official kidpoker vs. dreamclown thread

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Hah!I was over at NWP this morning, and I read where, "DC is obviously better, even my buddy who knows nothing about HU LHE said that Daniel check/called too much."Right..Daniel was the calling station there.

[CrackofmyACE_FTP 0]

you're all dorks... please get lives now

[ShakeZuma 585]

you're all dorks... please get lives now

thanks for the tip. please don't stop posting these gems.

[eugeneelGCC 0]

"You really want a bigger piece? Put a million on the table, the whole G C C group yo, and I'll personally fly you out to Vegas, cover the rake, and put you up in a "swanky" hotel. If these guys don't accept this offer in a second, there is now way to debate the fact that they are punks, and scared. Period."def don't have a spare million to risk on one match That would be bad mankroll management. challange denied. you need to play 500-1000 again asap.

[alf13 0]

Haven't looked through all of the posts yet but wanted to say this:  Dreamclown cannot beat me unless he adjusts his approach.  His view on the game is flawed and easily exploited.  If he continues to play me he will eventually lose everything that he has.  Not being mean, just being realistic.

I think I said that noob.....thank you captain obvious....OOPS....How's it goin' Daniel?!Good Playin'..

[hpotter9000 0]

Haven't looked through all of the posts yet but wanted to say this:  Dreamclown cannot beat me unless he adjusts his approach.  His view on the game is flawed and easily exploited.  If he continues to play me he will eventually lose everything that he has.  Not being mean, just being realistic.

Daniel -- I watched a couple of your matches. It seems that this is quite obvious. I think it was very very evident that in this 3rd match you had with Dreamclown that you had a different approach and completely shifted gears from the way you played in the first two matches. Unless he's completely ignorant, he will do the same for your next match. If he doesn't he'd be just plain silly. But I also think that if you are not prepared for him coming out with a slightly modified gameplan -- you'd be just as silly. I am a mid limit (no higher than 150-300 online and 200/400 in B&M) heads up/short handed holdem and PLO specialist... and i can't imagine dreamclown or you building up monster bankrolls without any adjustments along the way. By the way daniel -- Heads up online is great right? no waiting for the dealer, and it plays way bigger than it would in a casino b/c we can get cards, no waiting. And playing in your PJs is a big plus too.

[KyleStark 0]

It's no secret there is a pool for the bankroll....however more than one player....the jury is still out

No it's not, Sansone is the only HU Limit HE player they have and by far the best in GCC.Daniel would benefit by them tagging out (the faster he recognizes the switch the more he would benefit).

[The Czar 0]

The fact that they have named a number ($400K) at which they will pull the plug is a telling sign and a lack of realistic confidence. It's one thing to be brash on a message board, but it's entirely different to lose in back-to-back-to-back sessions. We'll see how brash they are if DN takes them for some more hockey jersey money this afternoon. I suspect a drastic change in the way DC plays this next session. After reading all the criticism, I'm thinkin we might see a little more folding. In other words, he'll play it a little closer to the vest. People know when they have been outplayed. I think DC may be in too deep now and unfortunately for a young kid, it may cost him $400,000. That's a lesson that may benefit him in the long run. Hopefully DN can teach it to him quickly.

[speedz99 145]

I think DC may be in too deep now and unfortunately for a young kid, it may cost him $400,000.

If he does lose, don't shed a tear for him. He has been more than happy to take that much from other players who don't have the benefit of a shared bankroll.I really can't get over how subjective this all his. DN has posted that he maximized his winnings and got unlucky. Others have posted that he played somewhat weak and actually did get very lucky to catch most of the big hands. It's all about perspective...

[speedz99 145]

From the blog...

If you’d like to watch the match you’ll have to download the software at www.fullcontactpoker.com which is a pretty simple process. I have plans to go out tomorrow night, but a match might happen in the afternoon sometime.

Forgot to mention that they also have to deposit real money to watch the match.-bitter

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I think DC may be in too deep now and unfortunately for a young kid, it may cost him $400,000.

If he does lose, don't shed a tear for him. He has been more than happy to take that much from other players who don't have the benefit of a shared bankroll.I really can't get over how subjective this all his. DN has posted that he maximized his winnings and got unlucky. Others have posted that he played somewhat weak and actually did get very lucky to catch most of the big hands. It's all about perspective...

I respect DreamClown. I think he's out of his league, but, I think he's a very good player, who's probably gotten in a bit over his head. I don't know though, if this line, which he used repeatedly, will ever, ever be effective.DC(sb); RaisesDaniel; Re-raisesDC; CallsFlop;Daniel; BetsDC; CallsTurn; Daniel; BetsDC; CallsRiver;Daniel; BetsDC; RaisesDaniel; CallsDC shows, 8 High. Daniel shows fourth pair.

[psujohn 0]

You would expect any decent player to be able to adjust his game to his opponent. Especially in heads up. So why didn't DC switch it up during the match? DN certainly seemed to be making adjustments.It'd be interesting to have some background on DC's prior matches. With his style it seems that he'd have an easy time running over some scared money. You need confidence to battle back against the relentless aggression. DN obviously has the confidence and the bankroll so that he's far from scared money.There's a lot of variance in this game. Judging by the parts of the match I watched I'd say that DN has a big advantage but I'd guess if they played 10 freezeouts DN would likely win 6 or 7. Not a 9-1 rout like some would expect. DC isn't a moron afterall. He just showed what seemed to be a very predictable style. And predictable of any sort is highly exploitable in heads up.

[Guest]

Btw Daniel its "Pwned!" not "Powned!"... its online gamer talk like "l33t" (Elite) "hax0r" (Hacker) "nOOb" ... etc.3y3 4m t3h 1337 h4x0|2 #1!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!one!!!!!

[eugeneelGCC 0]

food for thought... there is not a single "regular" player on pokerroom that plays DC hu. (besides Vthestampede, but he plays everyone at his 50-100). This is speaking of limits of 50-100 through 500-1000)Just about EVERY "regular" player on the site is interested in playing DN. After playing him themselves and/or watching his other matches.If I didn't know anything about this match, the opinions of each pro HU player would be worth more to me than the opinions of 100 random FCP birds combined. Don't get too overconfident DN as the more confident u show yourself to your fans, the more excuses u will be forced to make when u will no longer be wanting to sit 500-1000 at your own site.That last statement is honest advice and not an insult of any kind. I dont have anything against you and enjoy your analysis on the big game etc.Also, will u be coming to the aussie millions? I will be there the 6th through 22nd. We should play some live HU there. Not too high, maybe like 200-400 or 3-6. Also, does anyone know if there will be big sidegames going there? I need to know how much $$$ I should bring.-Eugene

[eugeneelGCC 0]

Also,Is my friend Phil coming?-E

[ShakeZuma 585]

Also,Is my friend Phil coming?-E

haha, now they should televise THAT

[Whatever 1]

Forgot to mention that they also have to deposit real money to watch the match.

hollywood poker lets you watch for free.

[Randy Reed 0]

I watched most of the match last night. I reall felt Daniel should have won alot more, and he did as well given his posts here and his blog. A funny thing happened while watching it with my son and a friend though, at one point (shortly after the break), Daniel folded about a dozen straight hands then reeled off another winning streak. My friend was trying to figure Daniel's strategy out and my son said it wasn't Daniel playing now, since he was in Michigan it was probably his 13 year old niece playing while he finished his break. Daniel told her it was just play money. I cracked up imagining the blog, My niece cracked Dreamclown, haha. I thought Daniel dictated the "flow" and was able to play around with Dreamclown at times and if they play again, Daniel will be a heavy favorite. Dreamclown's style was like a guy playing rock-paper-scissors and only playing rock.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Don't get too overconfident DN as the more confident u show yourself to  your fans, the more excuses u will be forced to make when u will no longer be wanting to sit 500-1000 at your own site.

Just curious, at what point do you think you'd call off the matches?Is 400k the water mark where you say, "No mas"? 500k? Obviously, if you keep beating on Daniel like you've done, it's not a problem and you've got a nice little ATM. But..let's say you go on a "Downswing" and drop 400 big bets?Is that when you call it off?

[The Phoenix 0]

food for thought...  Just about EVERY "regular" player on the site is interested in playing DN. After playing him themselves and/or watching his other matches.If I didn't know anything about this match, the opinions of each pro HU player would be worth more to me than the opinions of 100 random FCP birds combined.  -Eugene

I'm sure you read Neverwin's comments, those should be worth more to you than those lesser online "pros". "Outclassed" is a pretty strong statement. DN is more than just a tourney specialist, he is a seasoned high limit cash game player. You guys might want to reconsider this matchup before your bankroll is severely depleted.

[elaear 0]

1.

If I didn't know anything about this match, the opinions of each pro HU player would be worth more to me than the opinions of 100 random FCP birds combined.

ahem...

here is my analysis, dreamclown is severley outmatched and outclassed here, unless he gets a horseshoe up his ass, he is going bust

2.

"You really want a bigger piece? Put a million on the table, the whole G C C group yo, and I'll personally fly you out to Vegas, cover the rake, and put you up in a "swanky" hotel.  If these guys don't accept this offer in a second, there is now way to debate the fact that they are punks, and scared. Period."def don't have a spare million to risk on one match  That would be bad mankroll management. challange denied.  you need to play 500-1000 again asap.

as long as the game is still 500-1000, having $1 mil on the table is the same as having only $100k. quit making excuses, you puss.

[bigedjr17 0]

2 sessions are in no way a large enough sample to judge who is the better HU online player. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get to see a large enough sample. It is entertaining though I must say. The match I'm looking forward to is DN vs. Neverwin. Neverwin talks so much shit, it would be nice to DN shut his mouth a little. Although, he'll prob just chock it up to DN getting "lucky" over and over. It's amazing what a little money can do to someone's ego.

[SuM827 0]

Haven't looked through all of the posts yet but wanted to say this:  Dreamclown cannot beat me unless he adjusts his approach.  His view on the game is flawed and easily exploited.  If he continues to play me he will eventually lose everything that he has.  Not being mean, just being realistic.

I think I said that noob.....thank you captain obvious....OOPS....How's it goin' Daniel?!Good Playin'..

I'd just like to say that I'm positive that DreamClown is a successful HU LHE player. Either that or he's playing with his trust fund. Also, whoever said that Daniel checked/called too much, what is he to do? Re-raise every time? You HAVE to check, and call weaker/medium strength hands that may be best against this type of opponent, because folding is a mistake, and raising can get you into serious trouble. This is why I said it takes a good player playing a sound counter-strategy to beat DC.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

2 sessions are in no way a large enough sample to judge who is the better HU online player. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get to see a large enough sample. It is entertaining though I must say. The match I'm looking forward to is DN vs. Neverwin. Neverwin talks so much censored, it would be nice to DN shut his mouth a little. Although, he'll prob just chock it up to DN getting "lucky" over and over. It's amazing what a little money can do to someone's ego.

Actually, I think Neverwin is a pretty solid, dude. I think he does a lot of showboating for his fans, but, so does Daniel. It happens. His limit game is far and away, much better than Dream Clown's, and just as good if not better than Daniel's.

[SuM827 0]

food for thought... there is not a single "regular" player on pokerroom that  plays DC hu. (besides Vthestampede, but he plays everyone at his 50-100). This is speaking of limits of 50-100 through 500-1000)Just about EVERY "regular" player on the site is interested in playing DN. After playing him themselves and/or watching his other matches.If I didn't know anything about this match, the opinions of each pro HU player would be worth more to me than the opinions of 100 random FCP birds combined.  Don't get too overconfident DN as the more confident u show yourself to  your fans, the more excuses u will be forced to make when u will no longer be wanting to sit 500-1000 at your own site.That last statement is honest advice and not an insult of any kind. I dont have anything against you and enjoy your analysis on the big game etc.Also, will u be coming to the aussie millions? I will be there the 6th through  22nd. We should play some live HU there. Not too high, maybe like 200-400 or 3-6.  Also, does anyone know if there will be big sidegames going there? I need to know how much $$$ I should bring.-Eugene

They're interested in playing him based on what? Percieved lack of skill? So what would you base that on? The two matches he's played against DC? Since his matches with 123 which was a while ago when has he played HU LHE online? I'm just curious. Could they all want to play him because he's Daniel Negreanu? Sounds more likely than the prior.