mjy888 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I'm sure this has been all discussed before...but anyways, does anyone else agree on the following things about the first big hand that blew away Mike in Rounders againsts KGB?1. Mike raises to $150 on the button (it looked to be 3x bb?) with a modestly good hand . He gets called. Thus we can assume KGB has a semi-decent hand. 2. Flop comes A98 with two spades. Mike flops two pair and bets $2000. This would have been literally 2x the pot of about $1025. Ok, that's fine that he overbet the pot, but already suspicious. A) who bets $2k on a $1k pot. B) mike should've realized HE GOT CALLED for $2k. WAKE UP. THen he thinks KGB is on a flush draw?? Ok, who calls 2x the pot for a flush draw. Then, if the dude called, we can assume he's at least got a GOOD HAND, with possibly more outs than just a flush draw, or hmm, how about A MADE HAND already?? KGB could have had pocket 8s, pocket 9s, or even pocket aces here...3. turn comes 9 to fill up mike. check check. ok...great, he wants kgb to make his flush, ok that's fine, i can see the logic there. 4. spade comes on the river. so KGB bets $15k into a pot that is only about $5025. already a suspicous bet....so who cares, ok, so Mikey....WITHOUT the nuts (99) and not even the SECOND nuts (AA)..lo and behold with re-raises ALL IN for another $33000 with a very strong hand but nowhere near worth ALL IN for that much more because if he gets called, he's going to be beat. ok duh mikey, if the dude calls you he's got more than a fkn flush with the board paired. why didn't he just call? and depending on how much KGB had in front of him, he might consider a raise to put him all in only if he didn't have that much more. STUPID RERAISE ALL IN!! i know it's a movie and easier from outside but i just dont understand mike's putting him on a flush draw on an over bet of the pot and i don't understand the reraise all in. a call would have been fine.Any thoughts?? Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Pay that man his money! Link to post Share on other sites
Golden 2 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I prefer to take Rounders on the entertainment value, but kudos on the hand analysis. Link to post Share on other sites
InertGrudge 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I promise you every single hand in Rounders has been examined ad nauseum on this forum. Search function is your friend. Link to post Share on other sites
bdams19 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 TP?MMsurprised no one said it yet. Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 lock Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 The whole point of the movie is that Mike played the hand like a donk and lost his bankroll. The movie makes this point explicitly. Link to post Share on other sites
chaosnhavoc 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I promise you every single hand in Rounders has been examined ad nauseum on this forum. Â Search function is your friend.can I do it now? MY FIRST ZIIIING.. Did I get it right?Did I?Did I? Link to post Share on other sites
nails 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 It's a frickin movie! Link to post Share on other sites
mjy888 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 True true, gotta agree with that. he did play like a donk and thus deserved to lose it. but part of the movie also seems to portray that Mike thinks he's a freaking awesome player and 'outplayed' johnny chan at the table and had nothing (which they didn't describe that hand that much)...how mike can read everyone, brags to the professor that he can play without even looking at cards....ok well true then, yea it shows what happens if you're a donk. lose it like a donk. but he portrats himself like a 'shark' sitting at the Taj beating tourists. well sharks don't play like donks in general. yea. just voicing it, but yea entertainment value indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
chaosnhavoc 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 It's a frickin movie!Now we can lock it up.... This one is heading to the OTC... Link to post Share on other sites
bcook823 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 the collectors edition has commentary by Hellmuth and ChanBoth said losing your whole roll with a A9 is unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites
bcook823 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 the collectors edition has commentary by Hellmuth and ChanBoth said losing your whole roll with a A9 is unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites
A_Bullets_A 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Ever listen to the commentary on the DVD? It has Johnny Chan, Chris Fergusen, Phil Hellmuth, and Chris Moneymaker. They all said they'd go broke on that hand too. I guess you're better than them though. TP/MM. Link to post Share on other sites
thehidden 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I promise you every single hand in Rounders has been examined ad nauseum on this forum. Â Search function is your friend.can I do it now? MY FIRST ZIIIING.. Did I get it right?Did I?Did I?you zinged him right in the zinger!! awsome job!!as for the hands i like the entertainment value comment. But also you say think logically...well he wasn't that was the whole plot line, he didn't think correct and that's what put him off the game, didn't leave himself outs! hello plot builder!!Me Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 This reminds me of the first time I noticed corn in my poop. Link to post Share on other sites
Golden 2 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 It's a frickin movie!Now we can lock it up.... This one is heading to the OTC...+1 Link to post Share on other sites
NortonFan 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 This reminds me of the first time I noticed corn in my poop.Are the other times not as memorable? Link to post Share on other sites
BIG_L_RIP 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I like his coming over the top of Chan preflop in a 300/600 limit game. Link to post Share on other sites
realdeal515 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I like in the last game with 25/50 blinds he raises 20 times the bigblind on the first hand. Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Obviously they portrayed Mike as a talented player, but everyone sometimes has a brain cramp and plays a hand like a donk. Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 how the hell did the ****ing monitor thread get moved and this is still here and not locked up? Link to post Share on other sites
chaosnhavoc 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 how the hell did the censored monitor thread get moved and this is still here and not locked up?Yeah WTF... Link to post Share on other sites
DrLongstack 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 when you have a full house heads up with a full draw on the baord, you are a donkey. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Pay that man his money!best 1st response to this thread!!5 gold stars! Link to post Share on other sites
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