BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So after he left the Rams, the receivers were still outstanding? The Rams were still good? The Cardinals would have gone to the Superbowl without Warner this year?This is a good point right here. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 So after he left the Rams, the receivers were still outstanding? The Rams were still good? The Cardinals would have gone to the Superbowl without Warner this year?yes after he left the Rams, Torry Holt continued to put up all-pro numbers. Isaac Bruce had a decent year in San Fran this year even though he is 47 years old. Marshall Faulk retired. The Rams D fell apart and then the team fell apart. You are not arguing that putting Warner on the Rams this year puts them in the playoffs are you? Cuz that would be crazy talk.The second point is valid. No way Leinart takes the Cards to the Super Bowl. But it depends on what you mean. I could think of several QBs who could have also taken the Cards to the super bowl this year. Also, lets breathe and remember that I said Warner DOES belong in the hall. I dont make that statement lightly. Just saying, you have to bear in mind that ALL Warner's success came with a great WR corps in tow. All five good years. There are great QBs who did a lot with not so much (Marino after 1988, Elway in the Vance Johnson era, Brett Favre after Sterling Sharpe left, Tom Brady when their WR corps was Troy Brown and David Patten) and I give them extra credit. Not surprisingly, that list consists mostly of guys who are in the all time debate.Warner is a hall of famer but he is a 2nd tier hall guy without a few more great years. thats all. Link to post Share on other sites
byaaatch 0 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 yes after he left the Rams, Torry Holt continued to put up all-pro numbers. Isaac Bruce had a decent year in San Fran this year even though he is 47 years old. Marshall Faulk retired. The Rams D fell apart and then the team fell apart. You are not arguing that putting Warner on the Rams this year puts them in the playoffs are you? Cuz that would be crazy talk.The second point is valid. No way Leinart takes the Cards to the Super Bowl. But it depends on what you mean. I could think of several QBs who could have also taken the Cards to the super bowl this year. Also, lets breathe and remember that I said Warner DOES belong in the hall. I dont make that statement lightly. Just saying, you have to bear in mind that ALL Warner's success came with a great WR corps in tow. All five good years. There are great QBs who did a lot with not so much (Marino after 1988, Elway in the Vance Johnson era, Brett Favre after Sterling Sharpe left, Tom Brady when their WR corps was Troy Brown and David Patten) and I give them extra credit. Not surprisingly, that list consists mostly of guys who are in the all time debate.Warner is a hall of famer but he is a 2nd tier hall guy without a few more great years. thats all.See the thing about every good qb they all win because of the system they are in. And the great one find a way to always pull it off that is the secret. I mean lets look at peyton he has had one of the greatest offensive systems for the last 6 years. But yet only one title, reason being he didn't have the best defense and that was the downfall. The pats with brady were better defensive team than they were offensive team when they first won the title. At the same token though brady didn't make the mistakes to take them out of the game. And now with the weapons he has they are just that much more powerful. As far as favre he has had his good WR. He has had robert brooks, antonio freeman, bubba franks was a stud at TE. I mean hell if you want to talk about a great QB in a perfect system it's Warren Moon. His run and gun was just to put up massive scoring left and right. Yet he doesn't have a title. Granted the one difference is that he hasn't had bad strings like warner has put together in his bad year. But it always comes down to titles and Warner has one. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Warner is a missed Vinateri field goal from having the same amount of titles. HE had 2 great games in losing efforts, which are in no way his fault.I think there's a lot of truth to this. While the turn over at the end of the second half hurt his team, Harrison's bringing that back for a touchdown is a complete fluke that would occur about on in 50 picks or so. Coupled with the fact that warner has like 377, brought the cardinals back to take the lead with 2 minutes left, and the fact that if Warner has broken his leg in the pre game, the cardinals would have lost by about 30 with Lienhart as QB, I find it hard to put blame on him. If ben doesn't engineer that drive, Warner is the MVP of that game.That much is true. If Fitzgerald doesn't run into his own guy on the sideline trying to catch Harrison, there's no TD. I'm surprised more hasn't been made of that aspect of the play. Like I've said before I believe he's a Hall of Famer but I still think when he excelled it was largely due to the systems and players around him. Joe Montana. (/point)Exactly. It is very rare that a player excelled for an extended period of time on a crappy team. Especially a QB who needs a lot of help, running game, good o-line and people that can actually get open, catch the ball, then run with it afterward.Walter Payton. (/point) Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3927171 Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3927171is this a 1 year deal? 2 years? more?I think it is very fair value for Warner.....BUT I would not sign him to anything more than a one year contract with a 2nd year CLUB option. Warner is in that stage of his career where one bad hit and it is over.They also need to find out about Leinart's long term potential sooner than later. Link to post Share on other sites
Piddle Duck 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Serious question: does it matter?Is the hall of fame supposed to be for the best players or the players who performed the best? Personally, I think any arguments about systems and supporting cast, etc. should be ignored and we should just focus on the results.I wish more people thought this way when discussing Chris Osgood as a potential HOFer. The guy is climbing up the record books and has 3 cups, was a key figure in 2 of them but he gets dissed nationally because he played most of his career with the Red Wings and that is just too easy. This is no different than the discussion about Warner with the Rams and having Bruce, Hakim, and Holt. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Goddammit. Who spilled hockey on my football forum? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Goddammit. Who spilled hockey on my football forum? Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Set the single game record for completion percentage today... besting Vinnie Testaverde? (I think), who held it by going 22 of 24? (I think). Warner was 24-26 today.1st ballot HOF ----> lock Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 well.. I just read something that has put me pretty much on perma tilt... from KW's wiki.. Before the 1997 Arena season, Warner requested and got a tryout with the Chicago Bears, but an injury to his throwing elbow caused by a scorpion sting sustained during his honeymoon prevented him from attending. FUCK! Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky777 0 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 If he does, that's something special. Imagine going from grocery stock boy to a Hall of Fame QB. Talk about a drastic change in a career. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 well.. I just read something that has put me pretty much on perma tilt... from KW's wiki..FUCK! well, the bear's natural enemy is the scorpion. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Scorpion sting?!? lol... Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 With rumors swirling about Kurt Warner's retirement, I'd just like to remind people, all the warner haters, why he's going to the hall....In the Arizona-GB game, here was his stat line29-33 379 5 td 0 ints 154.1 What. The. Fuck. The guy is such a monster in the playoffs, when he stats should go down because he's playing tougher opponents. I'll be really sad if he retires, he's been a joy to watch. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I've watched a lot of football this week, and no one can convince me that Kurt Warner wasn't the best QB on the field among every team on the field this weekend. If his offensive line gives him 2-3 seconds it's almost a guaranteed completion. What was he today? 20-24 for 300 yards and like 5 TD's? Unstoppable.A. Rogers is good also, but he receivers dropped a TON of balls and he wasn't even close to as accurate as Warner on the plays that weren't obviously his receivers fault.On the other hand, Warner made Early Doucet look like a pro bowler. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 In the Arizona-GB game, here was his stat line29-33 379 5 td 0 ints 154.1 What was he today? 20-24 for 300 yards and like 5 TD's? Unstoppable. In the Arizona-GB game, here was his stat line29-33 379 5 td 0 ints 154.1 Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Sorry, I didn't read your post before posting. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 a 154 qb rating? WTF? Sanchez had an over 150 rating too, but with like 140 passing yards. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 a 154 qb rating? WTF?Yeah, he's decent. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 4 incompletions. Wow.I always find it pretty funny that a "Perfect Quarterback Rating" is 158.3 A perfect rating requires at least a 77.5% completion rate, at least 12.5 yards per attempt, a touchdown on at least 11.875% of attempts, and no interceptions.How stupid is that. Fraking random. They couldn't even find a way to normalize it to 100?And he has to be a lock for HOF......but I also can't understand how Jack Morris isn't a HOF lock. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 4 incompletions. Wow.I always find it pretty funny that a "Perfect Quarterback Rating" is 158.3How stupid is that. Fraking random. They couldn't even find a way to normalize it to 100?And he has to be a lock for HOF......but I also can't understand how Jack Morris isn't a HOF lock.The baseball hall of fame is WAY stupider than the football hall of fame. I mean 28 voters did NOT vote for Rickey Henderson, the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. And these guys got to keep their vote.Warner will be in especially since playoff success is always weighted heavily. Plus, he has enough great seasons now.Brv, you are underrating Philip Rivers. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,753 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Brv, you are underrating Philip Rivers.I don't disagree, but in my defense, my 3 through 5 picks are basically interchangable. Brady was bad today, but I would still take him over Rodgers 10 out of 10 times. But over Rivers, I might only take him 6 out of 10 times. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy_Hillis 11 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 Did you see him look off the defenders knowing Breaston was his guy over the middle on that last drive. God he's good. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I've watched a lot of football this week, and no one can convince me that Kurt Warner wasn't the best QB on the field among every team on the field this weekend. If his offensive line gives him 2-3 seconds it's almost a guaranteed completion. What was he today? 20-24 for 300 yards and like 5 TD's? Unstoppable.A. Rogers is good also, but he receivers dropped a TON of balls and he wasn't even close to as accurate as Warner on the plays that weren't obviously his receivers fault.On the other hand, Warner made Early Doucet look like a pro bowler.Like..I don't necessarily disagree with you..but what does Rodgers' WRs dropping balls have to do with his ability as a quarterback? If Warner's not a lock for the Hall, they should shut that joint down. RISE probably disagrees though..Warner's only won one Super Bowl. Link to post Share on other sites
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