Palin Plays The Bill Ayers Card

[vbnautilus 48]

Having someone like this that is close to a President Obama is dangerous IMO

Close to a president? Because they occasionally run into each other on the street in Chicago? You seem like you have the capacity to be reasonable, don't you think this "close to a president" thing is a bit much?

[85suited 0]

Close to a president? Because they occasionally run into each other on the street in Chicago? You seem like you have the capacity to be reasonable, don't you think this "close to a president" thing is a bit much?

You arent actually buying that they occasionally run into each other... you seems like you are smart guy..In 1995, the two former Weather Underground domestic terrorists, Ayers and Dohrn, held a fundraiser for Obama’s Illinois state representative run in their own home. Not just “any” fundraiser, but the very first fundraiser for Obama, for his first run for public officeHe isnt running into him during the election because it is a liability and you know it..He disappeared just like Wright,phleger etc

[Balloon guy 158]

If you look into the Weather Underground - there is an excellant documentary about them - you'll see a bunch of pretty intelligent passionate people who probably who were caught up in extraordinary times - I don't support what they did, but what they government was doing at the time (read about COINTELPRO) was infinitely worse

You conveniently left out that they always called in advance to make sure no one was hurt and that the only people the weather underground killed were themselves during an accident

Does not compute"Violence is the last resort of a limited mind" Dabney Coleman

[jmkiser 0]

Having someone like this that is close to a President Obama is dangerous IMO

But he's not close to Obama. You seriously life for Ayers is going to change from measly professor to some massively important White House job once Obama gets elected? That's ****ing crazy and would be political suicide.

[jmkiser 0]

You arent actually buying that they occasionally run into each other... you seems like you are smart guy..In 1995, the two former Weather Underground domestic terrorists, Ayers and Dohrn, held a fundraiser for Obama’s Illinois state representative run in their own home. Not just “any” fundraiser, but the very first fundraiser for Obama, for his first run for public officeHe isnt running into him during the election because it is a liability and you know it..He disappeared just like Wright,phleger etc

Yeah..... 13 years ago he held a political fundraiser for himWOWStill, no one cares... there's a reason MSM hasn't made a big deal about this and only Hannity/Limbaugh/conservative talk radio hosts have

[copernicus 0]

that brinks truck thing happened years after the weather underground was dissolved and nothing to do with Ayers

Huh?"On October 20, 1981 the Weather Underground combined forces with the Black Liberation Army to rob a Brink's armored truck. Two policemen and a Brink's guard were killed. The Black Liberation Army members Jeral Wayne Williams (aka Mutulu Shakur), Donald Weems (aka Kuwasi Balagoon), Samuel Smith and Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga), Cecilio "Chui" Ferguson, Samuel Brown (aka Solomon Bouines) with five members of the Weather Underground (David Gilbert, Samuel Brown, Judith Alice Clark, Kathy Boudin, and Marilyn Buck) stole $1.6 million from a Brink's armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York. All the perpertrators were eventually captured and tried. Kathy Boudin's child with David Gilbert, Chesa, was raised to adulthood by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, while she was in prison."

[vbnautilus 48]

You arent actually buying that they occasionally run into each other... you seems like you are smart guy..In 1995, the two former Weather Underground domestic terrorists, Ayers and Dohrn, held a fundraiser for Obama’s Illinois state representative run in their own home. Not just “any” fundraiser, but the very first fundraiser for Obama, for his first run for public officeHe isnt running into him during the election because it is a liability and you know it..He disappeared just like Wright,phleger etc

So then everyone who holds a fundraiser for Obama is close to the president? If I hold a fundraiser in my home does that make me close to him?The New York Times article cited by Palin concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers." Other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

[keith crime 8]

Huh?"On October 20, 1981 the Weather Underground combined forces with the Black Liberation Army to rob a Brink's armored truck. Two policemen and a Brink's guard were killed. The Black Liberation Army members Jeral Wayne Williams (aka Mutulu Shakur), Donald Weems (aka Kuwasi Balagoon), Samuel Smith and Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga), Cecilio "Chui" Ferguson, Samuel Brown (aka Solomon Bouines) with five members of the Weather Underground (David Gilbert, Samuel Brown, Judith Alice Clark, Kathy Boudin, and Marilyn Buck) stole $1.6 million from a Brink's armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York. All the perpertrators were eventually captured and tried. Kathy Boudin's child with David Gilbert, Chesa, was raised to adulthood by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, while she was in prison."

it had nothing to do with the weather underground - again they were dissolved - ayers and his wife did agree to raise their sonbut ayers had nothing to do with that robberyCertain members remained underground and joined other radical groups. Years after the dissolution of the WUO, former members Kathy Boudin, Judith Alice Clark, and David Gilbert formed the May 19 Communist Organization, which eventually joined with the Black Liberation Army. On October 20, 1981, in Nyack New York, the group robbed a Brinks armored truck containing $1.6 million. The robbery turned violent, resulting in the murder of two police officers and a security guard.[17] Boudin, Clark, and Gilbert were found guilty and sentenced to lengthy terms in prison, considered the “last gasps” of the Weather Underground.Also, and I'm not defending what Ayers did - you should think about and read about what was going on with the governments COINTEL program that led to charges against him being dismissed. it was an ugly time all around

[copernicus 0]

it had nothing to do with the weather underground - again they were dissolved - ayers and his wife did agree to raise their sonbut ayers had nothing to do with that robbery

dont be silly. If Gilbert and Boudin were involved Ayers and Dohrn had something to do with it. It doesnt take a formal structure, and there is even dispute about whether there still was.

[keith crime 8]

dont be silly. If Gilbert and Boudin were involved Ayers and Dohrn had something to do with it. It doesnt take a formal structure, and there is even dispute about whether there still was.

i don't know exactly how to refute the "they did too" argument

[copernicus 0]

i don't know exactly how to refute the "they did too" argument

By demonstrating something that would have caused them to not be at least aware of it, and then turn around and take G/B's kid. It defies common sense and the depth of the relationship the 4 of them had.

[El Guapo 8]

Keith why are you defending this guy? You are sounding crazy/ridiculous.

[keith crime 8]

Keith why are you defending this guy? You are sounding crazy/ridiculous.

i know i shouldn't - it deflects from whether obama knows him and supports himI'm just trying to say that the guy was hardly a beast and that the times were more complicated than those that just yell terrorist blindly are willing to admit or think aboutI just hate when people take complicated issues and make them black and white

[85suited 0]

The New York Times article cited by Palin concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers." Other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

The New York Times has white washed the story to protect BHOhttp://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Z...mEzOGRiZmFkNWE=http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/ob...-show-bill.html

[85suited 0]

Again, if this isnt a big deal.. He should be able to easily answer the questionsWhen did you first meet Bill Ayers? When did you first meet Bernardine Dohrn? When did you first learn that they were unrepentant terrorists? Did you ever tell either of them that you condemned their terrorist activities? Did you ever express reservations to anyone about serving on boards with Ayers? About funding his radical educational initiatives? About having him host a political reception for you? About accepting a campaign contribution from him? How many times have you or your wife been in his home? How many times have he or Dohrn been in yours? Did you meet with Ayers before becoming chair of the CAC board? When did you last have any communication with Ayers or Dohrn?

[jmkiser 0]

Again, if this isnt a big deal.. He should be able to easily answer the questions .... no one actually cares except you and the hannity/limbaugh crowdWhen did you first meet Bill Ayers? no one caresWhen did you first meet Bernardine Dohrn? no one caresWhen did you first learn that they were unrepentant terrorists? this is such a biased question... couldn't just ask "when did you know about stuff he did in the past?"... no, that wouldn't help JSM's campaign enough...Did you ever tell either of them that you condemned their terrorist activities? did John McCain condemn Falwell to his face about his words? BHO said the acts were despicable on national tv... that's "condemning" enough for usDid you ever express reservations to anyone about serving on boards with Ayers? no one caresAbout funding his radical educational initiatives? no one caresAbout having him host a political reception for you? no one caresAbout accepting a campaign contribution from him? no one caresHow many times have you or your wife been in his home? his line of questioning is seriously ridiculous... "AH! a left-wing radical (i'm sorry UNREPENTANT TERORRIST /cue damning music) stepped foot in my house! Oh no! I'm now completely disqualified to run for any political office"How many times have he or Dohrn been in yours? see aboveDid you meet with Ayers before becoming chair of the CAC board? no one caresWhen did you last have any communication with Ayers or Dohrn? no one cares

You're line of questioning is completely disingenuous. If you actually cared about Obama's relationships, you would be wondering what kind of an affect or what BHO thinks or feels about what Ayer's did (which you got your answer... BHO condemned his past actions.... but that's not good enough for you and you still have a campaign to try and salvage).Anyone could completely understand wanting to know whether or not BHO looked favorably on what Ayer's did, but attempting to condemn him just because he KNEW the guy is ridiculous.You're treating this as if everything Ayer's touches is a disease. According to you, now every student that has ever walked into Ayer's classroom has "TEWWOWIST CONNECTIONS /again cue damning music". His gardener works for an "UNREPENTANT TEWWOWIST". His doctor cares and treats an "UNREPENTANT TEWWOWIST".You're Ayer's fear mongering is weak and no one's buying it.

[85suited 0]

your response is typical... and meaningless...The fact is millions care and would care more if it was actually reported to the extend of Troopergate, The Alaska Idependence Party, Book Banning etc etcIf there is nothing to hide... answer the questions... pretty simple to me

[jmkiser 0]

your response is typical... and meaningless...The fact is millions care and would care more if it was actually reported to the extend of Troopergate, The Alaska Idependence Party, Book Banning etc etcIf there is nothing to hide... answer the questions... pretty simple to me

Hey BHO, why don't you throw your campaign for a loop and play into the hands of a biased voter and try to please him by answering biased questions that no one really cares about? Also, keep in mind, no matter what you say, he's still going to hate you and not vote for you.Also let's see.... the stupid Ayers crap... BHO didn't circumvent/break any law or even do anything wrong... Troopergate.... SP possibly misused her power (given by the people who voted for her) to take care of a personal issueI wonder... hm.... why in the world would the MSM cover the Trooper issue more then the Ayers issue (which isn't even an issue)

[irishguy 14]

your response is typical... and meaningless...The fact is millions care and would care more if it was actually reported to the extend of Troopergate, The Alaska Idependence Party, Book Banning etc etcIf there is nothing to hide... answer the questions... pretty simple to me

His response is reasonableFor almost two years the Ayers story has been mentioned and refuted as nothing more then aquintances and yes even in the msm. Palin has been a national name for a month and is a month away from the election do you not see why this has led to a barrage of media? Troopergate has gotten plenty of attention but The Alaska Independance Party and book banning issue haven't had nearly the coverage. I do look forward to your post/thread of all the questions you'd like to ask Palin regarding the AIP though.

[85suited 0]

The fact is he was and has been involved with both Ayers and his wife most of his political career. He knew and knows their past. If he were principled, he would have refused to be involved with them or what they do and he would “be on the record throughout his career distancing himself from them”. He does not distance himself until he is called on it in this presidential race. Too little too late. If he were principled he would not have launched his political career in their living room

[copernicus 0]

The New York Times has white washed the story to protect BHOhttp://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Z...mEzOGRiZmFkNWE=http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/ob...-show-bill.html

Interesting connection noted in the global labor article. It may be nothing more than interesting, I need to research the timeline better."In fact, an exchange of letters in late 1994, copies of which I obtained from Brown University and links to which are provided below, between Vartan Gregorian, then President of Brown and the individual responsible for assessing applications for grants from the national Annenberg Challenge, and Bill Ayers, the founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, demonstrates that Ayers played a direct role in "composing" the Challenge's board of directors. Another exchange of letters between Gregorian and Adele Simmons, then President of the Chicago-based MacArthur Foundation and an advisor to Ayers, confirms the active personal role of Ayers in selecting board members."Ive mentioned before that I worked on Biden's campaign finance committee as a result of my boss, Joel Boyarsky, requring his senior staff to do so. Ive also mentioned that Joel Boyarsky, who became Bidens finance committee chairman for his first Presidential run, was the richest person Ive ever known, making 10-15 million a year as an insurance salesman, and that JB's interest in Biden was because of his efforts (on behalf of a consortium of buyers) to buy "an insurance company" and receive favorable treatment in Delaware.Well, the insurance company JB made that money as a General Agent with, and the insurance company he was attempting to buy, was Chicago Based Bankers Life and Casualty, divested under Illinois State Law from.....the MacArthur Foundation. It was sold to ICH Corporation in 1984 , a Delaware insurance holding company. Bidens second Senate run was in 1984. Im trying to find the principals of ICH at the time. I would be surprised if Mr. JB was not one of them.Was Obama picking Biden related? Ive forwarded this information to Stanley Kurtz at NRO, just for the hell of it. If he follows up and theres a deeper connection...you read it here first.

[irishguy 14]

The fact is he was and has been involved with both Ayers and his wife most of his political career. He knew and knows their past. If he were principled, he would have refused to be involved with them or what they do and he would “be on the record throughout his career distancing himself from them”. He does not distance himself until he is called on it in this presidential race. Too little too late. If he were principled he would not have launched his political career in their living room

The fact is he knows these people and the fact is he has publically condemend there actions and those are as far as facts go. You want to start discussions on principles then start throwing up threads regarding McCain condeming what the Falwells, Robertsons etc said regarding 9/11 before graciously excepting there endorsement this go around and while we're at it we can discuss his principles in regards to screwing around on his injured first wife etc but it's clear you don't want to start discussions you just want to make your point and ignore the merit of the responses.

[85suited 0]

The fact is he knows these people and the fact is he has publically condemend there actions and those are as far as facts go.

You have your head in the sand... He condemend them when he had to politicallyOh wait.. I thought it was just some guy that lives in his neighborhood... why condemn that guy..

[85suited 0]

if Tim McVeigh had been released on a technicality, then initiated and continued a WORKING relationship with John McCain in, say, a foundation promoting support for veterans ... ... all the while telling us that he wished he could do more than "just" what he did in OKC to "keep the black helicopters away" ...... would you blow it off so easy?

[Nimue1995 1]

Let's see 8-5, do you really want to bring up old associations and FUND RAISING when your candidate has Charles Keating in his past as a big campaign donor, gave McCain trips to the Bahamas, and a sweetheart deal with his wife and father-in-law investing in a shopping center. Do you really want to go into guilt by association. And if we're going to go this way, then why should I care that the Senate only found McCain guilty of poor judgment (mainly because most of McCain's interaction with Keating was while he was in the House so the Senate didn't have jurisdiction) You want to try to tell me that Keating didn't get anything from McCain for all that money? And now Keating is a CONVICTED FELON. Interesting thing about that. Ayers was never convicted of ANYTHING. See 2 can play the association game.