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Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Mar 30 2000-4000 5.5 + 25,300Apr 9 100-200 NL 1.5 + 1,200Apr 15 2000-4000 3 + 78,000Apr 16 4000-8000 6 +120,000April 29 80-160 5 + 5,200May 1 40-80 1 + 1,400May 4 80-160 .5 + 700Oct 10 5-10 NL 1.5 + 3,700Oct 19 4000-8000 8 - 4,000Oct 20 400-800 1 + 1,600Oct 20 2000-4000 1 - 25,100Oct 20 4000-8000 10.5 - 127,000Oct 22 2000-4000 5 +165,500Oct 26 2000-4000 13 + 8,500Oct 28 2000-4000 5.5 - 105,500Oct 30 2000-4000 6 + 128,500Nov 2 300-600 NL 8 - 214,400Nov 3 300-600 NL 8 - 447,100Nov 4 300-600 NL 8 + 347,400Nov 16 2000-4000 10 + 207,500Dec 14 2000-4000 5 - 142,000Dec 14 4000-8000 13 + 148,000Dec 19 300-600 0.5 - 3,900Dec 19 400-800 1 + 10,500Dec 21 2000-4000 4 + 24,000Totals 192 + 313,100Hourly Rate= $1630.73PROPS: -$81,000

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Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Totals 61.5 +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94
I was just reading Phil Gordon's book and it said that you 4K/8K players may only be trying to make 1/10 to 1/4 of a big bet per hour. Would you say that's about accurate over the long haul?
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Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party. :D

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Date         Limit               Hours   ResultFeb 6       1500-3000   7             +45,600Feb 21    4000-8000   8            -251,000Feb 22    4000-8000   8            -190,000Feb 26    4000-8000   5           +598,000Mar 1      4000-8000   31          -114,000Mar 18   2000-4000   2.5        +  16,500Totals                               61.5     +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94
:shock: Peanuts.....I guess you don't have the stomach to play in my Saturday Night Home Games....Give me a call when you move up in limits.......BTW Daniel, thank you for turning me on to Triple Draw....It just might be the end of my mental health.
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Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party. :D
What figures are you talking about?
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Those figures are a joke. Everybody on the net makes more by 400-tabling the $3/$6 game at Party. :D
What figures are you talking about?
Daniel's figures. I was joking......
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i just wanna let u know its really cool you are posting this stuff DN, since all we fans get is hearsay. it would be cool if you posted like who was the big winner for each session in the big game too.

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Daniel, just wondering if you're gonna make it a point to play more cash games when the new Casino opens up(or if you have some kinda time goals you have to play for the casino). Any other of the big game players gonna play there, or will it probably just be you?

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Date Limit Hours ResultFeb 6 1500-3000 7 +45,600Feb 21 4000-8000 8 -251,000Feb 22 4000-8000 8 -190,000Feb 26 4000-8000 5 +598,000Mar 1 4000-8000 31 -114,000Mar 18 2000-4000 2.5 + 16,500Totals 61.5 +105,100Hourly Rate= $1708.94
Granted, the sample size is too small, but dividing this data into limits, you get:1500-3000 $6,514.29/hr.2000-4000 $6,600.00/hr.4000-8000 $826.92/hr. Playing in the biggest game just looks like a bad idea: You're risking too much to win too little, whereas you can risk less and win more in the slightly smaller games. Anyway, I guess it's not always about money.
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Daniel, I realize you may not be able to do this due to privacy concerns, but it would be great if you could post a sample hand or two from every session. I really enjoyed reading that Omaha hand in a past journal (even if Gus' play was a little bewildering). Thanks

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thanks daniel for giving us a glipse inside ultra high limit games. A couple of questions.1) without naming names, are they players who are consistant losers in the 4k/8k game?2) How often do rich tourist (players who are not world class) buy in and sit in the ultrahigh games?

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Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already  :)
I think he only plays 8+ hours because he's already stuck. I and most poker players have been known to do that from time to time as well.
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Granted, the sample size is too small, but dividing this data into limits, you get:1500-3000     $6,514.29/hr.2000-4000     $6,600.00/hr.4000-8000     $826.92/hr.  Playing in the biggest game just looks like a bad idea:  You're risking too much to win too little, whereas you can risk less and win more in the slightly smaller games.  Anyway, I guess it's not always about money.
The thing is this is the same game. There is rarely a 2000-4000 game running next to a 4000-8000 game if ever. It's all the "big game" they drop the stakes to accomodate some players at times.
Frills   Posted:    Stay to 5-7 hour sessions, when you go 8+ you lose, but I'm guessing you knew that already
He's told us about the longest of the sessions, and he was stuck over a mil at one point. I have a feeling the losing sessions are longer for that reason....he's stuck and trying to get even.
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Daniel I am only 14 years old,but I think I am very good for my age even though I am up only about 600 dollars in poker for the year.I just wanted to ask you a question, do you think you are beter at no limit or limit poker?And, Do you think you have made more in tournaments or cash games.Your recent win at the 2004 Borgota Open made you 1million+ dollars alone.I think you are a great player.Good luck in future tournys.

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......does anyone else realize how cool this is? Even ten years ago, this would be impossible to see?Thanks, Daniel. I know I'm not gonna be playing 4k/8k ever, but it's very interesting to get a realistic look at the experience.

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I have to say, I just saw a commercial with Steve Wynn standing on top of his new casino and all I can say is WOW. It looks amazing, so Daniel can you hook us up with reduced roomrates :wink: :D

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I have to say, I just saw a commercial with Steve Wynn standing on top of his new casino and all I can say is WOW. It looks amazing, so Daniel can you hook us up with reduced roomrates :wink: :D
From an Architectural point of view, it looks like a big piece of brown crap. I thought it would be a lot nicer on the outside. I'm sure it will look a lot nicer on the inside than the outside and will offer great service to make up for it. 99% of people don't care what it looks like from an Architectural point of view anyway.
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Piece of brown crap?What do you really feel?Oh, and it's vegas...outside architecture has to be important with all of the theme casinos.MGM Grand, Bellagio, and the Palms also look tremendous from the exteriorWynn isn't that bad from the outside :PThough it doesn't catch your eye as nicely as a lot of the other casinos

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