What John Kerry Really Feels About The Military.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Kerry didn't sugarcoat it, so what? What is it that we're always saying about wanting politicians to be honest and straightforward?

because what he said was wrong.

[keith crime 8]

because what he said was wrong.

Well, being wrong seems to be the best way to be elected president these daysGlad you're more concerned about Kerry insulting the 12 educated soldiers in the country than the half million or so people we've offed in the last few yearsOf course you could be lucky like Pat Tillman and be both educated and deadOf course George Bush was educated enough to tell his Harvard Business school prof about how his connections got him out of Viet Nam - that's a guy with schooling

[Royal_Tour 0]

most canadian kids that are in the military are there because they couldn't otherwise afford college, not because they weren't good enough.as much as the canadian military is a joke, the troops are actually very highly trained and educated.

no no, thats a small percent.Out of all the kids i knew who joined the military, 3 of them were morons, Not stupid, not failing grades, but just cant be in social situations, cant get looked at funny without starting a fight, etc etc.another guy I knew who joined the military was in college with me. He joined before college because of his father, then he thought about goin back half way through college because his marks werent the best.cant say i know a lot of honour roll students shooting rifles

[Ouch-8s 4]

Sounds more like a shot at Bush's actions in Iraq, not the type of people who enlist in the military.

Agreed, that's how I read it too. Is there a transcript of the speech available so I can see it in context?

[....Ian.... 0]

that sucks for all our troops who are forced to be over there?....oh wait......no one is forced to be over there. they all signed up for it.

[timwakefield 68]

From Jarhead:Drill Instructor - "Son, how the fuck did you end up in my beloved Corps anyway?"Swoff - "Sir, I got lost on the way to college, Sir!"

Drill Instructor - [slams swoff's head into the chalkboard]

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

Agreed, that's how I read it too. Is there a transcript of the speech available so I can see it in context?

whooaa, don't start throwing context into the equation

[mrdannyg 274]

no no, thats a small percent.Out of all the kids i knew who joined the military, 3 of them were morons, Not stupid, not failing grades, but just cant be in social situations, cant get looked at funny without starting a fight, etc etc.another guy I knew who joined the military was in college with me. He joined before college because of his father, then he thought about goin back half way through college because his marks werent the best.cant say i know a lot of honour roll students shooting rifles

meh, i guess just different experiences. i know a lot of military people since i've been living in halifax, and very few of them joined for negative reasons. most of them were socially awkward, but not violent.the majority seem to be good students, though not geniuses, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to go to college, or get a start on a decent career.

[7upncider 0]

you all have to understand what the army does to completely appreciate what is going on in this country. when i was in the army i was a recruiter. our main demographic was underprivileged and/or poorer kids without to much of a future. we would offer them money and a way out of where they were. for the most part people who have the chance to go to college after highschool have a choice so we pretty much just give them a pamphlet and tell them we can pay for some of there college. mainly though we targeted underprivilged kids cause its alot easier cause of there background. the kids that join that have rich families or have scholarships or what not, usually do cause that was the way they were raised or they wanted to get back at their parents. this is all true trust me ive heard it all. so if you want to say that the us government doesnt target poor or underprivileged kids then you are wrong they are the easiest ones to get to join.

[ajs510 122]

you all have to understand what the army does to completely appreciate what is going on in this country. when i was in the army i was a recruiter. our main demographic was underprivileged and/or poorer kids without to much of a future. we would offer them money and a way out of where they were. for the most part people who have the chance to go to college after highschool have a choice so we pretty much just give them a pamphlet and tell them we can pay for some of there college. mainly though we targeted underprivilged kids cause its alot easier cause of there background. the kids that join that have rich families or have scholarships or what not, usually do cause that was the way they were raised or they wanted to get back at their parents. this is all true trust me ive heard it all. so if you want to say that the us government doesnt target poor or underprivileged kids then you are wrong they are the easiest ones to get to join.

Hoo-rah.

[Ouch-8s 4]

whooaa, don't start throwing context into the equation

The Cardinal Sin!

[DonkSlayer 1]

Guess this is the best way to get your mind off the real problems, like the war and the fact that the American Dream is basically a mythahhhh

How is the American Dream a myth? Doesn't "Dream" kinda insinuate we're not all going to become Rockafeller's? Did you just rip one at the end of that comment?

Of course you could be lucky like Pat Tillman and be both educated and dead

I wonder if his brother would punch you for calling him lucky.

Of course George Bush was educated enough to tell his Harvard Business school prof about how his connections got him out of Viet Nam - that's a guy with schooling

Dude, are you serious? Are you really serious? Did you miss anything bad about Clinton during his administration (i.e., "Dodger-in-chief")? Haven't you noticed that a whole lotta boomers who run things now dodged Nam?

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

How is the American Dream a myth? Doesn't "Dream" kinda insinuate we're not all going to become Rockafeller's? Did you just rip one at the end of that comment?

sorry, you are correct. I overstated a tad.But at the rate this country is going, the average person that works a steady/solid job is getting completely priced out of the market. Prices are going up on everything at an alarming rate and wages are not, unless you are a CEO of a major corp of course. What I was getting at, the average guy that make $45k a year has a supremely difficult time (at least where I live) trying to buy a home in a decent neighborhood.I'm not blaming the administration for that, I'm just saying, the average man is getting priced out of this country. I can't speak for other countries.

[Ouch-8s 4]

Dude, are you serious? Are you really serious? Did you miss anything bad about Clinton during his administration (i.e., "Dodger-in-chief")? Haven't you noticed that a whole lotta boomers who run things now dodged Nam?

Have you noticed that "a whole lotta boomers who run things now who dodged Nam" are all well educated (or at least have pieces of paper that say they were)? And I am not talking only about the current administration. I may be wrong but I think that was KeithCrime's point.

[custom36 4]

John Kerry proved in 04 that he's really good at screwing up. This doesn't surprise me.

[Suited_Up 2]

George W Bush proved in '00-'06 that he's really good at screwing up. This doesn't surprise me.

FYP

[custom36 4]

FYP

That too, but a squirrel could've beaten bush in 04. Instead, we got the chimp.

[Suited_Up 2]

That too, but a squirrel could've beaten bush in 04. Instead, we got the chimp.

Chimps are smart... I would take a chimp.

[keith crime 8]

Dude, are you serious? Are you really serious? Did you miss anything bad about Clinton during his administration (i.e., "Dodger-in-chief")? Haven't you noticed that a whole lotta boomers who run things now dodged Nam?

Clinton didn't try to annex a country - excuse me for thinking that perhaps a guy who starts a war is hypocritical for avoiding a similar war - plus I think Clinton had moral issues with Nam - Bush had issues with missing out on keggers

[SAM_Hard8 50]

FLASH: McCain Calls On Kerry To ApologizeTue Oct 31 2006 11:43:14 ETSenator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks. END

[Suited_Up 2]

we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights

AHEM!What? Has he been paying attention?

[keith crime 8]

FLASH: McCain Calls On Kerry To ApologizeTue Oct 31 2006 11:43:14 ETSenator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks. END

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2006/10/31/shame/which is more offensive

A recent study conducted by Johns Hopkins researchers and published in the Lancet, the respected British medical journal, estimates that the war has so far caused between 400,000 and 940,000 Iraqi deaths. Even if the actual number of deaths is only half of the low Lancet estimate, it would mean that we are responsible for an appalling bloodbath. Yet as Editor & Publisher's Greg Mitchell noted in a recent column, the U.S. media has displayed little interest in trying to confirm these figures, and appears rather uninterested in them. "The sad truth is: People who don't want to face this sort of death toll won't ever want to face it," Mitchell wrote.In fact, none of us want to face it. Or face the indisputable fact that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are fleeing their homes, vast numbers of them leaving the country altogether -- creating the greatest refugee crisis in the world. We cry over tsunami victims, but we callously ignore the Iraqi victims of a war we started. Instead, we argue, we point fingers, we carry on with politics as usual.But politics as usual is a mask for moral indifference.I was reading the Iraqi blogger Riverbend last week. If you don't read her, you should. As Anthony Shadid did in "Night Draws Near," she puts a human face on this war. It hurts to read her. Riverbend had not posted for months, and explaining her long absence, she wrote, "It's very difficult at this point to connect to the internet and try to read the articles written by so-called specialists and analysts and politicians. They write about and discuss Iraq as I might write about the Ivory Coast or Cambodia -- with a detachment and lack of sentiment that -- I suppose -- is meant to be impartial. Hearing American politicians is even worse. They fall between idiots like Bush, constantly and totally in denial, and opportunists who want to use the war and ensuing chaos to promote themselves."Riverbend's words were a painful reminder that while we Americans argue about Iraq, she and 25 million other Iraqis have to live there. And her comments on the Lancet study are worth more than a hundred braying debunkers: "We literally do not know a single Iraqi family that has not seen the violent death of a first or second-degree relative these last three years."Think about every single family you know. Then subtract a brother here, a sister there, a father here, a cousin there, a grandfather here. This is the reality that we have created in Iraq.

[brvheart 1,752]

Well, being wrong seems to be the best way to be elected president these daysGlad you're more concerned about Kerry insulting the 12 educated soldiers in the country than the half million or so people we've offed in the last few yearsOf course you could be lucky like Pat Tillman and be both educated and deadOf course George Bush was educated enough to tell his Harvard Business school prof about how his connections got him out of Viet Nam - that's a guy with schooling

lol... good one.

[brvheart 1,752]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/204-10312006.htmlhttp://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/153-10312006.htmlSenator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks.-Sen. John McCain.

[Suited_Up 2]

AHEM!What? Has he been paying attention?

Maybe you didn't see this?