I Am Bored At Work

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Where the hell are these games that are so passive preflop?Every casino I've gone down to in AC like 9 out of 10 hands get raised preflop, and the standard open raise is gianormous... like 6-7 BB'sAnd all my friends raise like... everything preflop in the dumbass home games we play.I find preflop play to be softer in online play... people refuse to go beyond a three bet even with aces and kings.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Where the hell are these games that are so passive preflop?Every casino I've gone down to in AC like 9 out of 10 hands get raised preflop, and the standard open raise is gianormous... like 6-7 BB'sAnd all my friends raise like... everything preflop in the dumbass home games we play.I find preflop play to be softer in online play... people refuse to go beyond a three bet even with aces and kings.

Yeah, people might raise preflop, but a TON more people limp and hardly nobody reraises without a real hand. The way people react to bullies who are raising too much is to call preflop, call flop, call turn and call river. It's pretty gay.

[simo_8ball 0]

The way people react to bullies who are raising too much is to call preflop, call flop, call turn and call river. It's pretty gay.

Yep.Standard thing is that you c/bet the flop, and then when he calls you think he was floating you, so you fire the turn. When he calls you're done with the hand, except on the river:1) The draw hits, so you fire out to represent it. He calls because he had the draw.or2) The draw misses, so you fire out again because he is now folding his busted draw. He calls because he had top pair.

[tskillz187 0]

Yeah, people might raise preflop, but a TON more people limp and hardly nobody reraises without a real hand. The way people react to bullies who are raising too much is to call preflop, call flop, call turn and call river. It's pretty gay.

It's pretty awesome. I strongly believe that getting a foundation in live play stunted my growth as a poker player huge. My preflop game was soooooo bad because of all the bad habits I learned live. There simply aren't the implied odds online that are there live and it definitely hurt me.And I agree with the post above, except it's not gay, it's glorious. The 3-betting and 4-betting preflop online just doesn't exist live (at least not where I've played), and it makes the game much tougher to control. Basically I'd give the advantage to any winning $50 max player over a 2-5nl live table.I guess to close out my piece for Andromeda, the success doesn't correlate because the game is tougher. If all of us could beat 3-6, 5-10 online we'd be playing it and beating it. That's not to say that I don't think any of us can. I'll speak for myself and say I would lose at $600max 6 max online. I have a winning record over a small sample at $1000max but I highly doubt it would have staying power.Look at the people in the challenge thread. There are some very sound players in there, players that if they contributed to the strat forum would bring the talent level up a ton here. Look at their HH, a lot of the very good players are playing anywhere from $200-$600 max. The games are just tough. Those guys would all be huge favorites in a 5-10live setting.

[tskillz187 0]

While I'm on my rant - preflop play is so huge online that it's insane. I can't believe how important that street is and how generally overlooked it is by most players. It's super hard to overcome preflop leaks. I think I'm a very sound post flop player and I would struggle at low limits because my preflop game was wayyyyy too passive. Just because I was used to making up that money by stacking someone when I hit or got a big hand. Those opportunities are not as frequent online if you are playing passive. The pot is just too small because of no preflop action.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Yep.Standard thing is that you c/bet the flop, and then when he calls you think he was floating you, so you fire the turn. When he calls you're done with the hand, except on the river:1) The draw hits, so you fire out to represent it. He calls because he had the draw.or2) The draw misses, so you fire out again because he is now folding his busted draw. He calls because he had top pair.or3) The draw hits, so you fire out to represent it. He calls because he had top pair.

FYP

[simo_8ball 0]

FYP

Oops, forgot that one.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'm thinking that I'd like to see some online poker videos done by my respected peers. Zach "XAQ" Morphy did some PLO videos in his usual clown style, which I enjoyed. I imagining someone (e.g., Acid Knight, nudge, nudge) taking this a little more seriously, and it sounds pretty compelling to me.

Ok, I went home at Lunch at watched the first one of those, which was hilarious.I think if I did it, I'd probably be doing the same thing he did. I dunno. Is that a simple thing to set up or no?

[No_Neck 0]

month so far. Meh...

[CobaltBlue 662]

I wish I knew why I sucked playing live. Part of me feels like I run horrendously. I know I've been oversetted 4 times live...and I don't think I've ever oversetted anyone. I've also only cashed in like 2/30 live tournaments I've played. I mean, I guess a big part of that is sample size, but it drives me nuts, cause I know the games are beatable.I recently read "Bigger Deal" by Tony Holden...he kept talking about how he'd sit down in 2/5 and 5/10 NL live games and consistently pick up a buyin or two over a few hours...and from his writing, he doesn't sound like a very "good" player. That knowledge really frustrated me.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I think if I did it, I'd probably be doing the same thing he did. I dunno. Is that a simple thing to set up or no?

I dunno. I'm playing around with ultravnc recorder to see if can get it to work.

[Zach6668 513]

Camtasia or something like that.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

I dunno. I'm playing around with ultravnc recorder to see if can get it to work.

http://www.debugmode.com/wink/It's free (open source). It's still "beta", but so is google heh.I use wink at work. Not sure what video format you're working with, but if you're planning on posting it on your own webspae it can automatically set it up in flash, including the html page. I think it might support others but I really haven't had the need.You can also use it to make a pdf file frame by frame, if you wanted that for whatever reason :)I haven't tried it for anything longer than 15 minutes, but it's really solid and the frame by frame editor is really easy to use. It includes timing bars if you want to freeze on a frame, placeable notes, and a bunch of other features I haven't got around to trying out. I believe you can overlay audio with it too. The hot button start/stop record is nice too :)It took me all of 10 minutes to learn and I was flying around... and didn't have to open the help file it's pretty intuitive.

[No_Neck 0]

Anyone from here going to Foxwoods this weekend? FCP meet up baby.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I'll be the first to admit that live poker is so much easier than online (not online 2 years ago, but online now) becuase the players really do suck. There were so many fundamental flaws in my game playing 5/10 NL live that I knew about (ie, EP hand selection and limp/calling raises) but that didn't matter because my postflop skills and the general ineptitude of my opponents cancelled it all out.

That's easy enough to fix. Do you think the live preflop "mistakes" were actually losing you money overall, or were you still making money on those hands? That is, if you tighten all up from on-line and bring that style back to your 5/10, what happens to your expectation? Oh, and we're conflating live with casino here in a big way. Many of the underground games are tough as hell after midnight, when all the fools have gone broke. *sniff* I miss those guys.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

That's easy enough to fix. Do you think the live preflop "mistakes" were actually losing you money overall, or were you still making money on those hands? That is, if you tighten all up from on-line and bring that style back to your 5/10, what happens to your expectation?

I tried playing online style TAG at a live cash game all of once... every pot I took down was uncontested except when I had to c-c the nut straight in a multiway pot on a paired, 3 flush board. Sure it was profitable, but people stopped leaking to me postflop *and* my threebets preflop were *never* called, which kind of sucks.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I tried playing online style TAG at a live cash game all of once... every pot I took down was uncontested except when I had to c-c the nut straight in a multiway pot on a paired, 3 flush board. Sure it was profitable, but people stopped leaking to me postflop *and* my threebets preflop were *never* called, which kind of sucks.

You gotta give action to get it.

[Acid_Knight 2]

You gotta give action to get it.

Not online.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I wish I knew why I sucked playing live. Part of me feels like I run horrendously. I know I've been oversetted 4 times live...and I don't think I've ever oversetted anyone. I've also only cashed in like 2/30 live tournaments I've played. I mean, I guess a big part of that is sample size, but it drives me nuts, cause I know the games are beatable.I recently read "Bigger Deal" by Tony Holden...he kept talking about how he'd sit down in 2/5 and 5/10 NL live games and consistently pick up a buyin or two over a few hours...and from his writing, he doesn't sound like a very "good" player. That knowledge really frustrated me.

I run horrendously period. I had not one but TWO people apologizing to me last night for the beats they laid on me within an hour. I just want my 80% favorites to hold up half the time. I'd be a ****ng poker brazillionaire.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

You gotta give action to get it.

That's why I cross-styled a grand total of once.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Not online.

Have you been playing much lately?

[tskillz187 0]

You gotta give action to get it.

I don't think I ever give a ton of action. And I can definitely get a ton. Just by limping all the time people think you are a maniac and give you action not noticing that you only pump the pot when you hit hard. That's just how bad the game is where I play.I would think I'd get MORE action playing tighter and more aggressive preflop just because I'd be reraising PF so often and pots would be much bigger. I would look much more maniacal and they certainly wouldn't notice that it's only in position. They'd just see every pot I played had more than $100 in it.

[dms26 3]

I run horrendously period. I had not one but TWO people apologizing to me last night for the beats they laid on me within an hour. I just want my 80% favorites to hold up half the time. I'd be a ****ng poker brazillionaire.

At least you know you're a Sklansky brazillionaire

[Acid_Knight 2]

Have you been playing much lately?

Only online. About 20k hands in the last 30 days.

[Acid_Knight 2]

That's easy enough to fix. Do you think the live preflop "mistakes" were actually losing you money overall, or were you still making money on those hands? That is, if you tighten all up from on-line and bring that style back to your 5/10, what happens to your expectation?

I'm interested to see what happens when I go back to playing more live poker, which will hopefully come about in January. I think that I was bleedling a little money overall with some of the plays that I made, but it really ensured that I got full action when I did hit. I'd imagine with the bulletproof LAG image that I have from the players who know me, I could go back with a tighter game and have a slightly higher expectation.