Nealyh_02 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Was playing in a MTT tournament...was very early in the game and the small stack goes all in for 650 I have about 5,000 and I look down from the small blind and have AK not suited.. I try and isolate the all in by betting about 1000 over the 650 all in...the big blind calls ( he has about the same amount as I do). so there is approxiamately 4,000 in the pot. The flop comes all spades. I hit an ace but have no spades.. I check..the big blind checks....the next card come up a a low heart...I check..the big blind checks. The river comes another spade...I know that between the all in and the big blind I am probable beat if I just check. I decided to just take a stab at the pot and bet abother 1,000. The big blind folds and the all in flips over 9 of spades and wins the side pot about 1900.. I take the rest which is the about 2,100. I big blinds gets very upset and doesnt know why I didnt check it down. He claims that he had the 10 of spade, but was checking it down and I should not have made the attempt to steal the pot. I think since there was more money in the side pot...It was okay to try and steal the pot...am I right? Link to post Share on other sites
ricker 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 When it's early in Tourneys, I don't worry about the unspoken alliance that goes on in tourneys. If you're getting close to the money you should ABSOLUTELY check it down to try and take out a player. However, if it's early in the tourney, it's every man for himself still as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 there should be no ethics in dry-side bluffing.if you feel it is the correct move, for you, in terms of chips and also the payout structure, then you should push all-in with 4 high on the bubble. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I would have just bet the flop and you probably wouldn't have heard a complaint from your opponent if you had. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 In this case, there was actually a sidepot, so it wasn't a dry-side bluff.Also, it was early, so who cares?- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 As an aside, i really like how you checked it down when you COULD have protected your hand, and then bluffed the river into a mostly dry sidepot with a hand where most better hands call and almost all worse hands fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 As an aside, ...........better hands call and almost all worse hands fold. He's an Asshole.... but I agree. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Also I should add this is not even a dry side pot. There's money in the side pot, which means you should be betting your hand and protecting it. Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I think since there was more money in the side pot...It was okay to try and steal the pot...am I right?you're righti don't like the attempt, but if you can bluff him off the side pot, yes, you're right to do so with money in the side pot. Link to post Share on other sites
AceyDeucy 0 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 A few points:This is not a dry side pot. There is money in there that you can easily turn into dead money for yourself. The fact that there is money in there changes everything.Look, poker is NOT a team sport, plain and simple. You do what is best for you and you count on others doing what is best for them, right? The point of why the dry side pot bluff is stupid is that you are screwing yourself IN ADDITION to everyone else (as opposed to actual good moves, where you are not getting a sharp one). There is no "ethic" about checking down on an all-in. In fact, if you read Roberts Rules, it is specifically illegal for poker players to discuss doing such. The so-called ethic is unspoken, because if it is spoken everyone will get penalized!There was money out there for you, and in fact, there was more money in the side pot than the main pot. You are better off winning the side and letting the all-in guy triple up, than letting the all-in bust out and this other schmuck cash in. Personally, I would have viewed it as less ethical to checked through, because I am always suspcious of hte player who is not trying his best to win. It's wrong to let a sucker keep his money, and all.NOW, if that side pot is dry, this whole thing changes. But it wasn't, so those rules don't apply, at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Nealyh_02 0 Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 He's an Asshole.... but I agree.whos an *******? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 whos an *******?abbaddabbaddooooooin a teasing kinda way.... Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I agree as well. I'd bet out that flop all day long and twice on Sunday. I generally don't assume someone flopped a flush until they start betting like it. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 The guy who yelled at you is an idiot. When there is no "meat" in a pot, a dry side pot bluff is usually pretty stupid. However, since there was a substancial amount in the side pot your bet improves YOUR chances of winning the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 The guy who yelled at you is an idiot. When there is no "meat" in a pot, a dry side pot bluff is usually pretty stupid. However, since there was a substancial amount in the side pot your bet improves YOUR chances of winning the tournament.I concur. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 I concur.I agree with you concurrance Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 On a side note, why not bet the flop or turn in case BB has a single spade? Your hand is probably good, protect your hand for the money in the sidepot. Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 you said early in a tournament, at this point your goal is to accumalate chips not gang up on small stacks. you made the right move obviously imo. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Checking the flop here is bad. Checking the turn is terrible.I really don't care much either way about the river, but of all the streets, that's the one where a bet is the least useful. Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 On a side note, why not bet the flop or turn in case BB has a single spade? Your hand is probably good, protect your hand for the money in the sidepot. Link to post Share on other sites
checksy 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Was playing in a MTT tournament...was very early in the game and the small stack goes all in for 650 I have about 5,000 and I look down from the small blind and have AK not suited.. I try and isolate the all in by betting about 1000 over the 650 all in...the big blind calls ( he has about the same amount as I do). so there is approxiamately 4,000 in the pot. The flop comes all spades. I hit an ace but have no spades.. I check..the big blind checks....the next card come up a a low heart...I check..the big blind checks. The river comes another spade...I know that between the all in and the big blind I am probable beat if I just check. I decided to just take a stab at the pot and bet abother 1,000. The big blind folds and the all in flips over 9 of spades and wins the side pot about 1900.. I take the rest which is the about 2,100. I big blinds gets very upset and doesnt know why I didnt check it down. He claims that he had the 10 of spade, but was checking it down and I should not have made the attempt to steal the pot. I think since there was more money in the side pot...It was okay to try and steal the pot...am I right?hes a poor loser and you played very well im my opinion Link to post Share on other sites
cu in 4years Dan 1 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 i dont know what everyone else said im not reading them alli say that there was enough money in the pot for you to take a stab.its early and if you dont win the chips then some1 else will. Link to post Share on other sites
seemorenuts 0 Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 There are two reasons to bet (even into a dry side pot):1. There are cards still to come2. You have a chance at winning.So what you did was fine.(above is from Sklansky) Link to post Share on other sites
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