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PokerStars Game #24016737934: Tournament #134779028, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/01/18 2:59:53 ETTable '134779028 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: posit0 (5510 in chips) Seat 2: gaoyan1980 (300 in chips) Seat 5: Ropokie (4325 in chips) Seat 6: bagambandi (1370 in chips) Seat 7: tortugaman0 (2090 in chips) Seat 10: KevinJA8FCP (1405 in chips) posit0: posts the ante 30gaoyan1980: posts the ante 30Ropokie: posts the ante 30bagambandi: posts the ante 30tortugaman0: posts the ante 30KevinJA8FCP: posts the ante 30Ropokie: posts small blind 150bagambandi: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to KevinJA8FCP [Ts Tc]tortugaman0: folds KevinJA8FCP: folds right?If the shortstack had like 700+ or so, I think I shove.
Good fold. I'm not exactly sure what the short stack has to have for this to be a shove. On the surface, and in a vacuum, I'd expect this fold to be correct until the short stack has just under 1K.You're paying your blinds and antes with two short stacks having to pay the blinds after you. If neither busts out before your next blind, then you're gonna be the super shorty and have to double. It's the nature of these bastards and weird stuff happens.
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I think a fold might even be ok if the shorty has about a 1k stack. he's flanked by two big stacks who won't give him an easy time at the $1.1 level. And seat 6 who is BB now is equal to your stack but has to pay the blinds first so will also have to take a risk before you have to do anything.And the bad beat of Tosh... very unlucky. But I would fold 77 pre-flop with my big stack UTG. If someone calls you can't know where you are unless you hit a set. If someone raises you are a coinflip at best so you can't call. If everyone folds you go from 3.2k to 3.4k which doesn't change anything to your chances of making the money.

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some people need to get AIDS.really? wtf....*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to KevinJA8FCP [As Kd]Sidd Patel: folds sheekie: folds thompson72dj: folds danlon: folds KevinJA8FCP: raises 1280 to 1530 and is all-inDragaoJahu: calls 1280*** FLOP *** [Js 3c 6c]*** TURN *** [Js 3c 6c] [8s]*** RIVER *** [Js 3c 6c 8s] [9c]*** SHOW DOWN ***KevinJA8FCP: shows [As Kd] (high card Ace)DragaoJahu: shows [6h Kc] (a pair of Sixes)DragaoJahu collected 3210 from potwere on the bubble, btw

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some people need to get AIDS.really? wtf....*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to KevinJA8FCP [As Kd]Sidd Patel: folds sheekie: folds thompson72dj: folds danlon: folds KevinJA8FCP: raises 1280 to 1530 and is all-inDragaoJahu: calls 1280*** FLOP *** [Js 3c 6c]*** TURN *** [Js 3c 6c] [8s]*** RIVER *** [Js 3c 6c 8s] [9c]*** SHOW DOWN ***KevinJA8FCP: shows [As Kd] (high card Ace)DragaoJahu: shows [6h Kc] (a pair of Sixes)DragaoJahu collected 3210 from potwere on the bubble, btw
Did this post make you feel better? Was it a nice way to bump the thread to keep it on the front page?Why can't the Avs win on the road vs a team with 'Blue' in their name?Why not post the entire CONVERTED HH so we can see stack sizes and such. I for one like to try to argue both sides of a particular hand and then make my decision on the possible plays. Obv, bad beats suck but I'm guessing this is a call you really really wanted the dude to make. sucks though
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Did this post make you feel better? Was it a nice way to bump the thread to keep it on the front page?Why can't the Avs win on the road vs a team with 'Blue' in their name?Why not post the entire CONVERTED HH so we can see stack sizes and such. I for one like to try to argue both sides of a particular hand and then make my decision on the possible plays. Obv, bad beats suck but I'm guessing this is a call you really really wanted the dude to make. sucks though
No.Yes.Cause we suckIt doesnt matter what the stack sizes are, it's a terrible call. But, if he lost, he woulda been left with ~100 chips. So it makes it worse....sigh
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Decided to try these last night for first time.Played first one as regular $10+$0.80 and won that, but realized it lasted way to long.So played 29 of the $10+$0.40's turbos (won 12, lost 17 (bubbled 7 times in 6th, sooo frustrating) and 4 of the $20+$0.80 turbos (won 3, lost 1)Total of 34 games last night, won 16, lost 18; the rake always wins. Lot of grinding to be down literally just the rake of $15.Overall I think I like them and was literally bad beated so many times I cant even count so if I would run 'normal' I think these may be profitable for me.Would like to get a few hundred in before I make assumptions.

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I'm fairly new to Pokerstars (and newly registered to FCP even though I read the forum for a long time already), but I've also played a bunch of these as a way to build my bankroll. I enjoy real tournaments more, mostly the 180 man 4.4$ but they take a long time and when I don't have that amount of free time I often play turbo double or nothing's. (turbo's are faster so less boring and less rake which makes a large diffrence for these games imo)I started on stars with only 126$ and didn't want to take any risks so started with the 1.1$'sMy plan was playing 1.1$'s untill i made 5$ profit on them and then use that to play a 5.2$ one... if that one failed I grinded the 1.1$'s again to make a new 5$ profit.that plan worked ... eventually.... as I'm now playing 5.2$ turbo's (4 at a time is what I feel comftable with currently.)I'm 191/325 in total (58.7%)and 58/99 on the 5.2$ (58.5%)which is 82.6$ profit so far. Not much for most of you here but as I started 1 month ago with a 126$ bankroll it's very welcome. Not sure yet at what point i'll try to move up to the 10$ turbo's.My current bankroll is 520$, So I made more profit with tournaments but also put more time in them so on the big question on which one would be most profitable in profit/hour statistics i have to say ..... I don't have a clue which one would be best :PWeandago.-x-x-x-x-x-Some more statistics/details for the people interested:started out 20/32 = 62.5% = 4.8$ profitthen went on a very bad run with my all-time low point at 34/71 = 47.8% or 10.1$ losssome newbie mistakes and many bad beats so I kept confidence and continued playing till 68/116 = 58.6% and 8.4$ profitplayed my first one of 5.2$ then which I lost, so I was bad to grinding the 1.1$'s. It took me till 98/170 = 57.9% before I was back at 6$ profit and could try a new 5.2$ which failed again!so grinding till 127/218 = 58.25% = 6$ profit for my third try at a 5.2$ turbo.then finally I succeeded. That took my profit to 10.8$ so I could play two 5.2$ at once.it took some tries where I won only 1 of the two... but eventually I won six in a row and i have been playing them with 4 at a time since then.
Very helpful post. I have about the same experience with the double or nothing tourneys. I play the 10.80 (non turbo). I built up a respectable roll and after going on two 6 cashes. Then went on a terrible run of playing 3 or 4 at a time. I made the mistake of moving up to the 20 dollar double or nothing on a weekend and the my roll got hit hard. I generally stay away from turbo style sng's but these double or nothing ones may give you more return on your money and time. The thing that really cuts into the profit on these is the rake. I have learned from my mistakes with the double or nothings and am planning on making another run at them.
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Decided to try these last night for first time.Played first one as regular $10+$0.80 and won that, but realized it lasted way to long.So played 29 of the $10+$0.40's turbos (won 12, lost 17 (bubbled 7 times in 6th, sooo frustrating) and 4 of the $20+$0.80 turbos (won 3, lost 1)Total of 34 games last night, won 16, lost 18; the rake always wins. Lot of grinding to be down literally just the rake of $15.Overall I think I like them and was literally bad beated so many times I cant even count so if I would run 'normal' I think these may be profitable for me.Would like to get a few hundred in before I make assumptions.
I have played about 80 of these and have noticed the same thing. I am thinking of trying the turbos just so I get more return on my money or loss of money. Compared to the non turbos how long do the turbos take?
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I have played about 80 of these and have noticed the same thing. I am thinking of trying the turbos just so I get more return on my money or loss of money. Compared to the non turbos how long do the turbos take?
ive only played these for 2 sessions, total of 64 and am showing a loss, 28 wins, 36 losses, but 3 of my wins were at double the stakes so im technically only down 6 buys, 43% or so. I know I have bubbled at least 12 times so if I could have even taken half of those bubbles into wins would be at 50% which is still not enough to beat the rake. 64 is a VERY small sample size, but I may put a few more days of these in and get up to 200 - 300 to see what my roi looks like then
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I just started out using Holdem Manager....I hope that will help me find some leaks in the games of $20.8 regulars ... which I can't keep track of manually while playing on too many tables.I figure steal statistics are important to look at (both how much he does it and how often he defends against them), but i'm not sure how relevant these really are afterall people play completely different according to chip stacks/nr of people on the table and how high the blinds are.So any people here who are used to using tracking software in DoN's with some advice? :club:

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I just started out using Holdem Manager....I hope that will help me find some leaks in the games of $20.8 regulars ... which I can't keep track of manually while playing on too many tables.I figure steal statistics are important to look at (both how much he does it and how often he defends against them), but i'm not sure how relevant these really are afterall people play completely different according to chip stacks/nr of people on the table and how high the blinds are.So any poeple here who are used to using tracking software in DoN's with some advice? :club:
I don't think tracking software is relevant in sng's or even MTT's. I think a lot of the mtt guys use poker tracker with poker ace hud and just track the last 20 hands or something. Filtering this way keeps the stats current to the blind level they're at. It's incredibly awesome in cash games though.
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hmm what is your move herePokerStars Game #24550958438: Tournament #138219642, $20.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/02/03 1:57:27 PT [2009/02/03 4:57:27 ET]Table '138219642 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 2: BENVIE1 (1975 in chips) Seat 3: toshfcp (1515 in chips) Seat 5: MikeXXM (2890 in chips) Seat 6: mrx301 (1645 in chips) Seat 7: Tobo84 (1370 in chips) Seat 8: Jammie1211 (2635 in chips) Seat 10: Jmorenomor (2970 in chips) mrx301: posts small blind 15Tobo84: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to toshfcp [Jc Ac]Jammie1211: calls 30Jmorenomor: folds BENVIE1: folds toshfcp: calls 30MikeXXM: folds mrx301: calls 15Tobo84: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 5d Jh]mrx301: checks Tobo84: checks Jammie1211: bets 570toshfcp: ??

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hmm what is your move herePokerStars Game #24550958438: Tournament #138219642, $20.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/02/03 1:57:27 PT [2009/02/03 4:57:27 ET]Table '138219642 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 2: BENVIE1 (1975 in chips) Seat 3: toshfcp (1515 in chips) Seat 5: MikeXXM (2890 in chips) Seat 6: mrx301 (1645 in chips) Seat 7: Tobo84 (1370 in chips) Seat 8: Jammie1211 (2635 in chips) Seat 10: Jmorenomor (2970 in chips) mrx301: posts small blind 15Tobo84: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to toshfcp [Jc Ac]Jammie1211: calls 30Jmorenomor: folds BENVIE1: folds toshfcp: calls 30MikeXXM: folds mrx301: calls 15Tobo84: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 5d Jh]mrx301: checks Tobo84: checks Jammie1211: bets 570toshfcp: ??
i'd shove, he cant be too strong imo. I think he has some type of draw fd or sd. Just gotta hooold.
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hmm what is your move herePokerStars Game #24550958438: Tournament #138219642, $20.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/02/03 1:57:27 PT [2009/02/03 4:57:27 ET]Table '138219642 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 2: BENVIE1 (1975 in chips) Seat 3: toshfcp (1515 in chips) Seat 5: MikeXXM (2890 in chips) Seat 6: mrx301 (1645 in chips) Seat 7: Tobo84 (1370 in chips) Seat 8: Jammie1211 (2635 in chips) Seat 10: Jmorenomor (2970 in chips) mrx301: posts small blind 15Tobo84: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to toshfcp [Jc Ac]Jammie1211: calls 30Jmorenomor: folds BENVIE1: folds toshfcp: calls 30MikeXXM: folds mrx301: calls 15Tobo84: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 5d Jh]mrx301: checks Tobo84: checks Jammie1211: bets 570toshfcp: ??
This is never a consistent line. Some donks overbet to trap, and some do it to bluff. His limp and overbet is very suspicious though. It's too early and I doubt you have fold equity vs this guy. It smells like he hates his hand but we only have 30 chips invested.I raise to 90 p/f in this situation ever time. At the 25/50 level, I start min raising but not at this level. This may fold the blinds and get hu with the open limper. If the limper has a monster, they will usually r/r and we can bail. Meh, there's other reasons but limping here is something I wouldn't do, imo.
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That was worth the read. This kind of surprised me:- Have enough buy-ins in your bankroll to play your game comfortably. For professionals, that's about 40 buy-ins and for recreational players who can easily replenish their bankroll, that's about 20 buy-ins.
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I ran like 46 wins/ 54 losses on the $10.40 turbos.Currently 8 wins/ 4 losses in the $20.80 turbosGonna play about 90 more of the $20s over the next week or two and see what the end result looks like.

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I ran like 46 wins/ 54 losses on the $10.40 turbos.Currently 8 wins/ 4 losses in the $20.80 turbosGonna play about 90 more of the $20s over the next week or two and see what the end result looks like.
You must be running super bad in these to lose over that sample size in the $10's. yuck
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You must be running super bad in these to lose over that sample size in the $10's. yuck
first 15-20 or so i would write off as learning the DoN system and adjusting from trying to win versus 'place'.I know I finished 6th, bubbled, in at least 15 of them as well.
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!#$%@%$^@$%@$%KK<QQ AIPFAA<66 AIPFQQ<KJ J high flopplayed 6 more of the $20.80s, won 3, lost 3 and all 3 I lost as HUGE favorites, 2 over pair versus under pair and 1 3 outter, frustrating.11 wins, 7 losses in the $20s so far .... 82 to go before I make a decision on these!

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So I've been observing the $52's before I started playing them and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of value there, and it definitely seems like there is some colluding going on in those as well. Anyone else played these and has any thoughts?
I haven't played this level but you bring up something I've thought a little about w/r/t collusion. I think it's harder for Stars to detect in the dbls generally. Especially as the player pool gets smaller with larger buyins. You'll find a lot of the same players at the same tables which is the first thing they look for in collusion cases. The stack/blind/position/#Players to cash ratios are so far removed from regular sng's or MTT's. The think is, I can't imagine anyone colluding and being profitable with this type of payout.I wouldn't think you'll find a whole lot of soft spots in the $52's but I could be very wrong. If you see something fishy going on between 2 players, just email support and they will investigate.
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The thing is, I can't imagine anyone colluding and being profitable with this type of payout.I wouldn't think you'll find a whole lot of soft spots in the $52's but I could be very wrong.
That's what I think too, but I'm fairly (farely?) sure it's going on there. The thing is, like what you said the player pool is smaller and I think it would be difficult to prove without a doubt, b/c the correct plays in these are really unorthodox compared to normal poker. You would have to get a pretty large sample of colluding to prove that there were some people doing it.Ya there's a large % of winning players playing the $52's. Personally I think I'm going to stay at the $20's, start 12-tabling and maintain the winning over 60%, and accomplish the same thing.
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PokerStars Game #25167630227: Tournament #142386535, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/02/20 15:38:27 PT [2009/02/20 18:38:27 ET]Table '142386535 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: Mimiraiko (1540 in chips) Seat 2: Robbin_Huud (1360 in chips) Seat 3: djt5483 (1190 in chips) Seat 4: IzacStar (880 in chips) Seat 5: cbzdmh (1300 in chips) Seat 6: edrich (1490 in chips) Seat 7: wingnut44 (1465 in chips) Seat 8: PauliKK (1915 in chips) Seat 9: toshfcp (1425 in chips) Seat 10: TimmyB6533 (2435 in chips) Mimiraiko: posts the ante 5Robbin_Huud: posts the ante 5djt5483: posts the ante 5IzacStar: posts the ante 5cbzdmh: posts the ante 5edrich: posts the ante 5wingnut44: posts the ante 5PauliKK: posts the ante 5toshfcp: posts the ante 5TimmyB6533: posts the ante 5Mimiraiko: posts small blind 25Robbin_Huud: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to toshfcp [Jh Jd]djt5483: folds IzacStar: folds cbzdmh: calls 50edrich: folds wingnut44: folds PauliKK: folds toshfcp: raises 150 to 200TimmyB6533: folds Mimiraiko: raises 1335 to 1535 and is all-inRobbin_Huud: folds cbzdmh: folds ????

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