Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 That post was really supposed to be kind of a joke post. I really didn't think anyone would take it seriously. But I guess anything posted about Cariboo Barbie is taken seriously by the Republicans here. I wonder what you think of Tina Fey?You're no Tina Fey. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Sometimes VBNautilus Reminds me of this...lolThat's pretty funny. VB's the wrong guy, though, if you're trying to put the "argues just to argue" label on. Try LMD and the old Cope (the new Cope seems to focus a lot more on the substantive and less on the rhetoric).Yes yes, I know ... I'm just a babbling morn ... whaaaaatever Link to post Share on other sites
Nimue1995 1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 You're no Tina Fey.Thank goodness. Of course she does have a lot of material to work with in Sarah Palin. Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Would it have made any sense to have made the Jokes about a man (without stretching reason)? ...that, pretty much by definition, is what makes it "sexist".Well, first off, you have to find the male equivalent of a female beauty pageant. But yes, people make jokes about men in those kinds of situations all the time. A preppy guy being called a Ken doll. Or jokes about male dancers. Or w/e really.Here's how you make the same joke for a guy:Find an Alaskan version of John Edwards and call him "Caribou Ken"Might not be funny, but the Caribou Barbie joke isn't sexist in the least. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 http://vodkapundit.com/?p=10344Good piece on why ayers matters - for those here who care Link to post Share on other sites
Nimue1995 1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 http://vodkapundit.com/?p=10344Good piece on why ayers matters - for those here who careDo you really think that anyone does? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Insert pot calling kettle black joke here...oh wait I think I just did rofl at the Nimue rant you quoted. I'll make a deal with the devil. Go back in time and disqualify all Kennedy's from politics because their fortune was made from bootlegging and I'll give up both Bush's. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Would it have made any sense to have made the Jokes about a man (without stretching reason)? ...that, pretty much by definition, is what makes it "sexist".No, that is not what makes something sexist.Judging her based on her sex rather than on her merit would be sexist. Calling her as a beauty pageant queen is a merit-based assessment. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Do you really think that anyone does?Everyone should careI believe that Obama and Ayers were in fact close. But look: even if they weren't that close it would hardly mean Ayers is insignificant. Anyone who understands politics understands that who a president listens to is relevant. Who will the commander-in-chief let in the room? From what direction will he take advice? Who is on his "team" and who isn't? What's a reasonable argument and what isn't? Even if Obama personally disliked Ayers and disagreed with his politics in meaningful ways, Obama still found Ayers to be someone worth listening to and working with. Ditto Jeremiah Wright. They were in his tent, not outside it. Ayers and Wright may be more extreme than Obama. Indeed, they surely are. But there is very little evidence in the record that Obama's ideological compass doesn't point in their direction. I don't think Americans should be single issue voters on the Ayers stuff. But I think it is absurd to argue — as the NY Times implicitly does — that this is all meaningless because Obama and Ayers were allegedly less than soulmates.Again imagine a similar relationship between McCain and an abortion clinic bomber and the Times running a story a month before the election reassuring that it's no big deal because McCain and Mr. Planned Parenthood Bomber weren't "close." Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Oh, and odds on whether 85suited responds to post #146? Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 You have to do more than show an association. IYou have to show negative influence. Let's say this guy taught Obama that lower taxes are better for the economy, do you have a problem with that? You are implying that Obama has a negative quality because of his association with this person you don't like, that he shares the negative qualities with that person due to his association. But there's no evidence of that. The negative influence is his extreme socialism/marxist views - plenty of evidence of thatWhat do you think about Liddy, who also held a fundraiser for McCain in his house, has made several contributions to the campaign, greeted McCain as an "old friend" on a radio show, to which mccain replied "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." I see you received your talking points memo today, G. Gordon Liddy Convicted Burglar with a big mouth - William Ayers Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist, not quite the same thing...But McCain should have been smarter than to have ever been with him. The difference here is, that when asked, McCain might actually tell you the extent of their relation, not try and cover it up, This is an old friend of John McCain's, does that bother you? it bothers me if they have worked to together off and on for 20 years and helped mccain break his way into politcs...have they, did he?? DO you have anything else besides a fundraiser or an appearance on his radio show? Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wait, now Obama is a marxist? Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wait, now Obama is a marxist?yup Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 rofl at the Nimue rant you quoted. I'll make a deal with the devil. Go back in time and disqualify all Kennedy's from politics because their fortune was made from bootlegging and I'll give up both Bush's.behind every great fortune is a great crime. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Yeah, this is an isolated anecdotal incident and not something that Sarah Palin has been dealing with since she entered the national spotlight.replace Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton and this sentence is actually more true. Anything that gets the GOP in touch with its feminine side is progress I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
TrulyRaNd0m 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 What I found sexist about the comment was that Nimue gave her some theoretical bimbo position, when Sarah Palin would probably be more than qualified to be a Secretary in many different departments, especially energyI'm sick of the ranting towards Sarah Palin. Call me bitter because my side is losing. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 If you take Sarah Palin's name and use the "S" and an "A", then add a "T", then take another "A" and the final "N"......you get "Satan".Coincidence?saw this on digg:sarah palin --> p.s. anal hair Link to post Share on other sites
Nimue1995 1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I think everyone missed the point of my post on McCain's father-in-law. The point was that every politician has some unsavory supporters and/or associates at one time or another. And sometimes it's even a requirement to get ahead in politics to have some association with characters that you might otherwise avoid. Of course Obama didn't marry Ayer's daughter. But the reality of politics in Chicago seems to be that you might be on a board or a member of some other political organization that would include people like Ayers in it. And the same goes for McCain. Being a poltician means that at some time or other you might be a member of the same organization or have someone you'd rather not give you a fundraiser give you one. It's the way it is. I believe the 85 has a huge itch about Ayers that's over the top the way she keeps harping and harping and harping on the same points over and over as if it's going to change someone's mind if she says it often enough. Get over it already 85. You've made your point and those that care will care and those that won't, won't. You're not changing anybody's mind here. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I think everyone missed the point of my post on McCain's father-in-law. The point was that every politician has some unsavory supporters and/or associates at one time or another. And sometimes it's even a requirement to get ahead in politics to have some association with characters that you might otherwise avoid. Of course Obama didn't marry Ayer's daughter. But the reality of politics in Chicago seems to be that you might be on a board or a member of some other political organization that would include people like Ayers in it. And the same goes for McCain. Being a poltician means that at some time or other you might be a member of the same organization or have someone you'd rather not give you a fundraiser give you one. It's the way it is. I believe the 85 has a huge itch about Ayers that's over the top the way she keeps harping and harping and harping on the same points over and over as if it's going to change someone's mind if she says it often enough. Get over it already 85. You've made your point and those that care will care and those that won't, won't. You're not changing anybody's mind here....and just exactly who's mind are you planning on changing with your posts?Yet another Pot/Kettle comment.If Ocho-Cinco feels Ayers is important and wants to keep stating that he feels it is an important issue, why do you feel the duty to try and argue with him about it?You keep declaring it as an non-issue. Some of us feel otherwise - so get over that. You're no more empowered than the rest of us to declare it a dead issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Nimue1995 1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 ...and just exactly who's mind are you planning on changing with your posts?Yet another Pot/Kettle comment.If Ocho-Cinco feels Ayers is important and wants to keep stating that he feels it is an important issue, why do you feel the duty to try and argue with him about it?You keep declaring it as an non-issue. Some of us feel otherwise - so get over that. You're no more empowered than the rest of us to declare it a dead issue.Thought 85 was a she. If I'm wrong then I apologize. Anyway he/she is using the same debate tactic that my husband tries with me called the "Chinese Water Torture Technique". Keep arguing the same points over and over again no matter what is said in response and eventually you'll wear the opposition down to the point they'll agree with you just to get you to shut up. It doesn't work with me by the way, because I'm perfectly capable of using the same technique in response. That's why he and I don't debate politics much . Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Im In Shock!!!!CNN Actually Reports on Ayers-Obama Connectionhttp://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSF...on_ayerso_1.aspCNN's Drew Griffin reports that Obama and Ayers funded niche lefty causes and Jeremiah Wright's church. And a number of sources who attended Obama's coming out party hosted by Ayers in 1995 dispute the Obama camp's portrayal of that meeting:Obama campaign representative Anita Dunn: A Democratic state senator organizes a meeting of her supporters at the house of another one of her supporters. ... It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that that says something about Barack Obama....CNN reporter Drew Griffin: What I can tell you from two people who were actually there is that, number one, former [Democratic] state senator Alice Palmer says she in no way organized this meeting. She was invited and attended it briefly.Dr. Quentin Young, a retired doctor, told us this indeed was Barack Obama's political coming out party, and it was hosted by Bill Ayers.Isn't that a little more interesting for viewers than reporters' analysis of McCain's strategy of "playing" the "Ayers card"? You'd think that more journalists would want to focus on Obama's distortion of the truth, but it seems that mainstream reporters would prefer to play the bigot card on McCain by suggesting that Ayers-related attacks are "racially-tinged" and designed to challenge Obama's "Americanness". Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Wow ..no comment from any of the Libs here Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Wow ..no comment from any of the Libs herelol at no comment. the thread is 10 pages long. how many more comments could there be?Here is the important comment. This accusation has not backfired on McCain, nor has it helped him make up any ground. Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 McCain has a new ad out today portraying Obama as buddies with Ayers. Let's see if it sticks, does any good or harm for McCain. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 lol at no comment. the thread is 10 pages long. how many more comments could there be?Here is the important comment. This accusation has not backfired on McCain, nor has it helped him make up any ground.Many here thought this was a made up story from conservative talk radio...as I said all along.. If it isnt a big deal...he should just tell the truth....even if admitted it... he could still win now Link to post Share on other sites
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