dapokerbum 0 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 lol, that's funny....as I actually had a guy pull that crap on me a few nights back. He must have pulled up specifically my PS SnG record on sharkscope, because he started in on me as a "donk", etc. etc. for whatever reason as I'm a -300 player, etc. etc.! I immediately told him to search my FTP record as well as my PS record overall on SS or OPR (as the beginnings of my PS life was very early in my poker playing, which I moved to FTP and made good recreational strides with). I'm no baller, but I'm a B/E rec player that shows a very modest profit. The funny part is that the douches that use these sites to berate other players (well for one, are idiots as you should clearly be nice to the fish and let them give money away) are the same jackholes in life that just don't know when to quit. Like the douche in this story, continues on about how i 'suck', even though i know he checks everything else out and finds out that his douchy representation is unfounded.I like the chat box, as I'm a fan of talking with people, etc. Being a single table player and all, it's part of my rec chill time. It's a shame that people get chat banned for such simplistic things while these steady antagonist bottomfeeders are allowed to chat away.I like when people think I am a "donk". It just makes it more gratifying to take their money! I encourage people to see me that way. If I hit a straight on the river because I also had the flush draw against a guy that min raised his AA and he thinks I am terrible for it, then I encourage him to think that way. "Yes you are right, but I just won't ever give up on a hand" or "I will always try to draw out because that is what poker is all about" of course in my head I know that the pot was laying me the correct odds and over the long run my play is profitable but I would never let him understand that I know these things. Link to post Share on other sites
scottyno 0 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 theres no reason to ban opr, its a ****ing free site that everyone can access, full tilt should just ask OPR to pay them a little money and then ftp can put them in the green ads cycle that shows up when you open a table, win for ftp because they get a little cash and there whole player pool has access to the site, win for opr because they get to keep having full tilt stats, plus they get increased traffic which lets them make more in ad $, and win for the players because they can see there stats and others stats for free instead of having to pay for them on pokerdb Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I like OPR because I almost SOLELY use it for my own stats. My family can follow the tourneys I play, and I can always double check if I miss something when I am recording my results down. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I use OPR sometimes when a player is berating others at the table for their play, to see if they are actually a winning player. But yeah, my main purpose of OPR is to track my personal ratings of mtts Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 I use OPR sometimes when a player is berating others at the table for their play, to see if they are actually a winning player. But yeah, my main purpose of OPR is to track my personal ratings of mttsThey never are, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Chris-LFC 0 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 just got this email back from FTP, gonna write to em asking how it gives players and nfair advantage, i asked this in the 1st email but i guess they dodged it...Hello, Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support. We are currently working with all of our affiliates to ensure their business practices are consistent with our goal of providing the best online poker experience. In particular, we are ensuring they adhere to our very high standards of game integrity and do not support the use of prohibited or restricted software. Official Poker Rankings provides a great service to its customers, and as poker players ourselves, we fully appreciate the value of the information they provide. Unfortunately, some of the information currently available may allow players to obtain an unfair advantage at the tables. We are currently in communication with Official Poker Rankings to establish a set of guidelines that is in the mutual interest of all parties, including our valued players. We hope to have the matter resolved as soon as possible and appreciate your patience in the meantime. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us. We're always here to help. Regards, ShanePoker SpecialistFull Tilt Poker Support Link to post Share on other sites
wildspoke 2 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 just got this email back from FTP, gonna write to em asking how it gives players and nfair advantage, i asked this in the 1st email but i guess they dodged it...Hello, Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support. We are currently working with all of our affiliates to ensure their business practices are consistent with our goal of providing the best online poker experience. In particular, we are ensuring they adhere to our very high standards of game integrity and do not support the use of prohibited or restricted software. Official Poker Rankings provides a great service to its customers, and as poker players ourselves, we fully appreciate the value of the information they provide. Unfortunately, some of the information currently available may allow players to obtain an unfair advantage at the tables. We are currently in communication with Official Poker Rankings to establish a set of guidelines that is in the mutual interest of all parties, including our valued players. We hope to have the matter resolved as soon as possible and appreciate your patience in the meantime. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us. We're always here to help. Regards, ShanePoker SpecialistFull Tilt Poker SupportGot the same email. Will wait a few days and then see if 'Juha' can be more specific and answer the question about 'unfair advantage' . Link to post Share on other sites
aggie3 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Echoing what everyone else has said, this is rediculous. I use OPR on a regualar basis, mainly for my own personal stats, (quick way to see check your profits/loss for the month, year, etc.) and also to check on opponents just to see if they are profitable. However, to say that a site that simply gives you profit/loss and no other stats is an example of a 'shared hand history' is completely offbase. On a side note, I find it humorous that although fulltilt does not condone the site, they still somehow find it ok to pay OPR for advertising space. Link to post Share on other sites
slink 1 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They have Pokerstars on their homepage instead of the "Phil Ivey portrait" advertising fulltilt, now. Totally sucks as I was having my best month and was tracking my progress. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They have Pokerstars on their homepage instead of the "Phil Ivey portrait" advertising fulltilt, now. Totally sucks as I was having my best month and was tracking my progress.Thinly disguised brag post is thinly disguised. Link to post Share on other sites
slink 1 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thinly disguised brag post is thinly disguised.yeah lol Link to post Share on other sites
isap 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They'll ban this next: http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/players/index.aspPlayer searches, Bluff Power Rankings.. It's like I know what every player will do in every situation! Link to post Share on other sites
Dooper 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I did write them to request that they not do this. I noted that I kinda use OPR as my database and now that the stats and records are no longer visible, I am requesting Full Tilt to send me a complete list of all tourneys and SNGs I've played in during 2009, with buy-ins, the field size, my results. I can reconstruct my wins, but not my losses and, with OPR unavailable, I will need FT to provide the information. Thanks. (OK, it was stupid of me to rely on OPR to keep track, but now I have no record at all...)I got the standard "OPR" reply as others have received. I replied to it, pointing out it is an unfair advantage that some players are better than others. It is unfair to decent players that some people are terrible and stay in to win on the river, and request that they rectify this particular unfairness by requiring players to take a test on how to play before they sit at a real money table. (I did mention that these particular unfairnesses are part and parcel of poker, and I accept that.) It is an unfair advantage that some people have used the Full Tilt Poker Academy, watched all the lessons, done the challenges, while others still have no clue how to play. It is unfair that some people read books and think about their game, while others are playing to have fun. It is unfair that some people have more money and don't worry about losing it. It is unfair that players can hide their Ironman status, as their enormous playing experience gives them an unfair advantage over those who don't play nearly as much-- oh, and could they indicate whether the players are bronze, silver or gold, also please. And, oh yeah, notes-- people who play a lot can take notes on many more people than those who play less-- this is also unfair. Can we have info on each player's assets and experience to reduce that unfairness? Unfairness is rampant in poker...and the information found in OPR does not unbalance the game as much as knowledge about the game does. I pointed out that the "unfair advantage" argument does not hold much water in regards to OPR. In fact, OPR may help make things more fair, as you can, at least, see if another player plays a lot of tournaments-- thus clarifying the experience angle. It can show whether you are up against an expert tournament player. It cannot show whether you are up against a noob, as OPR does not show ring games or offline experience. (OK, it could show that the player loses a fair amount-- but few lose completely all the time. This time might be the charm for them.) An expert does not care if you know he is good. He figures he can beat you anyway (and probably your knowledge of his expertise can help him.). I suspect, for instance, that Daniel Negreanu could beat me without looking at his cards. Sigh. That is sooo unfair!Feel free to use any of these arguments yourself, if you like them. Please email FT about this. Personally, I am hoping it's about money and kickbacks between sites and affiliates, and this will blow over. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 OPR had FTP banners on their site. If someone clicked the FTP link and signed up for a real money account, OPR got the rakeback for that account. I'm guessing there was some kind of dispute. Didn't Stars make you send OPR $.02 and acknowledge you understood OPR was going to make your results public? OPR then gave you your pennies back. Stars did this with one of the tracking sites. Stars gets it right, FTP is wonky. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 OPR had FTP banners on their site. If someone clicked the FTP link and signed up for a real money account, OPR got the rakeback for that account. I'm guessing there was some kind of dispute. Didn't Stars make you send OPR $.02 and acknowledge you understood OPR was going to make your results public? OPR then gave you your pennies back. Stars did this with one of the tracking sites. Stars gets it right, FTP is wonky.WatWhen did this happen? I guess I haven't been around as long as I thought. Got any more details on this one? Link to post Share on other sites
zoo 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I would guess that this move is more political than anything and using the 'OPR is unfair' excuse is just so they have something to tell the players. FTP wants something from OPR and they are holding them over the fire to get it. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 WatWhen did this happen? I guess I haven't been around as long as I thought. Got any more details on this one?I don't remember what site it was. Was it SharkScope? Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyCa 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Well firstly I would try to urge all of you players who dissagree with FTP's choice to ban OPR to email them with your feelings on the matter, I have sent 2 emails myself.Also about the 'unfair advantage'. I told them in my email that it is almost like saying that someone has an unfair advantage because they read a book that tells them odds. Isn't the whole idea of learning from experience and reading books, watching videos etc etc to give yourself some sort of 'advantage' over less experienced players so you can become a winning player.But OPR in my view does not contain any information about a player that could give me an advantage over others. All of the useful information about a player is what you take on board during the actual tournament you are playing. As somebody else said (and as I've also told FTP) OPR just shows results and ratings... not HOW they obtain the results i.e. playing style.The real reason may lie with players table abuse about other players stats, but if a player wants to be rude to another, they will find something to say... that's just how some players are in the online poker communty unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteSpade 0 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 But OPR in my view does not contain any information about a player that could give me an advantage over others.It's definately to your advantage if you see that a micro player is deep in a high buyin tourny. Chances are they sat'd in and pay increases mean much more to them - making it easier for you to run them over. Link to post Share on other sites
slink 1 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 FullTilt's reasoning is ridiculous as you could always hide your own stats if you wanted to. Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralGeeWhiz 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I don't remember what site it was. Was it SharkScope?It was OPR. I remeber when the PokerStars and OPR agreed on the $.02 deal and never noticed anything different on OPR. Idk if the deal fell through. Link to post Share on other sites
Jimberry 0 Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 I did write them to request that they not do this. I noted that I kinda use OPR as my database and now that the stats and records are no longer visible, I am requesting Full Tilt to send me a complete list of all tourneys and SNGs I've played in during 2009, with buy-ins, the field size, my results. I can reconstruct my wins, but not my losses and, with OPR unavailable, I will need FT to provide the information. Thanks. (OK, it was stupid of me to rely on OPR to keep track, but now I have no record at all...)I got the standard "OPR" reply as others have received. I replied to it, pointing out it is an unfair advantage that some players are better than others. It is unfair to decent players that some people are terrible and stay in to win on the river, and request that they rectify this particular unfairness by requiring players to take a test on how to play before they sit at a real money table. (I did mention that these particular unfairnesses are part and parcel of poker, and I accept that.) It is an unfair advantage that some people have used the Full Tilt Poker Academy, watched all the lessons, done the challenges, while others still have no clue how to play. It is unfair that some people read books and think about their game, while others are playing to have fun. It is unfair that some people have more money and don't worry about losing it. It is unfair that players can hide their Ironman status, as their enormous playing experience gives them an unfair advantage over those who don't play nearly as much-- oh, and could they indicate whether the players are bronze, silver or gold, also please. And, oh yeah, notes-- people who play a lot can take notes on many more people than those who play less-- this is also unfair. Can we have info on each player's assets and experience to reduce that unfairness? Unfairness is rampant in poker...and the information found in OPR does not unbalance the game as much as knowledge about the game does. I pointed out that the "unfair advantage" argument does not hold much water in regards to OPR.You are confusing "advantage" with "unfair advantage". Yes, a better player has an advantage over a worse one, but that's not an unfair advantage. Unfairness is not (well, should not be) rampant in poker. Link to post Share on other sites
isap 0 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Un-banned.Looks like it was because people were making fun of people's ROIs, as you'll see next visit to OPR. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Un-banned.Looks like it was because people were making fun of people's ROIs, as you'll see next visit to OPR.Hahaha, sweet. Link to post Share on other sites
banksa 0 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 i just looked at opr.com and full tilt is back up there now Link to post Share on other sites
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