Believe Me...i Turned This Into An Interesting Hand.

[monix 0]

14 person, $100 buy-in live MTT.Starting 7 handed at 2 tables, we are 15 minutes or so into the first level, blinds are 25/25. Starting stacks are 5000, I have ~5200 and unknown villain has ~4800.UTG foldsUTG Hero is dealt KK, raises to 2004 foldsBB callsFlop (T425)Jd 9d 5cBB checks, Hero bets 300, Villain check-raises to 600.Hero?

[tskillz187 0]

Raises to 2k. Calls all in with no reads

[leducks2004 0]

blinds are 25/25? thats a big raise preflop unless its 25/50. I might reraise or even push but thats just me. B) Just flat call and see what the turn brings. Hard to say with no reads on the villain yet.

[XXEddie 0]

Why raise 8xBB, could be standard...dont knowbut I call and re-evaluate turn

[Zach6668 513]

Why raise 8xBB, could be standard...dont knowbut I call and re-evaluate turn

It probably is. Live tournaments are gay in the beginning. The standard raise is retarded. People want to get it all in.

[monix 0]

It probably is. Live tournaments are gay in the beginning. The standard raise is retarded. People want to get it all in.

I had not played in this tournament before, but in the first 15 minutes opening raises of 3 - 5 x BB was getting 5 callers (out of 7 at the table). Starting M was 100, so everyone wanted to see flops....except for me, of course :-).The opening raise in this hand had the intended affect of narrowing the field.

[Zach6668 513]

I had not played in this tournament before, but in the first 15 minutes opening raises of 3 - 5 x BB was getting 5 callers (out of 7 at the table). Starting M was 100, so everyone wanted to see flops....except for me, of course :-).The opening raise in this hand had the intended affect of narrowing the field.

Ah, ok.The tournies I play, the only level with a decent M is the first level, 25/50, but they still raise to 300 so they don't have a problem getting it all in as quickly as possible. That's what they saw on TV.

[trystero 0]

Why raise 8xBB, could be standard...dont knowbut I call and re-evaluate turn

yup. Reraising is standard I guess but I have to think that it gets folds from hands we're beating and puts us in an awful spot if he pushes. I think we can proceed cautiously and still extract value from AJ/KJ/QJ. I wouldn't be adverse to pushing a relatively safe turn if he leads for like 1k.

[Briguy 0]

I call and go strong on a non-A,Q,J,T turn. Check-minraise = TP?K quite often. His flop minraise smells like a question. "I caught a piece of this board, will you please fold your AK?" I think he folds to a flop reraise, and I want more chips.I suspect J9 or a set would check-raise stronger, and unless he's tricky (live makes that less likely) an FD or OESD would just lead/ or check/call and a FD+SD (OESD or ISD) probably check-raises all-in.

[Fade2241 0]

Raises to 2k. Calls all in with no reads

QFTThis is AJ often enough with no reads early that I’m willing to go busto here.

[gobears 0]

With an M of 100, I would call the flop and check the turn. We have an overpair to a scary board with players that are willing to play a wide range of hands.I understand why you went with the big preflop raise but I still would have kept the preflop raise smaller which would have kept the pot smaller. You're OOP to most of the players and they probably have a better read on what you hold with that big bet.A reraise on the flop to 2K commits 40% of your chips to the pot and there are a lot of cards that you don't want to see on the turn. This early, why do you need to go broke with an overpair?

[tskillz187 0]

With an M of 100, I would call the flop and check the turn. We have an overpair to a scary board with players that are willing to play a wide range of hands.I understand why you went with the big preflop raise but I still would have kept the preflop raise smaller which would have kept the pot smaller. You're OOP to most of the players and they probably have a better read on what you hold with that big bet.A reraise on the flop to 2K commits 40% of your chips to the pot and there are a lot of cards that you don't want to see on the turn. This early, why do you need to go broke with an overpair?

Value city. from my experience of $100 live MTTs you are going to get paid by aj, kj, qj, 10j almost everytime. I also want to be able to shove when that turn is not a dia and by reraising to 2k your bet is reasonable on the turn.There are a lot of cards I don't want to see on the turn, so why don't I mkae it expensive to draw to the turn as opposed to cheap? Letting a scare card turn and putting myself to a tough decision is a spot I really don't want to be in.

[respec 0]

I would call and look to see the river cheaply. If he bets it hard enough on the turn and river I may even lay it down, but his bets would have to be very large.Stacks are extremely deep here. People looking to get all-in on this flop are nuts IMO. I'm not a fan of putting in 200BBs on an overpair but I'm a huge fan of people who do.

[monix 0]

With an M of 100, I would call the flop and check the turn. We have an overpair to a scary board with players that are willing to play a wide range of hands.I understand why you went with the big preflop raise but I still would have kept the preflop raise smaller which would have kept the pot smaller. You're OOP to most of the players and they probably have a better read on what you hold with that big bet.A reraise on the flop to 2K commits 40% of your chips to the pot and there are a lot of cards that you don't want to see on the turn. This early, why do you need to go broke with an overpair?

Agreed.14 person, $100 buy-in live MTT.Starting 7 handed at 2 tables, we are 15 minutes or so into the first level, blinds are 25/25. Starting stacks are 5000, I have ~5200 and unknown villain has ~4800.Pre-flop UTG foldsUTG+1 Hero is dealt KK, raises to 2004 foldsBB callsFlop (T425)Jd 9d 5cBB checks, Hero bets 300, Villain check-raises to 600.Hero calls 300Turn (T1625)Jd 9d 5c 3dVillain bets 1200Hero? I have Kd...

[respec 0]

Eh, this is getting sticky real fast. I'd wish that he'd bet less than 1200 but I'd probably call it here anyway, especially with the Kd. On the river I'm folding to a big bet/shove unless I improve. If he's firing 3 barrels on that board with nothing then he got me.

[Briguy 0]

My read stays the same. That looks like a safe turn card to me. Safe enough to push? Probably not. Safe enough to bluff-catch, though.

[gobears 0]

Eh, this is getting sticky real fast. I'd wish that he'd bet less than 1200 but I'd probably call it here anyway, especially with the Kd. On the river I'm folding to a big bet/shove unless I improve. If he's firing 3 barrels on that board with nothing then he got me.

Yeah, I'm taking this line and hoping for a free showdown on the river if I don't improve

[goheels 0]

I absolutely HATE hands like this. You get check-minraised with an overpair, can we really fold here, I don't think so. So we call and our hand marginally improves on the turn and we feel even more tied to it b/c we now have a draw and a fairly significant amount of our stack in the pot. It happens to me so often and I always feel like I'm spewing.Let's look at the situation here. You get check min-raised on a J95 flop with 2 to a suit. What is he doing this with? AJ, maybe QT (highly doubt it unless he's an idiot), 2 diamonds or a set (i'm thinking 99). Does anyone add more hands here?The turn brings a 3rd diamond and he fires 1200 into a 1600 pot. I'm pretty sure he likes his hand here and I really don't like ours AT ALL.I'm sticking to my 999 read and folding right here b/c were not getting odds to draw and we're definetly not getting paid if we hit another diamond.

[respec 0]

I'm sticking to my 999 read and folding right here b/c were not getting odds to draw and we're definetly not getting paid if we hit another diamond.

So you fold because you put him on a set but you don't thin he'll call anything(or even lead with a bet) on the end in a pot that size with a set? Most players aren't good enough to fold a set HU on the end in a big pot, even on the worst of boards.

[goheels 0]

So you fold because you put him on a set but you don't thin he'll call anything(or even lead with a bet) on the end in a pot that size with a set? Most players aren't good enough to fold a set HU on the end in a big pot, even on the worst of boards.

I saw one of the worst players Ive ever played with lay down a set of Aces on a 4 flush board last Saturday. Even horrible players understand that "you only need one diamond to beat me". You have zero implied odds to call this bet unless you can peel a K off.

[respec 0]

I saw one of the worst players Ive ever played with lay down a set of Aces on a 4 flush board last Saturday.

Without stack sizes, pot size, bet size, previous action, position, and # of players in the hand this means nothing. Its all about context and even good players don't just check/fold sets on the end when the pot is big and has been HU the entire time because the board is scary. In fact, if you'd check fold a monster on the river to a small bet everytime the board 4 flushed that's a VERY exploitable habit. An opponnent who knew that about you would have "extra" out in the form of bluffs anytime he was in a pot with you and the flop wasn't rainbow.

[monix 0]

14 person, $100 buy-in live MTT.Starting 7 handed at 2 tables, we are 15 minutes or so into the first level, blinds are 25/25. Starting stacks are 5000, I have ~5200 and unknown villain has ~4800.Pre-flop UTG foldsUTG+1 Hero is dealt KK, raises to 2004 foldsBB callsFlop (T425)Jd 9d 5cBB checks, Hero bets 300, Villain check-raises to 600.Hero calls 300Turn (T1625)Jd 9d 5c 3dVillain bets 1200Hero calls with KdRiver (T4025)Jd 9d 5c 3d 4sVillain goes all-in for ~2800Hero??

[respec 0]

Hero hangs on to his remaining $3K and gives this guy credit for outflopping him. With those small blinds you still have plenty of chips to play with and I think that after the last bet he much more likely to have flopped a set or top 2 than to be trying to push something like QT through for a 3rd time. His play looks a lot more like a trap than a multi-street semi-bluff that winds up with him being all-in.

[offset 0]

I think not pushing the turn is pretty bad. Granted, I don't play live, but I hardly ever see people check/min raise with just flush draw. He could have TQd, A5d, or T8d, but I think most likely he has top pair or TdT. We push and hope QdJ, TdJ, AdJ calls.

[DoinSublime 0]

Going back to the flop, I would have reraised the check raise. Get a feel right there where I stand. Reraise to 1200, and then if he pushes, you can decide right there if you want to lay it down. Unless you think he's in love with TPTK, but it doesn't seem from what you've said that there has been enough action to get a read on him. Overall, if he pushes on the flop, and you decide to get away from it, you just saved yourself some chips. That being said, I think I agree with respec, you have to give him credit here and fold.