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Hello, I'm a dealer at a card club here in San Diego and the answer to your question is NO. All raises do not have to verbally declared. If you put all three racks in the middle they are in play. It is chrystal clear you were raising and I'm assuming the dealer at your table is either inexperienced and or already had to call the floor a bunch that day and just wanted to make sure what was going on before any sort of dispute formed.

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Good point.See above for good point as to why you haven't had a problem with that.I just hope the dealer isn't asleep at the switch and knows how to control his/her table.
Yes, the dealer definitely has to control the table. I'm a pretty mild mannered guy and am not very outgoing and open with people, but when I deal, it's my table and the players know it. I keep the action moving and don't take any crap.
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In my opinion it can't be a question whether or not the racked chips are in play.He's playing the hand, so the chips play - he can't just voluntarily take chips away from the table before he plays his "last" hand - if his opponent has 99 (or whatever the nuts are), he would be rightfully angry to not be able to double up here.
LOL..I agree, and that's exactly what I was saying. I have not seen a situation where they didn't play.I just meant "depends on the casino" in the question of whether you can play with your racks all the time or not.
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Hello, I'm a dealer at a card club here in San Diego and the answer to your question is NO. All raises do not have to verbally declared. If you put all three racks in the middle they are in play. It is chrystal clear you were raising and I'm assuming the dealer at your table is either inexperienced and or already had to call the floor a bunch that day and just wanted to make sure what was going on before any sort of dispute formed.
That makes the most sense. The dealer probably never saw someone push racks out like that and just wanted to be clear what you meant... even though it was obvious.And thanks to wilco and BD on the rack issue. That was just one of the old wives' tales I had heard, but it didn't make sense for the racks not to play, especially in that situation.
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3c) If you push in more than one chip larger than the amount to call, it is a raise, and the amount you put in is your raise. If it's not big enough for a min-raise, you must add to it for the min-raise. If you can't make it work out, say "call" before you put any chips in.
That's not true. If you're playing 1/2 and someone raises to 7 and you throw in 2 reds it will be considered a call.Rules about playing out of a rack vary by casino but NL is table stakes everywhere I've ever heard of and part of table stakes means you can't take chips off the table. In most cases it's considered poor etiquette to play out of a rack though if you're racking up to leave when you take your last hand I don't think anyone would complain.I suspect the dealer was just trying to confirm that OP really intended to push all-in there and there's nothing wrong with that. And I pretty much never verbally declare a bet/raise unless I want to raise to 12 and only have reds or something like that.
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Very bad etiquette to play out of a rack for anything more than your last orbit...Especially playing a "timed" game.So annoying.And Psujouhn with your 2 red chip analogy we are just arguing samantics now I think we all get or have always gotten the point but ty.

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I think it comes into effect in NL games if someone goes all-in, but doesn't have enough for at least half a raise. If it's at least half a raise, it reopens the betting. If it's less than half a raise (i.e. pushing $125 into a $100 bet) the other players can only call.Happens more in tourneys than cash games, but comes up in both.
No, only a full raise re-opens the betting. Unless you're playing in a house/room that says differently, haha. Poker so needs to accept RRoP as the standard everywhere.
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Im going to side with the dealer on this one particular situation. You had all your chips ready to get up and leave and bet 25, villian raises, and you put stacks of chips with no comment. If you are the shy type that doesnt like to talk or is paranoid about making a verbal comment, just put your thumb up Humberto style.Most of the time it is obvious what the intention was. , but being you were about to get up, i can see the confusion. Just say raise though.

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Most dealers blow.Present company excluded, of course.
Of course.
For the record, I'm not anti-semantic.
I see what you did there.
i have found you have to verbally declare a raise. if you didn't it's a call. if i am raising i ALWAYS say raise
Don't play there anymore.
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I've played poker all over the world and what this has taught me is that the rules in every card room and country are different and can vary.To be safe I now ALWAYS verbally declare what I'm going to do, its the only way to make sure you don't get shafted by some local rule.

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I'm super paraniod of giving off any tells. So my appearence and actions are very scripted.When I play I wear :Blue JeansCollared ShirtFW JacketSunglassesI smoke pot (put cologne on)I get wasted but take breaks and pound beers and take shots away from the table as wellOnce High or Drunk Glasses never come off.Never say a word while in a hand, but shoot the **** in between hands.

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I think it's in your interest to be as clear as possible with what you are doing. That's why I don't like this:

I tell him "Well it looks like I'm all in"
The dealer is asking for clarification and your response is sarcastic or something, and leavessome ambiguity. It sounds kinda like you are pulling something. Just say "I'm all in."
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Yes, I agree with this.And when you are the first one to bet, don't say "raise". You are not raising. You are betting.And even in that vein, there is no reason to say "bet". Either just freakin' bet, or state an amount.And don't fart at the table.I'm done!
no ****...I farted right as I was reading that...J
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Last night at a B&M after playing in a 2-5NL game for about five hours I had just under $1500 in chips and told the dealer that it was my last round. I was UTG, my very last hand of the night, had my chips racked up and ready to go. Hero gets dealt 5d5s and called a $25 raiseFlop 3c5c9dI bet $75Vill makes it $175, has about $600 moreI push my three racks of red in and the dealer asks me "What is that?" I tell him "Well it looks like I'm all in"Question: Is there any way or in any card room that this would not be considered an all in raise?
Throwing in ONE overchip with no verbal raise is a call. Throwing in too few chips is a call or fold and you lose the chips you put in.Putting in chips over and above the action in one motion and leaving them there is a raise.
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It's called the One Chip Rule for a reason. If you had put in one $1500 chip without saying anything, then that could be a call. As soon as you put in more than one chip, it's a raise.
QFT. Just got back from Vegas where I played in 4 tourneys at four different B&M's. Every single one stated the "one chip" rule. One chip for more than the bet without a verbal "raise" is considered a call, but multiple chips for more than a bet with no verbal instruction will be considered a raise. That said, its ALWAYS best to announce the action you desire, regardless of the particular B&M's rules.
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No, only a full raise re-opens the betting. Unless you're playing in a house/room that says differently, haha. Poker so needs to accept RRoP as the standard everywhere.
Even thought that "should" be the case, I have seen games where a half-raise re-opens betting.
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Obvious Raise-As far as Racks on the table- My local casino will not pay you a portion of a jackpot if you have racks on the table.

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Even thought that "should" be the case, I have seen games where a half-raise re-opens betting.
Yeah, that doesn't make it "right".
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I think it's in your interest to be as clear as possible with what you are doing. That's why I don't like this:The dealer is asking for clarification and your response is sarcastic or something, and leavessome ambiguity. It sounds kinda like you are pulling something. Just say "I'm all in."
Yes I can be sarcastic among other things while at the table and it was clearly a raise but there is always a chance that there is an idiot or two at the table to screw things up and this but one example.I'm going to make my actions clearer from now on.btw Vill settled it by saying "I call all in"
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