String Raise?

[midasmouse 0]

This happened the other night at a home tourney. What would YOUR ruling be?Action folded to me in middle position. I announced "raise", then put out enough chips to exactly cover the BB. I then went back for chips as I decided how much to raise. OK... I know that I can't say, "I'll call your... and raise you..." but I announced raise.I know that had I put in any more than the BB, I would not be allowed to add to that, but I put in exactly the BB, so it was obvious that I was still contemplating how much to raise.At no point did I announce how much my raise would be. I was promptly scolded for a 'string raise.' The players said all chips had to go into the pot at one time.Now, I just got done watching some poker on TV, and twice I saw these pros do the exact same thing-- Announce raise, put in enough to call the current bet, then reach for the chips for their raise... and all the raise chips went in at once.I hope I explained it well. Let me know what you think or if I need to answer any questions. We had a good discussion at the game, but it was my friend's place, so I backed off.

[Suited_Up 2]

If you say Raise... then you get to raise.Your friends are idiots.

[midasmouse 0]

Oh... since I said "raise", they made me put in a min raise. Forgot that.

[Gary212121 0]

string bet = NO

[DmsTips 0]

friends are wrong, your're allowed to do that.

[Royal_Tour 0]

besides the fact that its a home game, to avoid future confusion, even when you annouce raise... Dont bother putting chips across the line until you're ready.why u felt the need to put out your BB??

[DonkSlayer 1]

why u felt the need to put out your BB??

Meh I think it's unnecessary to do it but it's not really wrong, just different. Your friends are wrong in most cases, but sometimes it's not worth the argument, so just tell them they're gonna do something like drop chips using a big stack when they want to raise in a casino tourney, and follow the rules from now on.

[Byan_Railey 0]

Most Pros put in the initial call after announcing a raise so they can see the total amount in the pot before deciding on an exact amount. You often here them ask the dealer to "spread that out" or "pool that together". They may have a specific pot % raise in mind.You did nothing wrong. The raise amount needs to go in all at once but it sounds like you did that.

[mtdesmoines 3]

This happened the other night at a home tourney. What would YOUR ruling be?Action folded to me in middle position. I announced "raise", then put out enough chips to exactly cover the BB. I then went back for chips as I decided how much to raise. ...I was promptly scolded for a 'string raise.' The players said all chips had to go into the pot at one time....Now, I just got done watching some poker on TV, and twice I saw these pros do the exact same thing-- ...We had a good discussion at the game, but it was my friend's place, so I backed off.

When you announce raise you get to raise. However, I only push the chips I'm betting across the line when I have my entire bet assembled. If there's not a line, I make it clear all night that I have a working space and a betting space. I work in my working space and ALL my bets, blinds and antes go into my betting space. Friends or not, clarity is the key.

[Dogpatch 2]

What you did is perfectly acceptable. As long as you announced "raise" nice and clear for everyone to hear. It actually avoids confusion when you announce raise, make the pot right and then make your raise. Just be sure that the raise is put in in one motion. (Sounds like you did it right.) If you were to just say raise and announce an amount, you could be forced to add that amount to the BB instead of the BB being included... so I think getting the blind out of the way first makes the most sense.

[Wandigo 1]

Can I come play a game with your friends?

[Mercury69 3]

If you say Raise... then you get to raise.Your friends are idiots.

QFMFT

[semaj550 0]

Yep, your friends are 100% wrong.After announcing raise if you put anything between 0-BB into the pot you may still raise any amount you like. If you put anything between the 1xBB-2xBB your raise is to 2xBB, period. If you put anything above 2xBB that's your total bet.To be safe, it's always safest to verbally announce your raise so that you don't acidentally put out more/fewer chips than intended. It's not uncommon at all to announce raise, put out enough chips to match the previous bet, and then have the dealer pull in all the chips. Since you were preflop the chips wouldn't be pulled in but it does help with the math to get the BB out of your stack first.You still had both the right and obligation to put in a raise.

[RayPowers 0]

Oh... since I said "raise", they made me put in a min raise. Forgot that.

This was obviously some form of hazing incident and you fell for it.Ray

[MasterLJ 0]

Home games are stupid when it comes to rules.In my last home game I played in regularly, you could raise whatever you wanted.So if the bet was 100, the next guy could make it 105, and the next guy could make it 110, etc etc.Moral of the story, home games are stupid and so are your friends. So long as you did not put any more in the pot initially than whatever it cost to call, you can raise.

[FourFlusher 0]

I think there was a time when you had to make your total bet in one forward motion, now, you can do it in two.

[MasterLJ 0]

I think there was a time when you had to make your total bet in one forward motion, now, you can do it in two.

Not if you announce a raise and one of your motions is to match the current bet.

[Royal_Tour 0]

this thread is broccoli.I always say "I call your bet, and I raise you......"just like the movies.no sw.

[Dogpatch 2]

Not if you announce a raise and one of your motions is to match the current bet.

Correct. Matching the current bet is not part of the motion of the player making the raise. (Yes, it IS a motion. Don't get in a tizzy, it just doesn't count as part of the "in one motion" rule.)

[7s7c 0]

this thread is broccoli.I always say "I call your bet, and I raise you......"just like the movies.no sw.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLggLike Shaderick or MavshadeI had the deed to my house in play the other day when I was called and subsequently raised. Thankfully I hit the heart on the end and the orphange got built.

[channjalen2003 0]

this thread is broccoli.I always say "I call your bet, and I raise you......"just like the movies.no sw.

I like chopping brocoli

[FatBurger 0]

Oh... since I said "raise", they made me put in a min raise. Forgot that.

Just as a side note: if you say raise, put out the call amount (as you did), then put out less than a full raise, you are often required to make just the minimum raise. So that rule does exist, but is used in a different circumstance.E.g. BB is 50, you say "raise", put out 50, then put out 10 (intending to put out more).

[Dogpatch 2]

Just as a side note: if you say raise, put out the call amount (as you did), then put out less than a full raise, you are often required to make just the minimum raise. So that rule does exist, but is used in a different circumstance.E.g. BB is 50, you say "raise", put out 50, then put out 10 (intending to put out more).

Yup, once you say raise, you are required to make at least the min. raise. Perhaps the OP's friends miscounted his chips.

[goose023 0]

This might help

Placing Your Raise Into the PotThere are also rules about how you must place your chips into the pot when you make a raise. The rules differ, depending on whether you are playing in a cash game or a tournament.Robert's Rules - Section 3 - Betting & Raising6. At non-tournament play, a player who says "raise" is allowed to continue putting chips into the pot with more than one move; the wager is assumed complete when the player’s hands come to rest outside the pot area. (This rule is used because no-limit play may require a large number of chips be put into the pot.) In tournament play, the TDA rules require that the player either use a verbal statement giving the amount of the raise or put the chips into the pot in a single motion, to avoid making a string-bet.Robert's Rules - Section 15 - Tournaments24. At pot-limit and no-limit play, the player must either use a verbal statement giving the amount of the raise or put the chips into the pot in a single motion. Otherwise, it is a string bet.When playing tournament poker, you have two choices when raising ...You can verbally state the amount of your raise - "I raise to $2000". You may then make numerous forward motions with your hands. You may place $100 worth of chips into the pot, then another $1000 in chips into the pot, and finally another $900 in chips into the pot to complete your raise to $2,000.If you verbally state "raise" without stating an amount, or if you don't say anything and instead simply move poker chips into the pot - you must place all your chips (your entire raise) into the pot in one forward motion, you cannot make more than one forward motion with your hands.What is 'forward motion'?A betting line is a line that is painted on the poker table felt about 6-12 inches in front of each player. Any poker chips that a player moves past the betting line are considered to be part of a bet and are now in the pot. Most poker tables do not display the betting line and on racetrack poker tables, the betting line is sometimes considered to be where the wood meets the poker cloth.On tables that do not show a betting line, any chips that are moved in a forward motion towards the pot are considered to be part of a bet and are now in the pot. Every player has personal space on the table directly in front of his seat. You may place chips from your main stack into your personal space and then stack and move chips back and forth between your main stack and the chips in your personal space - but as soon as you make a forward motion from your personal space, your chips are considered to be in the pot.Exception: A player will sometimes announce raise and then move forward only enough chips to cover the amount needed to call. The dealer will then scoop every player's call chips into the pot. The raising player must then place additional chips into the pot, equal to the amount of his raise. This 'double forward motion' makes it easier for the dealer to keep track of the chips in the pot.

[Dogpatch 2]

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The "exception" at the end there is what I consider the rule. I'm a novice wannabe dealer (and tournament director) and I consider that the best option. Putting in the chips to make the pot right first is not part of your bet, therefore it is not part of your one forward motion. I say raise, make the pot right, the chips get dragged (if I'm last to act before the original raiser) then I make my raise. This is in no way ambigous since I made it clear that I intended to raise. I'm not string raising because I have placed no part of my raise into the pot.