Luke00016 0 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($10)Button ($14.05)SB ($8.20)Hero (BB) ($10.85)UTG ($5.65)MP ($8.45)Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, QUTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 1 foldFlop: ($1.60) J, 5, 6(3 players)Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20, Button calls $1.20Turn: ($5.20) 8(3 players)Hero bets $4, UTG calls $3.95 (All-In), Button calls $4River: ($17.15) 10(3 players, 1 all-in)Hero?Am I ever ahead in this hand? I feel like I can't be with 2 people willing to come along, I feel like one or both of them have me killed.So, what do you all think of my line so far? And the river is a pretty clear c/f, right? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($10)Button ($14.05)SB ($8.20)Hero (BB) ($10.85)UTG ($5.65)MP ($8.45)Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, QUTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 1 foldFlop: ($1.60) J, 5, 6(3 players)Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20, Button calls $1.20Turn: ($5.20) 8(3 players)Hero bets $4, UTG calls $3.95 (All-In), Button calls $4River: ($17.15) 10(3 players, 1 all-in)Hero?Am I ever ahead in this hand? I feel like I can't be with 2 people willing to come along, I feel like one or both of them have me killed.So, what do you all think of my line so far? And the river is a pretty clear c/f, right? Button looks a lot like an AJ or something. There's no side pot to squabble over so I check/evaluate. Link to post Share on other sites
Dice_3008 1 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Can we fold considering how big the pot is and how much of our stack is already in the middle? I'm not sure we can beat both villians but I don't think I could lay this down. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I would check the turn. Your first to bet on the turn with two people flat calling your flop bet. The 8 fills a few draws that either player could have. I think your turn bet is just bloating a pot on a dangerous board for your hand.Without a diamond, I would almost want to check down as cheaply as possible and possibly fold if both players show a lot of interest in the hand.Your betting $4 on the turn leaves you getting around 5:1 odds on the river. With only about $5.15 left in your stack, I can't see you folding for that. Link to post Share on other sites
Luke00016 0 Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Can we fold considering how big the pot is and how much of our stack is already in the middle? I'm not sure we can beat both villians but I don't think I could lay this down.This is part of the mentality I have in situations like this, and I think it's really dangerous. We have to think that not only did one villain stick around on a scary'ish board, but two did. So one (or both) think they have 2 other people beaten. And then we have to keep in mind that yes, odds are nice, but we are trying to take out 2 villains here, not just one.I would check the turn. Your first to bet on the turn with two people flat calling your flop bet. The 8 fills a few draws that either player could have. I think your turn bet is just bloating a pot on a dangerous board for your hand.Without a diamond, I would almost want to check down as cheaply as possible and possibly fold if both players show a lot of interest in the hand.Your betting $4 on the turn leaves you getting around 5:1 odds on the river. With only about $5.15 left in your stack, I can't see you folding for that.Do you think that, with anything less than the nuts, this bet is just value-owning ourselves, for the very reason you listed above?Pot control on the turn and a willingness to let an overpair go against a board with completed draws and 2 willing villains seems to be the best play imo. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 yea I check the turn, re-eval. Probably the worst turn card you could've hit Link to post Share on other sites
Biff Goods 0 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 yea I check the turn, re-eval. Probably the worst turn card you could've hitJ of diamonds would have been way worse.... :icon_dance:edit: Just sayin..... Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Can we fold considering how big the pot is and how much of our stack is already in the middle? I'm not sure we can beat both villians but I don't think I could lay this downhow much of your stack is in the middle is irrelevant. Once it's in the pot, it's just the pot. Raise more pre. 3xbb+1bb per limper plus 1-2bb for being oop with QQ... $.70-.80 IMO Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 pretty timid preflop and flop play let this hand get away from you imo. Turn is such a bad card to fire a second barrel on multiway you are only catching AJ KJ j10 ( im assuming another Q isn't out there but i could be) and it is multiway, someone has a good hand by this point Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Preflop with 2 limpers and OOP i raise this to 80-90. If you have QQ it really sucks being OOP against more than 1 player. If you check the turn it gives shorty the opportunity to shove. Then if button folds you can call. If button shoves fold. If he calls i'd prob fold, not sure though. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Bet pf bigger, bet flop bigger I know it's 75% of pot but on a board this coordinated (flush draw/straight draw/high card that you have beat) you want to go for very close to pot, I'd bet $1.50 here. Turn check and see what happens, if someone jams it'd be a fold, smallish bet you call and check river and see what happens again. Link to post Share on other sites
Massimo8 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I agree, river is a check and I'm willing to bet that button checks behind you. I cant judge this as well as you obviously but my gut says that button is on a big diamond draw and UTG is holding A-J and got a piece of the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Luke00016 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 I ended up checking the river and the button pushed. I folded after nearly timing out.UTG showed 55 for a flopped set .Button showed KdJd for top pair and a made flush on the turn .What I wondered after the hand is whether or not the fold is +EV on the river and if I could have gotten away lighter on the turn, knowing that both villains called my flop bet and a bunch of draws came down on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 yes you definitely could've gotten away on the turn...actually a great card for you, results-wise, since you were facing a set. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Button is like terra-bad for not raising the flop there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 yes you definitely could've gotten away on the turn...actually a great card for you, results-wise, since you were facing a set.Not at all, this hand was played greatJ of diamonds would have been way worse.... :icon_dance:edit: Just sayin.....Jd is a supereasy c/f so it is not the worst card in the deck in terms of decisions, just in terms of results Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 With two players in the pot betting THIS turn seems bad. Diamonds got there as did some straight draws. I like a check/reeval. I'm not saying just c/f, but if the action's intense then we definitely should lay it down. Overpairs in multiway pots aren't the nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
Biff Goods 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Jd is a supereasy c/f so it is not the worst card in the deck in terms of decisions, just in terms of resultsTouche my friend....touche Link to post Share on other sites
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