85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I find your unwillingness to engage in a back and forth conversation to be debilitating to your credibility.Explain why it is bad that so many former radicals support Obama when McCain is probably (definitely) "pwning" the KKK vote. Should we assume McCain sympathizes with KKK aims?Did McCain have a fund raiser with the KKK?Did McCain sit on boards with the KKK and funnel Annenbergs money to Ayers terrorist friends?We can continue this in the AM... I am headed to bed... Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Did McCain have a fund raiser with the KKK?Did McCain sit on boards with the KKK and funnel Annenbergs money to Ayers terrorist friends?We can continue this in the AM... I am headed to bed...have a good night. I dont think Obama ever had an SDS fundraiser. I am sure McCain has sat on a board with a virulent racist before. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I've actually fallen into their trap by defending Ayers at all just because I think those were interesting timesYeah.They "trapped" you into sympathizing with an apparent terorist.How sneaky and unfair of them.All I can say to the above list is: so what? I lived through the sixties and there were a great number of young people who protested the war in Vietnam and many of them became enamored of the SDS and other like organizations. But you know what? Just like it says in your article, THEY GREW UP. They figured out that there were better ways to get things done than protesting and bombing things. Even your "terrorist" Ayers says that his statement that "they didn't do enough" didn't have anything to do with bombing shit. It had to do with fighting against the war which he still passionately believes was right. I know when I was college age, I did some pretty stupid stuff too. And I too learned eventually to work within the system instead of trying to tear it down. If you didn't live in the era, you really don't know what the atmosphere was like in the United States and particularly on college campuses at that time. That's probably the reason that when you bring this shit up, it gets a big shrug from most of us who did (and yes I did go to college, but I just ended up taking a job instead of graduating).Silly kids and their bombs. Just looking for a form of self expression.Let's take this in three parts. Defending Ayers, Obama Associating with Ayers, Palin Bringing it Up as an Election IssueFirst, Defending Ayers - Can you (collective, not singular "you") please quit defending scum like Ayers? To do so is the definition of Sympathizing with a Terrorist. I personally find it vile when someone defends these sorts of actions - especially to excuse it as just an indescretion of youth. You (individual "you" this time) really lose much of the remainder of your credibility when you excuse this action. If someone were to come here and defend Abortion Clinic Bombers or KKK Grand Wizards, they'd be (rightfully) banned in a heartbeat - or at least drummed out as a troll unworthy of debate. Setting off bombs is NOT an acceptable form of Political Protest - defending that action is also offensiveSecondly, Guilt by Association - While it is silly to condem a candidate because someone notorious supports them, it happens all the time. Candidates are often "forced" to return political donations from questionable sources. For example, in August McCain returned $50K of campaign donations from a Foreign National. Sarah Palin gave to charity more than $1,000 in campaign contributions from two Alaska politicians who were implicated in a public corruption scandal. There was Clinton and Hsu. There are numerous examples of Politicans refusing support from questionable sources. That being said, there are a hundred million or so people who are going to vote in a month - many of them are not the salt of the earth, but I am sure each candidate will still accept their votes. It becomes more of an issue the "closer" the politican gets to the questionable individual. If there was a picture of McCain hanging out with David Duke or even Jeffrey Skilling, we'd be seeing it in Obama ads.Thirdly, using the Ayers association as an Issue - This is pretty old news but hasn't been completely used up. Many McCain supporters have been wondering when this (and several other items) would be used in a more public manner. The Obama/Biden website even has a "Fact Check" dated 17 April on the Issue - so they've been expecting it too. They (BHO/Biden) don't seem to dispute that BHO and Ayers are "Friendly" which is pretty damning in my opinion. If McCain's neighbor and associate was connected with bombings of Black Baptist Churches in the South you can be sure it would be reported and used against him. It may not be the cleanest politics, but is still well within "standard" and certainly not limited to a single Party. I don't think it is an indication of "desperation" on the part of the McCain campaign. And Literally LOL @ Nimue being a drop-out. Not saying that you have to be formally educated to be in my World - this just fits perfectly with my "profile" of her Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I find your unwillingness to engage in a back and forth conversation to be debilitating to your credibility.Explain why it is bad that so many former radicals support Obama when McCain is probably (definitely) "pwning" the KKK vote. Should we assume McCain sympathizes with KKK aims?This isnt remotely the same thing... Obama has a had a 20 yr relationship with Ayers and they have essentially covered it up during the election. You know as well I as do if Sarah Palin or JSM had started her political campaign at the foot of a radical terrorist, the MSM would have drummed her off the ticket.. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 It seems like Todd Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party got more coverage than BHO/Ayers Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 It seems like Todd Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party got more coverage than BHO/AyersI only watch Fox, based on just Fox, the sentence above is completely ridiculous. They had at least 2 specials on it, with adds in black and ominous voices. O'Reilly brought it up too. And plenty of pundits harped on about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 You libs defending the Ayers connection are looking dumb as ****. You are not, though, especially you, Keith, is this some sort of well coordinated level? Seriously an eye opener when it comes to how far you will go to defend your candidate. "He hangs with Freddy Kreuger." Answer:"Come on, man, all that shit was in the 80's and you had to be there." Ask yourself this- I have asked this and no one seems to know. Obama has denied so many connections, who IS in his inner circle? Who are his boys? Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 You libs defending the Ayers connection are looking dumb as ****. You are not, though, especially you, Keith, is this some sort of well coordinated level? Seriously an eye opener when it comes to how far you will go to defend your candidate. "He hangs with Freddy Kreuger." Answer:"Come on, man, all that shit was in the 80's and you had to be there." Ask yourself this- I have asked this and no one seems to know. Obama has denied so many connections, who IS in his inner circle? Who are his boys?I find it strange how people can try and defend 100% or attack 100% of a given politician. This seems to be a tactic that assumes that if you give anything to the opposition, it is a total defeat. To me, it is silly and destroys credibility for the other points that may actually be more valid. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I only watch Fox, based on just Fox, the sentence above is completely ridiculous. They had at least 2 specials on it, with adds in black and ominous voices. O'Reilly brought it up too. And plenty of pundits harped on about it.I know. Todd Palin didn't really get more coverage than BHO/Ayers - I was using poetic hyperbole to make a point. That Palin's association with the AIP even received any coverage was too much and isn't in even the same universe as BHO's association with an apparent Terrorist....and while I too watch Fox, I don't reccommend it as a single source of news. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I find it strange how people can trhy and defend 100% or attack 100% of a given politician. This seems to be a tactic that assumes that if you give anything to the opposition, it is a total defeat. To me, it is silly and destroys credibility for the other points that may actually be more valid. It's mind bottling. Like when your mind is in a bottle. Seriously, though, this is the sort of thing that helps cement my allegiances, in that I can't imagine myself being that snowed. "He ate a baby? Really? Well, answer me this.......when? Cause you know back in the day eating babies was the bomb diggity." Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 ...and while I too watch Fox, I don't reccommend it as a single source of news.I watch it purely for entertainment. Its my favourite thing on TV. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Here is the “resume” of an unrepentant American terrorist, William Ayers:October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.this had absoluely nothing to do with Ayers Link to post Share on other sites
Sportsmack 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 If you think that christians are about that, you haven't been paying attention.If you believe they're not, then YOU haven't been paying attention.jsedit: or you have just been taking an extremely small sampling. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 this had absoluely nothing to do with AyersDude... Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 this had absoluely nothing to do with AyersThere is nothing that went on in the WU that had "absolutely nothing" to do with Ayers and Dohrn. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 No, you guys are right, Obama is clearly running this campaign as a huge distraction to the bombing he is planning. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 No, you guys are right, Obama is clearly running this campaign as a huge distraction to the bombing he is planning.That not the point and you know it..The man associated with this guy for 20 years until it became a political liability.Most americans do not know about ayers and should. Ayers has been with Obama in some fashion through out his entire adult life, and helped shape his political idealogy, people should hear about this form the MSMLet them decide whether it is important or not... You have decided it isnt, I have decided it isInteresting story by Stanley Kurtz on how he was blocked from reviewing documents on the Chicago annenberg Challengehttp://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4Z...MmY=&w=MA== Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 That not the point and you know it..The man associated with this guy for 20 years until it became a political liability.Most americans do not know about ayers and should. Ayers has been with Obama in some fashion through out his entire adult life, and helped shape his political idealogy, people should hear about this form the MSMLet them decide whether it is important or not... You have decided it isnt, I have decided it isIn what way did he shape Obama's political ideology that is offensive to you? He convinced Obama how awful America is? He taught him how to build a bomb? What exactly is the accusation here? What is it about Obama that you think is bad due to his "association" with this person? Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 In what way did he shape Obama's political ideology that is offensive to you? in particular the pro-China maoists/socialist/communist elements of that era and are now playing a role in his philosophy on labor,govt , schools and ever other area he wants to socializeHe convinced Obama how awful America is? cant be that bad... he is close to winning He taught him how to build a bomb? redicluousWhat exactly is the accusation here? That this man helped form him as a politicianWhat is it about Obama that you think is bad due to his "association" with this person? He is a terrorist Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 What is it about Obama that you think is bad due to his "association" with this person? He is a terroristMaybe you didn't get the significance of the italics? Or are you saying Obama is a terrorist?in particular the pro-China maoists/socialist/communist elements of that era and are now playing a role in his philosophy on labor,govt , schools and ever other area he wants to socialize/So if you don't like his policies on labor that's fine. What does that have to do with Ayers being a "terrorist"? Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I never said Obama was a terrorist.. I think his associations are daming of his judgement and they are dangerousCertainly Ayers' politics remain unapologetically authoritarian. He recently traveled to Venezuela - only the most recent of several such trips - and delivered a speech in front of Hugo Chavez in which he spoke of education as the "motor force of revolution" and his interest in "overcom[ing] the failings of capitalist education" and said he thought Chavez was creating "something truly new and deeply humane." He closed his speech by mouthing typical slogans of the authoritarian left: "Viva Mission Sucre! Viva Presidente Chavez! Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta La Victoria SiempreHaving someone like this that is close to a President Obama is dangerous IMO Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ith-terrorists/cnn analysis on their relationship - if there is any Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 There is nothing that went on in the WU that had "absolutely nothing" to do with Ayers and Dohrn.that brinks truck thing happened years after the weather underground was dissolved and nothing to do with Ayers Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 The CNN & NYT stories have been completely white washed of the facts of the case Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So if this is such a non story... Why doesn't Obama just come out say all the things he has worked with Ayers on over the years...Why hide it..."it is just a guy that lives on my street"If it is no big deal....just tell us what they did ....If the MSM investigated this as hard as troopergate .... The facts would come out Link to post Share on other sites
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