official kidpoker vs. dreamclown thread

[mb5322 0]

I can't wait till the next match and am extremely confident DN is outmatched. I just wish I could take a bigger cut of the game :(also, "This guy is going to end up like Nick the Greek playing 2-4 limit trying to rebuild after scratching his head and saying, "why the f did I play Daniel N headsup for my entire bankroll?" "can who ever posted that plaease give me the link to more info about this or explain what happened? Was this "the Greek" from prima who lives in Mass?he was always so careful and tight in the nl games he played and I met him in the PL holdem Ireland tourney.-Eugene

Holy shit you really don't know who Nick the Greek is??????or never hear about the legendary match he played for I think 4 straight months at binions and lost I think around 2 million.

[matthew r 0]

nick the greek and johnny moss in the lobby of the horseshoe, no?im no historian...

[JMotrain 0]

I can't wait till the next match and am extremely confident DN is outmatched. I just wish I could take a bigger cut of the game :(also, "This guy is going to end up like Nick the Greek playing 2-4 limit trying to rebuild after scratching his head and saying, "why the f did I play Daniel N headsup for my entire bankroll?" "can who ever posted that plaease give me the link to more info about this or explain what happened? Was this "the Greek" from prima who lives in Mass?he was always so careful and tight in the nl games he played and I met him in the PL holdem Ireland tourney.-Eugene

Nick the Greek played Johnny Moss headsup back in the 1950's, which is I believe considered the first wsop? Anyways, they played 5 card stud headsup for several months, until Johnny Moss finally cleaned him out for what is said to be ten million dollars in today's money. He was clearly overmatched, but he allowed his ego to take power over his better judgement. He ended up broke playing down in California somewhere for extremely low stakes. He died broke. If you want to learn more about it, get McManus' book "positively fifth street".

[eugeneelGCC 0]

lol was thinking of someone else, now it all makes sence . Tired of being at my computer too long.-E

[SuM827 0]

Look...i will elaborate.....Either DreamClown is re-writing the book of good HU limit play and he is on to something...(We shall se in the long run I guess).....OR He is technically flawed.Of what has been described, He just throws away bets to set up a string where he will change gears.....and if a card rush coincides with the change of gears...it is LIGHTS OUT!!!.....if the cards don't come...it looks very transparent....His style....for lack of a better word....is WIERD.

Ponder the math for a second. heads up you have money in every pot. most of the time you have nothing, and when you see a flop your opponent is only about 33% to flop a pair or a draw. Think about all of the money you can get by bluffing HU. Now, the problem with using this strategy against Daniel, is he's a good player, and will adjust to this fairly quickly. I'm sure Dreamclown is used to destroying players that are great at ring games, but are weak and inexperienced at HU (same goes for Neverwin). Daniel isn't one of those players.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

lol was thinking of someone else, now it all makes sence . Tired of being at my computer too long.-E

Despite being a DN fan.. I Love you Eugeneel.. watching you own hellmuth is one of my favorite passtimes..

[econ_tim 0]

i remember when DN first started his HU matches at the Wynn. There was a ton of speculation about how he would fare, etc. I believe it Mr. Sklansky who pointed out that DN actually has a strong understanding of the math and had done some studying with Alberta Univ. and their cutting edge HU hold 'em research. It seems that most everyone has forgotten about that, but it will be interesting to see how he fares in the future.I also though that the tempered aggression (compared to the UB games) was semi-surprising. I'll be interested to see how his and nvrwins matches turn out.

thought this was interesting

[Suited_Up 2]

What was the final tally money wise, I missed the end of the match?

[SuM827 0]

i remember when DN first started his HU matches at the Wynn. There was a ton of speculation about how he would fare, etc. I believe it Mr. Sklansky who pointed out that DN actually has a strong understanding of the math and had done some studying with Alberta Univ. and their cutting edge HU hold 'em research. It seems that most everyone has forgotten about that, but it will be interesting to see how he fares in the future.I also though that the tempered aggression (compared to the UB games) was semi-surprising. I'll be interested to see how his and nvrwins matches turn out.

thought this was interesting

Yeah, everyone also forgets that he worked Sagstrom awhile back HU.

[SuM827 0]

I can't wait till the next match and am extremely confident DN is outmatched. I just wish I could take a bigger cut of the game also, "This guy is going to end up like Nick the Greek playing 2-4 limit trying to rebuild after scratching his head and saying, "why the f did I play Daniel N headsup for my entire bankroll?" "can who ever posted that plaease give me the link to more info about this or explain what happened? Was this "the Greek" from prima who lives in Mass?he was always so careful and tight in the nl games he played and I met him in the PL holdem Ireland tourney.-Eugene

Nick the Greek played Johnny Moss headsup back in the 1950's, which is I believe considered the first wsop? Anyways, they played 5 card stud headsup for several months, until Johnny Moss finally cleaned him out for what is said to be ten million dollars in today's money. He was clearly overmatched, but he allowed his ego to take power over his better judgement. He ended up broke playing down in California somewhere for extremely low stakes. He died broke. If you want to learn more about it, get McManus' book "positively fifth street".

Yeah. Most poker players will go broke, which is why Eugene would be better served calling Sachs, instead of taking a bigger piece of Dreamclown's action heads up against a very good player.

[alf13 0]

Ponder the math for a second. heads up you have money in every pot. most of the time you have nothing, and when you see a flop your opponent is only about 33% to flop a pair or a draw. Think about all of the money you can get by bluffing HU. Now, the problem with using this strategy against Daniel, is he's a good player, and will adjust to this fairly quickly. I'm sure Dreamclown is used to destroying players that are great at ring games, but are weak and inexperienced at HU (same goes for Neverwin). Daniel isn't one of those players.

I understand the math....but it doesn't take a player of the caliber of Daniel to combat this strategy.....

[Demiparadigm 0]

Ponder the math for a second. heads up you have money in every pot. most of the time you have nothing, and when you see a flop your opponent is only about 33% to flop a pair or a draw. Think about all of the money you can get by bluffing HU. Now, the problem with using this strategy against Daniel, is he's a good player, and will adjust to this fairly quickly. I'm sure Dreamclown is used to destroying players that are great at ring games, but are weak and inexperienced at HU (same goes for Neverwin). Daniel isn't one of those players.

I understand the math....but it doesn't take a player of the caliber of Daniel to combat this strategy.....

You wanna play HU???I'll play every hand PF and you can fold as much as you want.

[Dixie Wrecked 0]

of course DN probably gets a piece of the rack back!

I wonder if DN uses Jayson Weber's rake back?(sw)At this rate DN wont need to worry about wiring money through the banks, he can just have DC fund his FCP bankroll.I wonder how different the totals would be if they were allowed unlimited raising after the river?Thanks for the updates everyone, since I'm at work I cant view Pokerroom due to the firewall.P.S. It makes me sick that DN has made more money in a couple of hours than I will all year long.

[alf13 0]

You wanna play HU???I'll play every hand PF and you can fold as much as you want.

Who the fuk are you?And BTW....you wouldn't want to play me HU.

[alf13 0]

You DreamClown fan boys need to do something......Watch Neverwin play HU limit Holdem.....that is what a good HU Limit player looks like online....I can't wait to see the video of this match....But what has been described isn't very flattering of Mr. Clown.

[zimmer4141 0]

You wanna play HU???I'll play every hand PF and you can fold as much as you want.

Who the fuk are you?And BTW....you wouldn't want to play me HU.

OOOOOOHHHHHH he just torched your ass man, he torched your ass!

[SuM827 0]

You wanna play HU???I'll play every hand PF and you can fold as much as you want.

Who the fuk are you?And BTW....you wouldn't want to play me HU.

haha... "You would not want to be staring like that at me."But seriously, it's not that easy to counter this strategy. It takes a good player. You lay down the best hand too much, and pay off monsters too often for an average or weak player to beat it.

[alf13 0]

haha... "You would not want to be staring like that at me."But seriously, it's not that easy to counter this strategy. It takes a good player. You lay down the best hand too much, and pay off monsters too often for an average or weak player to beat it.

I understand....It is very similar to what Andy Beal did....

[nell789 0]

Ray Drekargani posting at NWP, I believe he is the player playing on the Dreamclown account against DN.

Lagerborg is a far better HU LHE player than Negreanu. DN and I are about even at this point swings-wise; running two pair is running two pair. But Negreanu is a rag doll. Neverwin will champion DN (since I have criticized Neverwin for being overrated), and then make himself out to be the king who intercedes and 'dominates' both. I am not interested in staging dramatic games of limit hold'em. I am always here. I will play Neverwin any time 500-1k, soon as he buys in. And I will surely play DN more, starting tomorrow night, if he holds to his word.Who would I prefer to play? Negreanu by a mile.Also, I busted Lager from pokerroom. I outplayed him. But I also ran pretty good against him. So despite taking over 300k from him, I'd still chose Negreanu over him as my hu opponent. It is possible to lose 68k to an easy, transparent player at 500-1k. If Lager had Negreanu's cards I probably would have lost between 80 and 100k.Few of you birds ever see past the short term and the drama to estimate an edge. But, hey, that's why we love you.GCC

[alf13 0]

Ray Drekargani posting at NWP, I believe he is the player playing on the Dreamclown account against DN.

Lagerborg is a far better HU LHE player than Negreanu. DN and I are about even at this point swings-wise; running two pair is running two pair. But Negreanu is a rag doll. Neverwin will champion DN (since I have criticized Neverwin for being overrated), and then make himself out to be the king who intercedes and 'dominates' both. I am not interested in staging dramatic games of limit hold'em. I am always here. I will play Neverwin any time 500-1k, soon as he buys in. And I will surely play DN more, starting tomorrow night, if he holds to his word.Who would I prefer to play? Negreanu by a mile.Also, I busted Lager from pokerroom. I outplayed him. But I also ran pretty good against him. So despite taking over 300k from him, I'd still chose Negreanu over him as my hu opponent. It is possible to lose 68k to an easy, transparent player at 500-1k. If Lager had Negreanu's cards I probably would have lost between 80 and 100k.Few of you birds ever see past the short term and the drama to estimate an edge. But, hey, that's why we love you.GCC

You gotta admire his arrogance.....

[KingAustin 0]

Ray Drekargani posting at NWP, I believe he is the player playing on the Dreamclown account against DN.

Lagerborg is a far better HU LHE player than Negreanu. DN and I are about even at this point swings-wise; running two pair is running two pair. But Negreanu is a rag doll. Neverwin will champion DN (since I have criticized Neverwin for being overrated), and then make himself out to be the king who intercedes and 'dominates' both. I am not interested in staging dramatic games of limit hold'em. I am always here. I will play Neverwin any time 500-1k, soon as he buys in. And I will surely play DN more, starting tomorrow night, if he holds to his word.Who would I prefer to play? Negreanu by a mile.Also, I busted Lager from pokerroom. I outplayed him. But I also ran pretty good against him. So despite taking over 300k from him, I'd still chose Negreanu over him as my hu opponent. It is possible to lose 68k to an easy, transparent player at 500-1k. If Lager had Negreanu's cards I probably would have lost between 80 and 100k.Few of you birds ever see past the short term and the drama to estimate an edge. But, hey, that's why we love you.GCC

He sure is funny. There is no excuse for talking so much shit and then getting completely PWNED. He is outmatched, but he is great entertainment for thousands of people and DN's bankroll. Keep up the bad work Doucheclown!

[Sluggo 0]

How could Dream Clown bust Lager?? Doesn't Dream Clown refuse to play once his opponent becomes shortstacked?

[matthew r 0]

he will lose more, he was outplayed, simple as that

[nell789 0]

How could Dream Clown bust Lager?? Doesn't Dream Clown refuse to play once his opponent becomes shortstacked?

hahaha, so true

[clkaufma 0]

wow, ive been reading fcp for a while, and finally created account to post and suchboth the dc and dn fanboys are pretty intense, i dont know if you guys know this, but you dont get any of the money thats being exchanged between these two guys by choosing sidesi thought it was a pretty good match and both of them caught cards and were playing well.so dc and dn fanboys, plz remove their balls from your chin k thx bye