c]*** RIVER *** [6d Qh 5c 7c] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***Wsox08: shows [Qs 4d] (two pair, Queens and Fours)tstone25: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)Wsox08 collected 1620 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1620 | Rake 0 Board [6d Qh 5c 7c 4s]Seat 2: ss_888 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: lambodc (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: Helbisch (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: WorldWarFour folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Wsox08 showed [Qs 4d] and won (1620) with two pair, Queens and FoursSeat 10: tstone25 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings

Huge stack, loses nothing on a call, and can have a cheap look at busting a short stackBad beat for sure but I like the limp from him, I might have even shoved... why the hell not

[wsox8 10]

Huge stack, loses nothing on a call, and can have a cheap look at busting a short stackBad beat for sure but I like the limp from him, I might have even shoved... why the hell not

uhh that was me with the big stack.

[Tosh 0]

ive been playing these alot had some sucess latly at the $10.40 turbo level but sick today today cant win a handPokerStars Game #24009610845: Tournament #134730159, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/17 18:14:22 PT [2009/01/17 21:14:22 ET]Table '134730159 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: allindaze (2540 in chips) Seat 2: toshfcp (3226 in chips) Seat 3: cubsguy17 (1730 in chips) Seat 4: InSidi0uS4 (1295 in chips) Seat 5: jkh76 (1137 in chips) Seat 6: $amking (1240 in chips) Seat 7: TxJessie (2490 in chips) Seat 8: Swartie333 (1342 in chips) allindaze: posts the ante 10toshfcp: posts the ante 10cubsguy17: posts the ante 10InSidi0uS4: posts the ante 10jkh76: posts the ante 10$amking: posts the ante 10TxJessie: posts the ante 10Swartie333: posts the ante 10Swartie333: posts small blind 50allindaze: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to toshfcp [7c 7d]toshfcp: raises 200 to 300cubsguy17: calls 300InSidi0uS4: folds jkh76: folds $amking: folds TxJessie: folds Swartie333: folds allindaze: folds *** FLOP *** [Kh 7h Ts]toshfcp: checks cubsguy17: bets 300toshfcp: raises 1200 to 1500cubsguy17: calls 1120 and is all-inUncalled bet (80) returned to toshfcp*** TURN *** [Kh 7h Ts] [Jh]*** RIVER *** [Kh 7h Ts Jh] [Ac]*** SHOW DOWN ***toshfcp: shows [7c 7d] (three of a kind, Sevens)cubsguy17: shows [Kd Qc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)cubsguy17 collected 3670 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3670 | Rake 0 Board [Kh 7h Ts Jh Ac]Seat 1: allindaze (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: toshfcp showed [7c 7d] and lost with three of a kind, SevensSeat 3: cubsguy17 showed [Kd Qc] and won (3670) with a straight, Ten to AceSeat 4: InSidi0uS4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: jkh76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[XXEddie 0]

PokerStars Game #24016737934: Tournament #134779028, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/01/18 2:59:53 ETTable '134779028 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: posit0 (5510 in chips) Seat 2: gaoyan1980 (300 in chips) Seat 5: Ropokie (4325 in chips) Seat 6: bagambandi (1370 in chips) Seat 7: tortugaman0 (2090 in chips) Seat 10: KevinJA8FCP (1405 in chips) posit0: posts the ante 30gaoyan1980: posts the ante 30Ropokie: posts the ante 30bagambandi: posts the ante 30tortugaman0: posts the ante 30KevinJA8FCP: posts the ante 30Ropokie: posts small blind 150bagambandi: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to KevinJA8FCP [Ts Tc]tortugaman0: folds KevinJA8FCP: folds right?If the shortstack had like 700+ or so, I think I shove.