Survivor Heroes Vs Villains

[jdrury12 0]

Might be mistaken but didn't Russell give a speech like the one above in Samoa and he lost? He had mentioned he was trying to change things up from last time with his end game.

[ltrainkoja55 0]

why does winning twice make someone the best player ever. Survivor is just like poker. Your skill can keep you in the game longer but without luck you will not win. You can not say winning twice makes you the best player ever. That would mean Madsen was the best player in the world his poy at the wsop. lol--- There also have been many players that have won two bracelets events in a row. There is nobody in the world that would say that a player winning two in a row is a better player than Ivey. Sandra played the game she was dealt. She won beacuse the other finalists outplayed the jury so bad they were bitter. The last three reality shows I have watched have been decided by bitterness. Big Brother (Jordan) and the last two survivors have been decided by personal feelings not game play. I take my hat off to her. I just wasn't impressed with her play this season. She was only around because as her click was voted out she was the weakest link. Rob, Tyson, Coach had immunity potential and Sandra did not. It is laughable that when she claims losing is a strategy. There were many reward challenges where she tried so hard but could not get it done. She won without making a single move. She failed at her one goal--- evicting Russell and the only move she made was to waste an idol. It is a shortcoming on all reality shows that weakness in challenges allows you to stay around. Sandra ia a top ten survivor for winning twice but not even in my top five.

[Gallo 1]

why does winning twice make someone the best player ever. Survivor is just like poker. Your skill can keep you in the game longer but without luck you will not win. You can not say winning twice makes you the best player ever. That would mean Madsen was the best player in the world his poy at the wsop. lol--- There also have been many players that have won two bracelets events in a row. There is nobody in the world that would say that a player winning two in a row is a better player than Ivey. Sandra played the game she was dealt. She won beacuse the other finalists outplayed the jury so bad they were bitter. The last three reality shows I have watched have been decided by bitterness. Big Brother (Jordan) and the last two survivors have been decided by personal feelings not game play. I take my hat off to her. I just wasn't impressed with her play this season. She was only around because as her click was voted out she was the weakest link. Rob, Tyson, Coach had immunity potential and Sandra did not. It is laughable that when she claims losing is a strategy. There were many reward challenges where she tried so hard but could not get it done. She won without making a single move. She failed at her one goal--- evicting Russell and the only move she made was to waste an idol. It is a shortcoming on all reality shows that weakness in challenges allows you to stay around. Sandra ia a top ten survivor for winning twice but not even in my top five.

Sandra wasted an Idol? Um, it was the last chance to use it. Why not use it and then get voted off looking like an idiot.Anyway, I think Parv should've won. But Sandra was very entertaining.

[dna4ever 2]

Sandra wasted an Idol? Um, it was the last chance to use it. Why not use it and then get voted off looking like an idiot.

lol like that would ever happen

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Rob, Tyson, Coach had immunity potential and Sandra did not. It is laughable that when she claims losing is a strategy. There were many reward challenges where she tried so hard but could not get it done. She won without making a single move. She failed at her one goal--- evicting Russell and the only move she made was to waste an idol. It is a shortcoming on all reality shows that weakness in challenges allows you to stay around. Sandra ia a top ten survivor for winning twice but not even in my top five.

QFTThe bullshit she fed us at the reunion show made me laugh so hard. Losing being a winning strategy? We know you aren't athletic and are terrible at challenges, you don't need to turn that into a lie. She's always been terrible and besides one challenge this season where she ran through a peg maze she was ALWAYS behind everyone at every challenge. Failing to kick out Russell also shows that she cannot do what she sets out to do, and dominate. She hung on long enough, made friends with people that ended up getting kicked out, and won. You can say yeah, she won two titles by making friends, but where is the gameplay? Russell and Parvati were both more deserving by far on that aspect. Russell sucked socially as we know this season, I definitely believe Parvati should've won. Sadly though, there were a bunch of players who already played the game that had no respect for the gameplay shown, therefore taking the weak link out. I'm not mad about the winner at all, I'm mad about a jury of respected players who have played before not giving any such credit to Russell's game or Parvati for constructing her own strategy even though Russell was more of the hard-on guy with voting people out.

[king_tanner 84]

QFTThe bullshit she fed us at the reunion show made me laugh so hard. Losing being a winning strategy? We know you aren't athletic and are terrible at challenges, you don't need to turn that into a lie. She's always been terrible and besides one challenge this season where she ran through a peg maze she was ALWAYS behind everyone at every challenge. Failing to kick out Russell also shows that she cannot do what she sets out to do, and dominate. She hung on long enough, made friends with people that ended up getting kicked out, and won. You can say yeah, she won two titles by making friends, but where is the gameplay? Russell and Parvati were both more deserving by far on that aspect. Russell sucked socially as we know this season, I definitely believe Parvati should've won. Sadly though, there were a bunch of players who already played the game that had no respect for the gameplay shown, therefore taking the weak link out. I'm not mad about the winner at all, I'm mad about a jury of respected players who have played before not giving any such credit to Russell's game or Parvati for constructing her own strategy even though Russell was more of the hard-on guy with voting people out.

Losing challenges can be a winning strategy and it has been used by players to get to the end many times. If nobody sees Sandra as a threat voting her off is a waste of time... until it is too late. When it is deep in the game they always try to get people off who are a threat in challenges.I don't even think challenges should be in the discussion with Sandra. Prior to both her seasons just by looking at her it was obvious that she wouldn't win any challenges. Thats not part of her game, I don't think winning or losing challenges should factor into the million dollar decision at all. That's why I think Coach is a flaming retard with all his "warrior" talk.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

QFTThe bullshit she fed us at the reunion show made me laugh so hard. Losing being a winning strategy? We know you aren't athletic and are terrible at challenges, you don't need to turn that into a lie. She's always been terrible and besides one challenge this season where she ran through a peg maze she was ALWAYS behind everyone at every challenge. Failing to kick out Russell also shows that she cannot do what she sets out to do, and dominate. She hung on long enough, made friends with people that ended up getting kicked out, and won. You can say yeah, she won two titles by making friends, but where is the gameplay? Russell and Parvati were both more deserving by far on that aspect. Russell sucked socially as we know this season, I definitely believe Parvati should've won. Sadly though, there were a bunch of players who already played the game that had no respect for the gameplay shown, therefore taking the weak link out. I'm not mad about the winner at all, I'm mad about a jury of respected players who have played before not giving any such credit to Russell's game or Parvati for constructing her own strategy even though Russell was more of the hard-on guy with voting people out.

That IS the game play. Game play BY DEFINITION isn't just the control of the game. That, to me, is one of the best parts of Survivor. You need to balance different aspects of the game. You can't ignore a critical aspect of the game - in this case the Jury - and win. Probst says it every year: "Now the power shifts to the Jury". Survivor at it's essence is a game of multiple elements.

[ltrainkoja55 0]

Losing challenges can be a winning strategy and it has been used by players to get to the end many times. If nobody sees Sandra as a threat voting her off is a waste of time... until it is too late. When it is deep in the game they always try to get people off who are a threat in challenges.I don't even think challenges should be in the discussion with Sandra. Prior to both her seasons just by looking at her it was obvious that she wouldn't win any challenges. Thats not part of her game, I don't think winning or losing challenges should factor into the million dollar decision at all. That's why I think Coach is a flaming retard with all his "warrior" talk.

I understand your point but in a game like survivor it has to be considered. It is the biggest factor in getting voted off. If you are a dominate player in challanges you are at risk. Why would this not factor in to a million dollar descision. You should definitely get more credit for making the finals with a target on your back. In this case Russell and Parv were at risk every week. There were several weeks where it was obvious Sandra didn't have to outwit, outlast or outplay anybody. Sandra skated so many weeks ---also winning challenges is not always about being athletic. standing on a sharp ledge and balancing items come to mind. women always dominate those-- She also never once stated in the private confessions to this strategy. She was always open with her plans. I mean how can you be as cocky and have that big of ego and never reveal this plan in you private tv interviews. Please- she is to vain to look that bad in challenges and not state she was trying to lose. She never once stated there is no way I am winning and putting a target on my back. Producers loves this kind of talk because it adds drama. From Big brother to Survivor this strategy is always revealed. Sorry Queen, I mean, Sandra but I know your lying!

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QFTThe bullshit she fed us at the reunion show made me laugh so hard. Losing being a winning strategy? We know you aren't athletic and are terrible at challenges, you don't need to turn that into a lie. She's always been terrible and besides one challenge this season where she ran through a peg maze she was ALWAYS behind everyone at every challenge. Failing to kick out Russell also shows that she cannot do what she sets out to do, and dominate. She hung on long enough, made friends with people that ended up getting kicked out, and won. You can say yeah, she won two titles by making friends, but where is the gameplay? Russell and Parvati were both more deserving by far on that aspect. Russell sucked socially as we know this season, I definitely believe Parvati should've won. Sadly though, there were a bunch of players who already played the game that had no respect for the gameplay shown, therefore taking the weak link out. I'm not mad about the winner at all, I'm mad about a jury of respected players who have played before not giving any such credit to Russell's game or Parvati for constructing her own strategy even though Russell was more of the hard-on guy with voting people out.

Sandra did try to take out Russell but everytime she did the Heroes would not cooperate. It's not like it was her fault for failing to take out Russell.

[ltrainkoja55 0]

Sandra did try to take out Russell but everytime she did the Heroes would not cooperate. It's not like it was her fault for failing to take out Russell.

I could not disagree more with this --- she did not try to take Russell out. Telling Rupert to do it was horrible. Nobody on the heroes tribe believed Rupert had any brains--- You might as well ask a plumber to wire you house. I mean Russell dominated this game but several weeks he was there for the taking. I mean every week I kept thinking there gonna get him this week. Sandra never got it done. Sandra admiited serveral times after her alliance was gone that her only remaining goal was to get Russell out. She used ridin coattails the entire game. (In challenges, alliances and jury votes) I mean she was tryin to pass the buck on her one goal, gettin rid of russell. A truly great player comes up with a plan and makes sure it happens. You do not come up with a plan and hope someone else does it for you. laughable-- This shows how lucky she was to win. She knew without the jury being petty she would not get the votes. I wish we could go back to the good old days of Richard and pornstar Brian when the jury voted based on gameplay. They were both hated but won in an appropriate landslide. I hated Russell but he would have gotten a tip of the hat from me and my vote as well---

[king_tanner 84]

I wish we could go back to the good old days of Richard and pornstar Brian when the jury voted based on gameplay. They were both hated but won in an appropriate landslide.

There have been a lot more seasons where the player won based on game play. Please don't use pornstar Brian as an example though, Thailand was the worst season ever by far.

[Gallo 1]

I could not disagree more with this --- she did not try to take Russell out. Telling Rupert to do it was horrible. Nobody on the heroes tribe believed Rupert had any brains--- You might as well ask a plumber to wire you house. I mean Russell dominated this game but several weeks he was there for the taking. I mean every week I kept thinking there gonna get him this week. Sandra never got it done. Sandra admiited serveral times after her alliance was gone that her only remaining goal was to get Russell out. She used ridin coattails the entire game. (In challenges, alliances and jury votes) I mean she was tryin to pass the buck on her one goal, gettin rid of russell. A truly great player comes up with a plan and makes sure it happens. You do not come up with a plan and hope someone else does it for you. laughable-- This shows how lucky she was to win. She knew without the jury being petty she would not get the votes. I wish we could go back to the good old days of Richard and pornstar Brian when the jury voted based on gameplay. They were both hated but won in an appropriate landslide. I hated Russell but he would have gotten a tip of the hat from me and my vote as well---

Um, no. She told the whole Heroes tribe. She didn't just tell Rupert. I think there were some clips on CBS.com or I think they showed it on TV that she didn't only tell Rupert. Someone even mentioned she told others. Also there was that time when she sat with the Heroes tribe and said she would vote with them to vote out Russell, but Candice swayed, she was scared. Yes, Candice was intimidated by Russell. She tried to get Russell out because it seemed everyone was just intimidated by him, also in Ponderosa they mentioned that people wanted to keep Russell in the final 3 because they knew there was no way that Russell would get votes.I'm not saying that Russell didn't play a good game to get to the end, but I think people are overlooking stuff that Sandra actually did to stay and make it as far as she did.All the jury in the first season voted based on gameplay? Pick a number between 1-10 and I'll tell you if you're right.

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All the jury in the first season voted based on gameplay? Pick a number between 1-10 and I'll tell you if you're right.

lol ownedThe first season was definitely not all gameplay because Richard would've won 7-0 then. Kelly was god awful.

[ltrainkoja55 0]

Um, no. She told the whole Heroes tribe. She didn't just tell Rupert. I think there were some clips on CBS.com or I think they showed it on TV that she didn't only tell Rupert. Someone even mentioned she told others. Also there was that time when she sat with the Heroes tribe and said she would vote with them to vote out Russell, but Candice swayed, she was scared. Yes, Candice was intimidated by Russell. She tried to get Russell out because it seemed everyone was just intimidated by him, also in Ponderosa they mentioned that people wanted to keep Russell in the final 3 because they knew there was no way that Russell would get votes.I'm not saying that Russell didn't play a good game to get to the end, but I think people are overlooking stuff that Sandra actually did to stay and make it as far as she did.All the jury in the first season voted based on gameplay? Pick a number between 1-10 and I'll tell you if you're right.

I will concede your point on the video. I do not watch extra content online. I still think Sandra is overated--- Just my opinion but you suck so I will keep you around is blah gameplay.are you really trying to make a point with the bolded statement. one idiot votes on a number system so the entire JURY did not vote based on game play. You do realize that a jury is not defined by the actions of one. Everyone hated Richard but they stated I don't agree with it but I have to respect your game play. It was like a broken record as each one cast there vote. If Richard would have been in front of this jury he would not have had to worry about tax evasion!

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I will concede your point on the video. I do not watch extra content online. I still think Sandra is overated--- Just my opinion but you suck so I will keep you around is blah gameplay.are you really trying to make a point with the bolded statement. one idiot votes on a number system so the entire JURY did not vote based on game play. You do realize that a jury is not defined by the actions of one. Everyone hated Richard but they stated I don't agree with it but I have to respect your game play. It was like a broken record as each one cast there vote. If Richard would have been in front of this jury he would not have had to worry about tax evasion!

Richard won 4-3, so apparently not EVERYONE respected his gameplay.

[Whiter Sr 0]

No one knows Russell and I think that he goes really deep, but doesn't win again. Just like last time, he needs people that he thinks won't 'win', which means he will take women, since he hates women. That also means that he will probably be looking to take women that have already won. So my predication is that Russell takes Sandra and someone else (like Parvati) with him and then he loses badly at final tribal. Again.

Well Done

[Gallo 1]

Just an interesting read from Jeff Probst.http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/18/jeff-pro...illains-finale/

[brvheart 1,752]

There have been a lot more seasons where the player won based on game play. Please don't use pornstar Brian as an example though, Thailand was the worst season ever by far.

..also, Hatch only won by one vote. Not a landslide.

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I watched the interviews at the bottom of the page. Russell makes a ton of sense and stated exactly what he wanted to do in the game, and basically accomplished that. However, he chose that he didn't even want to win. He said he could manage his ego, but he simply didn't want to. He called Parvati and himself, "The dream team." She was best socially, him best strategically. He was too bold though and didn't care about being social at all, lol. Parvati was straight up with everything and she should've won still, hands down. Lastly, Sandra talks like a dumbass. The interview before when he's asking her questions all she does is loudmouth him and say "write my name on the check already." Really annoying. And she doesn't believe Russell has bank? That's just retarded when it's been made well known he owns an oil company. Also, her strategies for getting out Russell are TERRIBLE. Apparently Parvati dragged Russell around and told him what to do? She wanted to take just Rupert and use the idol when they voted for him? (Which you can bring Colby with you Sandra, when three votes are gone it doesn't matter anymore) So then they vote him out and she doesn't use the idol? She is strategically terrible. The only thing she did right in the game was avoid the vote. Seriously, go look at that link and watch the video. Her replies to his questions about the game show how stupid she is.

[jdrury12 0]

I watched the interviews at the bottom of the page. Russell makes a ton of sense and stated exactly what he wanted to do in the game, and basically accomplished that. However, he chose that he didn't even want to win. He said he could manage his ego, but he simply didn't want to. He called Parvati and himself, "The dream team." She was best socially, him best strategically. He was too bold though and didn't care about being social at all, lol. Parvati was straight up with everything and she should've won still, hands down. Lastly, Sandra talks like a dumbass. The interview before when he's asking her questions all she does is loudmouth him and say "write my name on the check already." Really annoying. And she doesn't believe Russell has bank? That's just retarded when it's been made well known he owns an oil company. Also, her strategies for getting out Russell are TERRIBLE. Apparently Parvati dragged Russell around and told him what to do? She wanted to take just Rupert and use the idol when they voted for him? (Which you can bring Colby with you Sandra, when three votes are gone it doesn't matter anymore) So then they vote him out and she doesn't use the idol? She is strategically terrible. The only thing she did right in the game was avoid the vote. Seriously, go look at that link and watch the video. Her replies to his questions about the game show how stupid she is.

Good blogs. Sandra has some good points on Colby but she still is semi disillusion on other things. Russell and Parv were hilarious. Read Probst's blog and went back and read some more of the old ones, really interesting.For the Sandra comment, Sandra was talking about Russell's vote for America's favorite, Russel claimed he had five million votes, she was talking about his votes not his money.Russell's best quote from the video: I know it has to be done. I know it's a must, but I don't want to do it. At the end of the day, I got America's vote. Guy: That's 900,000 less.Russell: Yeah, but I got 11 million in the bank.

[Untilted 158]

Does anyone think that the Ponderosa has a bad effect on the game and influences how someone will vote at the final tribal? With everyone sharing there Russell scars, it could make someone less likely to vote for him. And I am sure there was lobbying from Rupert and others to not vote for Russell. I don't think this sort of influence should have an impact on the game but short of having the jury members sequestered away from each other, there is no way to avoid this.Also, do all the people that get eliminated before the jury have there own Ponderosa? If not, are they all sen't home one by one as they are eliminated? If this is the case, you might be able to find out who did not make the jury and the final three before the actual season is aired and make some serious spoilers? How bummed would it have been if you knew Boston Rob was eliminated so early without watching an episode.

[fighter 4]

Does anyone think that the Ponderosa has a bad effect on the game and influences how someone will vote at the final tribal? With everyone sharing there Russell scars, it could make someone less likely to vote for him. And I am sure there was lobbying from Rupert and others to not vote for Russell. I don't think this sort of influence should have an impact on the game but short of having the jury members sequestered away from each other, there is no way to avoid this.Also, do all the people that get eliminated before the jury have there own Ponderosa? If not, are they all sen't home one by one as they are eliminated? If this is the case, you might be able to find out who did not make the jury and the final three before the actual season is aired and make some serious spoilers? How bummed would it have been if you knew Boston Rob was eliminated so early without watching an episode.

This happend to DN when he got a phone call from boston rob during this season.

[dna4ever 2]

do not ask me how I found this .....Scroll to 2:36 minute mark and watch through the 3:00 minute mark of this youtube video clip from a soap opera called The Young and The Restless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe005pSPre0

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

.. i don't get it

[dna4ever 2]

.. i don't get it

then you are not a survivor fan sir