litlebullet 0 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Btw litlebullet, I like your challange but why play 6000 of them? if you do 5$ ones at an average of 60% win. then you win ~0.8$ for each game you play... that means you only need to play 2500 of them to get your 2000$ profit. Sounds a bit healthier no? it was a ridiculous mind-blowing goal i was using to attract prob bets. didn't get anyone to bet vs me so i don't have to do it... but maybe i might try it all half assed. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Wow BG. Teaching anyone how to play any type of poker game is quite an undertaking. These present so many weird situations that don't apply to any other game. Maybe the closest thing is a FT of a qualifier that pays 5 seats......maybe. lol. My its just me but isn't 40 buyins even cutting it close?I have no clue but even as good as Poppy is, I don't think there's much a chance of him not going broke over a small sample size in the $20 with just $200 starting. That'd be a decent prop bet actually. Link to post Share on other sites
Dago 0 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 But what do you thing will happen when he goes to regular SnGs?That he often will end up near the bubble just in or just out. you are good at moving up one spot in the pay ladder, but not in playing for first. So everytime when someone is eliminated you have an up hill battle to fight for getting to the next spot.He might be too passive to be good in later stages of the game, especially way too passive in head-up.Also for ABC poker, tightness and patience the $0.1 360 man turbo's are a cheap learning school imo I play with atleast 200 :-\That's too safe imo. 40 sounds fairly good.... I use 80 myself, but that's because I play 8 at once, if I move to 10 tabling I'll use 100.Does anyone have much experience of playing the different levels of these, i.e I'm consistantly winning 70% at $1.10, is this likely to change much when I move up to the $5.20s and $10.40s?It doesn't hurt to give a $5.2 a shot, they aren't much harder. If you want to be safe. play 1.1's till you have $5.2 profit then use that to play a bigger buy-in one. If you lose, grind the 1.1's again for a new $5. If you win, play another $5 or play two :)I used that tactic. I won my first one on my 3rd try. I haven't looked back since.My brother used it too, he got it on the first try. He plays non-turbo's as his bankroll is very small and these are even less variance than the turbo'sHe played 45 games of $1.1 at 73% for $14 profit before he tried his first $5.4. He played 30 of those now at 63% Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 yeah well i go through 40-50 buyin swings all teh time really have no idea why. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 PokerStars Game #23512080564: Tournament #131335932, $5.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/01/02 21:49:46 ETTable '131335932 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Jndsj (855 in chips) Seat 2: Bracko21 (2190 in chips) Seat 3: rohoroho64 (1425 in chips) Seat 4: JoeDuc (1940 in chips) Seat 5: litlebullet (1410 in chips) Seat 6: hydrowave (1700 in chips) Seat 7: FeltStrategy (1490 in chips) Seat 8: juankyss (2165 in chips) Seat 10: scoobydoo100 (1825 in chips) litlebullet: posts small blind 15hydrowave: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to litlebullet [Qh Qs]FeltStrategy: folds juankyss: raises 30 to 60scoobydoo100: folds Jndsj: folds Bracko21: folds rohoroho64: folds JoeDuc: folds litlebullet: raises 120 to 180hydrowave: calls 150juankyss: calls 120*** FLOP *** [Js Kd 2h]litlebullet: bets 430hydrowave: calls 430juankyss: calls 430*** TURN *** [Js Kd 2h] [6s]litlebullet: checks hydrowave: checks juankyss: bets 540litlebullet: folds hydrowave: calls 540*** RIVER *** [Js Kd 2h 6s] [9c]hydrowave: checks juankyss: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***hydrowave: shows [Jh As] (a pair of Jacks)juankyss: mucks hand hydrowave collected 2910 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2910 | Rake 0 Board [Js Kd 2h 6s 9c]Seat 1: Jndsj folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Bracko21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: rohoroho64 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: JoeDuc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: litlebullet (small blind) folded on the TurnSeat 6: hydrowave (big blind) showed [Jh As] and won (2910) with a pair of JacksSeat 7: FeltStrategy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: juankyss mucked [Jd Qd]Seat 10: scoobydoo100 folded before Flop (didn't bet)fudge lol. inb4[x] outPLAYED Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I hope nobody really believes this.I shouldn't have made such a blanketed statement. If you're just playing to slowly build and at all costs not go broke with your online roll, then what I said is wrong obviously. Unless you're in HS or something and have no money there is no reason to not take $300 and play the $20's, if you're a winning player of course.If you're a winner in these, don't sell yourself short and waste time grinding out $1's and $5's.I play with atleast 200 :-\I hope this is not serious.I have no clue but even as good as Poppy is, I don't think there's much a chance of him not going broke over a small sample size in the $20 with just $200 starting. That'd be a decent prop bet actually.There's a pretty decent chance I would go "broke" with the $200, but personally I would rather go "broke" once or twice to build a decent enough online roll for the $50's and optimistically the $100's, than waste time grinding out the $5's with $200.My thing is if you're not comfortable unless you have 40 buy ins, and you're beating the $5's, quit wasting your time and just deposit enough so you can play the $20's. There's hardly any difference in the play or the difficulty, if at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Dago 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 hehe litlebullet, They would "outplay" me too in that spot. It seems people aren't tighter just because it isn't a turbo there :)I just had a chance to fold AA on the button I was in spot 5/6 and the only one shorter than me was sitting out. It's fun to fold AA and know you made a good play :PI've just had my best run ever. Won 15 of my last 16 games (BRAG!!!) So i'll add some $20's together with my $10's next time.Hopefully I didn't use up all my luck just now and have some left for my first couple of $20's *fingers crossed*btw Poppy_hills. I mostly agree with your post, only you make it sound as though grinding those $5's would take aaages. It doesn't. If you are somewhat decent and you grind $5's with $200 your bankroll will be at $400 pretty fast (certainly if you are used to multi-tabling).But you are right that if you are willing to risk going broke once or twice you can start playing higher. I can comfirm that it isn't harder to beat $10's than it is $5's. I hope you are right about the $20's too :)Personally my original poker bankroll comes from a freeroll, so I'll continue to play as a bankroll nit to prevent me from ever going broke Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 poppy i'm the biggest br nit/ poker nit you'll ever see.Part of the reason why I like this game is when I turn a buck or two into something bigger. Done it countless times.I'm slowly moving up in stakes as I get better but I'm in no hurry to play bigger games.But this is the last month I'm planning on playing anything less than 20s if this month goes good. Link to post Share on other sites
dabetka 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 PokerStars Game #23534658788: Tournament #131495833, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/03 15:05:51 ETTable '131495833 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: gogan28 (600 in chips) Seat 2: rosi1111 (2590 in chips) Seat 3: pluk1978 (1355 in chips) Seat 4: Rounder 740 (1305 in chips) Seat 5: IrishAnger (1685 in chips) Seat 6: PlzCoolerMe (1020 in chips) Seat 7: fourreal (1905 in chips) Seat 8: Griffin2400 (1620 in chips) Seat 9: cashcris (1775 in chips) Seat 10: Don Predelli (1145 in chips) gogan28: posts the ante 10rosi1111: posts the ante 10pluk1978: posts the ante 10Rounder 740: posts the ante 10IrishAnger: posts the ante 10PlzCoolerMe: posts the ante 10fourreal: posts the ante 10Griffin2400: posts the ante 10cashcris: posts the ante 10Don Predelli: posts the ante 10Griffin2400: posts small blind 50cashcris: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to PlzCoolerMe [Kd Ks]Don Predelli: folds gogan28 is disconnected gogan28 is connected gogan28: folds rosi1111: folds pluk1978: raises 200 to 300Rounder 740: folds IrishAnger: folds PlzCoolerMe: raises 710 to 1010 and is all-infourreal: folds Griffin2400: folds cashcris: folds pluk1978: calls 710*** FLOP *** [Ad 5c 3d]PlzCoolerMe said, "wtf?"*** TURN *** [Ad 5c 3d] [Qs]*** RIVER *** [Ad 5c 3d Qs] [8h]*** SHOW DOWN ***pluk1978: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Aces)PlzCoolerMe: shows [Kd Ks] (a pair of Kings)pluk1978 collected 2270 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2270 | Rake 0 Board [Ad 5c 3d Qs 8h]Evidently pluk didn't read the posts about even folding aces pf to protect stack... why me?Gosh I run like sh.t, I'm 0-4 in these f'n donkaments. I just got f'd on another one ainpr ak sooooooted < a10 Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 If anyone's a sharkscope subscriber and wouldn't mind wasting some searches, could you look up GWCGWC on Stars, filter for the $10 turbo Dbl's and tell me what my stats are? I'd like to know how many games I've played and my win/lose amount. I don't know how to track this from PT, I'm not going to manually import each sng, and I'm not going to physically write it down. Link to post Share on other sites
Dago 0 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Very unlucky dabetka, but keep playing you'll win it back. It are players like these that make these game so profitable for you in the long run.With your stack fairly low I would play it exactly like you did, but sometimes when i'm above average and I have KK or QQ I will just call (if my stack after calling is bigger than 1k) to be able to fold if an A appears, cause the chance that they have an A in their hand is fairly big.GWCGWC. I don't have sharkscope but there is a free site where you can track your results too (less in detail most likely but still good with enough filters). link: your pokerstars statsYou played 79 $10.4 turbo's and won 59% = 47 games won.That's a profit of $118.4 or $1.5 gain for each game you playsince it seems you 8-table these and since it takes about 45 minutes before the last one is finished your hourly gain is: $16/hr Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 GWCGWC. I don't have sharkscope but there is a free site where you can track your results too (less in detail most likely but still good with enough filters). link: your pokerstars statsYou played 79 $10.4 turbo's and won 59% = 47 games won.That's a profit of $118.4 or $1.5 gain for each game you playsince it seems you 8-table these and since it takes about 45 minutes before the last one is finished your hourly gain is: $16/hrThank you very much. This site will do the trick. Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Not that I was teribly involved, but my hole cards are important...PokerStars Game #23566130154: Tournament #131721921, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/04 12:56:41 ETTable '131721921 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: hai29 (2310 in chips) Seat 2: masterschut (3150 in chips) Seat 3: ceelbar (1550 in chips) Seat 4: Stiles2004 (1435 in chips) Seat 5: loseonriver (1565 in chips) Seat 7: guigui355 (1160 in chips) Seat 8: javito1982 (1180 in chips) Seat 9: zachaser (1330 in chips) Seat 10: Caio08 (1320 in chips) is sitting outhai29: posts the ante 10masterschut: posts the ante 10ceelbar: posts the ante 10Stiles2004: posts the ante 10loseonriver: posts the ante 10guigui355: posts the ante 10javito1982: posts the ante 10zachaser: posts the ante 10Caio08: posts the ante 10Stiles2004: posts small blind 50loseonriver: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Stiles2004 [Ks 6s]guigui355: folds Caio08 has returnedjavito1982: calls 100zachaser: folds Caio08: folds hai29: folds masterschut: folds ceelbar: calls 100Stiles2004: calls 50loseonriver: checks *** FLOP *** [Jd Js 9s]Stiles2004: checks loseonriver: checks javito1982: bets 300ceelbar: folds Stiles2004: folds loseonriver: raises 300 to 600javito1982: raises 470 to 1070 and is all-inloseonriver: calls 470*** TURN *** [Jd Js 9s] [2s]*** RIVER *** [Jd Js 9s 2s] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***loseonriver: shows [Jh 8d] (three of a kind, Jacks)javito1982: shows [As 5d] (a flush, Ace high)javito1982 collected 2630 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2630 | Rake 0 Board [Jd Js 9s 2s 4s]Seat 1: hai29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: masterschut folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: ceelbar (button) folded on the FlopSeat 4: Stiles2004 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 5: loseonriver (big blind) showed [Jh 8d] and lost with three of a kind, JacksSeat 7: guigui355 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: javito1982 showed [As 5d] and won (2630) with a flush, Ace highSeat 9: zachaser folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: Caio08 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
Dago 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 *** RIVER *** [Jd Js 9s 2s] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***loseonriver: shows [Jh 8d] (three of a kind, Jacks)javito1982: shows [As 5d] (a flush, Ace high)Very unlucky but with this name he asked for it :PAnyway good of you not to get involved and good for you that one of your opponents got crippled. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Oh helllllloooo Mr. Minraise. So nice to meet you. I always thought you were a really bad idea but now I've found a place to use you effectively. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Oh helllllloooo Mr. Minraise. So nice to meet you. I always thought you were a really bad idea but now I've found a place to use you effectively.It's nice to have some new weapons at your disposal, eh?You coming to Vegas in the summer with the rest of us? Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 sticky spot. no reads on villainwho calls, who folds?PokerStars Game #23581824088: Tournament #131797855, $5.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/04 21:19:34 ETTable '131797855 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: LilyMadision (1642 in chips) Seat 2: pic4zzo (1885 in chips) Seat 5: litlebullet (1820 in chips) Seat 6: quesh (2095 in chips) Seat 8: raulilo (3513 in chips) Seat 10: msmoody (4045 in chips) LilyMadision: posts the ante 20pic4zzo: posts the ante 20litlebullet: posts the ante 20quesh: posts the ante 20raulilo: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts small blind 100LilyMadision: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to litlebullet [Qc Qh]pic4zzo: raises 1665 to 1865 and is all-inlitlebullet: Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 sticky spot. no reads on villainwho calls, who folds?PokerStars Game #23581824088: Tournament #131797855, $5.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/04 21:19:34 ETTable '131797855 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: LilyMadision (1642 in chips) Seat 2: pic4zzo (1885 in chips) Seat 5: litlebullet (1820 in chips) Seat 6: quesh (2095 in chips) Seat 8: raulilo (3513 in chips) Seat 10: msmoody (4045 in chips) LilyMadision: posts the ante 20pic4zzo: posts the ante 20litlebullet: posts the ante 20quesh: posts the ante 20raulilo: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts small blind 100LilyMadision: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to litlebullet [Qc Qh]pic4zzo: raises 1665 to 1865 and is all-inlitlebullet:No read at all after getting down to six handed?I'll shove over and win the race Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Winner in 9 of 11 today... I've got a new strategy... no calling, only raising and folding Link to post Share on other sites
dlingdling 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 sticky spot. no reads on villainwho calls, who folds?PokerStars Game #23581824088: Tournament #131797855, $5.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/04 21:19:34 ETTable '131797855 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: LilyMadision (1642 in chips) Seat 2: pic4zzo (1885 in chips) Seat 5: litlebullet (1820 in chips) Seat 6: quesh (2095 in chips) Seat 8: raulilo (3513 in chips) Seat 10: msmoody (4045 in chips) LilyMadision: posts the ante 20pic4zzo: posts the ante 20litlebullet: posts the ante 20quesh: posts the ante 20raulilo: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts the ante 20msmoody: posts small blind 100LilyMadision: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to litlebullet [Qc Qh]pic4zzo: raises 1665 to 1865 and is all-inlitlebullet: No read at all after getting down to six handed?I'll shove over and win the raceI fold at this stack size. If I had the shortstack, I'd snap call. You have 20 invested. It's bubble play and pic4zzo beat you to the punch. LilyMadison's going through the blinds first with a shorter stack. Make Lily shove/call for her sng life. Quesh has about the same stack as you, so shoving into him is still a big option. You're not desperate to call for a flip. Shove for it. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I just had the worst table ever. 8 players left at the 400/800 level. Every short stack kept doubling up. The big stack then busted two players making him a HUGE stack. He doesn't understand the implied collusion strat and gave me protection by betting into a dry side pot on the river when I was allin. He had ace high bad kicker and I won with AJ high. I think the following was the right play but it almost cost me. I was on the button with A8os and around 1000 behind. The huge stack was on my right and limped, I limp, the SB and the BB were allin from the blinds. Big stack checks it down and the sb and bb both had 106os. Flop 8 high but the river brought a ten and the blinds chop the pot.After posting the ante, I'm left with.........................8 chips. Luckily the button who had 300 chips decides to play with QQ and the bb won with K6os when a K hit the river. Yep, I cashed with just 8 chips. beat that suckaaaas It's nice to have some new weapons at your disposal, eh?You coming to Vegas in the summer with the rest of us?I'd love to. I'd need to win some real money at this poker thing. Maybe I'll get lucky in a MTT or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Dago 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I played my first $20.8 which I won. I even managed to survive getting KK against AA on a Q high flop with losing less than half my stack!But before I play more of them i'm now trying out some 10-tabling (two more than my usual 8 tabling). 12/20 after my first two attempts, so far so good.This year has been kind to me so far. I'm at 53 wins in 84 games (63% - $196 profit - $26.1 profit/hr) Dealt to litlebullet [Qc Qh]I might call. Sure there is one guy shorter than you but he has a lot of time still to wait for good cards and push those to get in front of you.The way you are sitting it is very likely that those short stacks will push against you several times so why not call them now that you have a hand that is almost certainly in front. Also you are in an early position whenever lily is in the blinds so you won't be able to put pressure on her as there are too many people between you who can wake up with a big hand and call you.Fold isn't bad, but I might risk it here and call.I was on the button with A8os and around 1000 behind. The huge stack was on my right and limped, I limp, the SB and the BB were allin from the blinds.I don't think I would limp along. You are on the button and the blinds are huuge. Even if the blinds miracle surive (which is very unlikely even if you don't limp). there are still a few hands to come before you are BB again, where most likely again some people will be forced all-in. ... Ofcourse after all the miracles that already happend to even get to 800/400 blinds I understand that you want to help out to finish it right there Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I don't think I would limp along. You are on the button and the blinds are huuge. Even if the blinds miracle surive (which is very unlikely even if you don't limp). there are still a few hands to come before you are BB again, where most likely again some people will be forced all-in. ... Ofcourse after all the miracles that already happend to even get to 800/400 blinds I understand that you want to help out to finish it right there You are absolutely correct. It was a clearly a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I'll post this to show everyone how badly people are playing these things. I know BBFIDTS but it's not even that good of a bad beat.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.10 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t2135)Button (t1425)Hero (SB) (t1565)BB (t677)UTG (t2160)UTG+1 (t1195)MP1 (t1923)MP2 (t3920)Hero's M: 4.54Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 , K 6 folds, Hero raises to t1550 (All-In), BB calls t512 (All-In)Flop: (t1444) 2 , J , 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)Turn: (t1444) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)River: (t1444) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: t1444Results:Hero had 8 , K (one pair, Queens).BB had 2 , 6 (two pair, Queens and twos).Outcome: BB won t1444 Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t10/t2010 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t1500UTG+1: t1500UTG+2: t1460MP1: t1340MP2: t1500MP3: t1500Hero: t1500Button: t1490SB: t1710BB: t1500Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20 (pot was t30), 3 folds, Hero raises to t80, Button folds, SB calls t70 (pot was t130), BB calls t60 (pot was t200), UTG+2 calls t60 (pot was t260).Flop: (t320, 4 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t120, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
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