Bohica 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Currently (2:43 P.M. Central) o_drunkenboxer is playing 8 1/2 NL tables, mariorjr is at 1 and the other 2 are not playing. Side note, mariorjr isn't at any of the table drunken is. Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Just sat a table with mariojr. The owner is playing, and everyone is ripping him. He says hes not worried. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I would think that FTP would have to respond to this. Is it at all possible there is another explanation? For the life of me I can't think of one but if FTP did investigate the guy and he's still playing it would be weird. Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Are any FCP'ers on the lists for these games or currently sitting? Link to post Share on other sites
shinychicken 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Just sat a table with mariojr. The owner is playing, and everyone is ripping him. He says hes not worried.I thought you sold furniture... Link to post Share on other sites
BSmitty23 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I thought you sold furniture...Sorry...dont follow Link to post Share on other sites
rgold79 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Are any FCP'ers on the lists for these games or currently sitting?Copied from 2+2. lol at Hoos posting to chat.mariojr: you guysd are way off on this by the wayDealer: mariojr has 15 seconds left to actBGnight (Observer): uh huhDealer: mariojr wins the pot ($7.60)Dealer: Hand #2387425345RakeSmartcom (Observer): well its all over every forum everywhere, so we'll seemariojr: im not afraidRakeSmartcom (Observer): lol, u about to get zeejustined i betDealer: j000hnnyd shows Ace Ten highDealer: grayfox54 shows Queen Jack highDealer: j000hnnyd wins the pot ($43.70) with Ace Ten highChicken Curry (Observer): Indiana, Pennsylvania mario! Dealer: Hand #2387431064BGnight (Observer): well if it's true i hope your accounts get frozenRakeSmartcom (Observer): me tooRakeSmartcom (Observer): back to bein wedding dj i guess huh?Dealer: j000hnnyd wins the pot ($73)Dealer: Hand #2387437450RakeSmartcom (Observer): how long have u been runnin bot programs?Dealer: j000hnnyd wins the pot ($7.60)Dealer: Hand #2387443429mariojr: im not a botBGnight (Observer): not nowDragon722 (Observer): your cover is blown marioKoke00 (Observer): yes u areRakeSmartcom (Observer): why is everyone sayin u are?Koke00 (Observer): u are a botDragon722 (Observer): check on the 2 + 2 forumDealer: RadioactiveSAM shows two pair, Queens and NinesDealer: RadioactiveSAM wins the pot ($24.70) with two pair, Queens and NinesDealer: Hand #2387451883mariojr: some guy is on a witch huntRakeSmartcom (Observer): do u know 0_drunkenboxer?Chicken Curry (Observer): nope Chicken Curry (Observer): mario = bot Chicken Curry (Observer): mario = robot HoosierAlum (Observer): hey marioBeDaMi (Observer): hey mariomariojr: yes we're friendsRakeSmartcom (Observer): roommates, brothers, what?HoosierAlum (Observer): gg actHoosierAlum (Observer): frozen obvBGnight (Observer): "friends" lmaoDealer: BSmitty23 wins the pot ($27.55)Dealer: Hand #2387459763mariojr: thats why we dont play each otherBeDaMi (Observer): lolBGnight (Observer): ok charlesmariojr: tablesRakeSmartcom (Observer): and u have exact same stats?Naismith (Observer): LOL at the railing. BeDaMi (Observer): yeah amazingHoosierAlum (Observer): lolMRRowe (Observer): dude they're identical twinsBeDaMi (Observer): obvRakeSmartcom (Observer): lolMRRowe (Observer): they think as oneMRRowe (Observer): LIKE THE BORG!HoosierAlum (Observer): obv he taught him to play EXACTLY the same every single handmariojr: he taught meRakeSmartcom (Observer): i hope fulltilt does something about thisRakeSmartcom (Observer): so what is his name?Dealer: BSmitty23 shows three of a kind, NinesDealer: BSmitty23 wins the pot ($33.25) with three of a kind, NinesRakeSmartcom (Observer): is he charles or are you?Dealer: Hand #2387466353mariojr: they already inverstigated me and found me not guiltyHoosierAlum (Observer): pretty sure your acct is gonna be locked soonHibachiMahi (Observer): Mario: HU 4 ROLLZ?HibachiMahi (Observer): HU HU HUBeDaMi (Observer): cheating bot bstardHoosierAlum (Observer): 10k plaque yo?Dealer: grayfox54 shows [Qs Qc] (a flush, King high)Dealer: grayfox54 wins the pot ($15.20)Dealer: Hand #2387472753HibachiMahi (Observer): MARIOOOOO HUUUU Link to post Share on other sites
HoosierAlum 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 Copied from 2+2. lol at Hoos posting to chat.drinking during the day is bad... Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 drinking during the day is bad...I love all the interweb cliche lines you're using. 10k plaque yo! Lolll. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 drinking during the day is bad...hey it's wednesday... Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I see on 2+2 they are complaining about people posting links to their forum. Why is that bad? Is it because they think they posess a secret stash of knowledge, that if unleashed on the general public, will make poker unbeatable? Or is there some legitimate reason? Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I see on 2+2 they are complaining about people posting links to their forum. Why is that bad? Is it because they think they posess a secret stash of knowledge, that if unleashed on the general public, will make poker unbeatable? Or is there some legitimate reason?no, you pretty much nailed it on your first guess Link to post Share on other sites
Chicago99 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well, I am sure I am going to get some negative responses for this, but how many of you who are so outraged by the (possible?) bots use software to help your game?I mean, I agree that using a bot with no human seems worse. But, as someone who doesn't use any software, the fact that most of you datamine and use the information to make decisions also seems to be cheating. I'm not sure why one is ok and the other isn't other than that it has just come to be acceptable generally.Before you post about how it is so different and not cheating, consider if when you first found out about online poker (for those of you that joined a few years ago), you would have thought that it was a good idea for most people to have software that provides information and calculations that 99.99% of the population couldn't remember on their own. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I see on 2+2 they are complaining about people posting links to their forum. Why is that bad? Is it because they think they posess a secret stash of knowledge, that if unleashed on the general public, will make poker unbeatable? Or is there some legitimate reason?It's more like they are all about 15 years old and total doucheclowns.or not. Meh?... Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 hey it's wednesday...Hooray for hump day! Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well, I am sure I am going to get some negative responses for this, but how many of you who are so outraged by the (possible?) bots use software to help your game?I mean, I agree that using a bot with no human seems worse. But, as someone who doesn't use any software, the fact that most of you datamine and use the information to make decisions also seems to be cheating. I'm not sure why one is ok and the other isn't other than that it has just come to be acceptable generally.Before you post about how it is so different and not cheating, consider if when you first found out about online poker (for those of you that joined a few years ago), you would have thought that it was a good idea for most people to have software that provides information and calculations that 99.99% of the population couldn't remember on their own.This isn't using a program to help you play, this is using a program to play for you. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Some guy just noticed several players playing very similarly (timing, table selection, etc) with very similar stats, and did some research.It appears the guy's identity is now known (Username associated with suspected bot), so now it is up to this guy to defend himself, I think.It looks to me like it's some kind of semi-bot that plays routine hands for him but let's him know if he is losing to a particular guy or if the bot is struggling. That way he can be at the tables and chat without having to play a lot of hands.this doesn't answer how he observed that the 'bots' never played at the same table.Basically 2p2 has a bunch of 1/2NL FR Dataminers. Multiple people have said that they have over 30k hands on all accounts and they have never played at the same table, almost impossible to do playing that much at the same stakes.Also, the OP who broke the story said he watched for these accounts for a few days, and they would all sit at one table at the exact same time, play for many hours at a time (no breaks) and get up at the exact same time.this is basically the same characteristics as someone who is playing multiple accounts. maybe he was just dumb and did it for multiple boni? either way, the accounts are clearly related, but one guy multi-accounting and FTP allowing bots are very different issues. Link to post Share on other sites
rgold79 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well, I am sure I am going to get some negative responses for this, but how many of you who are so outraged by the (possible?) bots use software to help your game?I mean, I agree that using a bot with no human seems worse. But, as someone who doesn't use any software, the fact that most of you datamine and use the information to make decisions also seems to be cheating. I'm not sure why one is ok and the other isn't other than that it has just come to be acceptable generally.Before you post about how it is so different and not cheating, consider if when you first found out about online poker (for those of you that joined a few years ago), you would have thought that it was a good idea for most people to have software that provides information and calculations that 99.99% of the population couldn't remember on their own.Well, first of all datamining is not legal on every site and shouldn't be, IMO. But PT and HUD programs, etc., have all been reviewed by the sites and approved under their terms and conditions. So anyone can use them and anyone who chooses to is well within his rights to do so. Bots, on the other hand are against the rules. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well, I am sure I am going to get some negative responses for this, but how many of you who are so outraged by the (possible?) bots use software to help your game?I mean, I agree that using a bot with no human seems worse. But, as someone who doesn't use any software, the fact that most of you datamine and use the information to make decisions also seems to be cheating. I'm not sure why one is ok and the other isn't other than that it has just come to be acceptable generally.Before you post about how it is so different and not cheating, consider if when you first found out about online poker (for those of you that joined a few years ago), you would have thought that it was a good idea for most people to have software that provides information and calculations that 99.99% of the population couldn't remember on their own.One of the sites used to have a full discussion of this. I think it was Party. Their conclusion was that there is a lot of gray area, but if it feels like cheating, it is cheating. They basically said "we'll limit automated programs to what our users think is fair." The *overwhelming* consensus in this case is that this one is cheating. What if you had a very specific set of starting hands based on position and previous action. You knew exactly what you were going to do PF every time. So instead of mindlessly clicking, which you could do easily, you wrote a program that did the PF clicking then turned it over to you? Is that cheating? My answer is, if you only use it as a replacement for your normal playing so you can use that saved time to search porn, then no, it's not really cheating. If you use it to play more tables for more hours than are humanly possible, then yes, it is cheating. Same program, different use, different intent.I don't see how this case, with 4 players playing multiple bots (or more likely, one player playing as 4 players) can be considered anything other than cheating. Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 boni?don't mind if I do!Callback! Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 This isn't using a program to help you play, this is using a program to play for you.Let me be the first to say this.....so what? Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well, I am sure I am going to get some negative responses for this, but how many of you who are so outraged by the (possible?) bots use software to help your game?I mean, I agree that using a bot with no human seems worse. But, as someone who doesn't use any software, the fact that most of you datamine and use the information to make decisions also seems to be cheating. I'm not sure why one is ok and the other isn't other than that it has just come to be acceptable generally.Before you post about how it is so different and not cheating, consider if when you first found out about online poker (for those of you that joined a few years ago), you would have thought that it was a good idea for most people to have software that provides information and calculations that 99.99% of the population couldn't remember on their own.Bots are 'cheating' in the sense that they can play for hours/days continuosly, with no breaks, on many tables. Also, they never go on tilt, or suffer from tiredness which can affect decision making.But a bot is only as good as the person who programs it and, realistically, may not even be as good as them e.g - cannot pick up specific reads (as far as I know).I'm not convinced that a bot will ever be able to consistently beat a good player at NL Holdem. It's not chess, where you can apply technically perfect strategy to counter any specific move. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I don't think there's necessarily anything inherently wrong with poker bots. It's cheating only because the site has declared itself offlimit to bots. People who want to avoid playing bots demand that sites be free of bots and have an expectation that the sites will endeavor to keep themselves free of bots.I'd personally see nothing wrong with a site announcing itself as bot friendly and explicitly allowing bots. Either against other bots or against humans. I imagine that someday you'll see a "bots only" site getting upset because some human has managed to sneak onto the network. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I imagine that someday you'll see a "bots only" site getting upset because some human has managed to sneak onto the network.That just exploded my brain. Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Bot Racist !! Link to post Share on other sites
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