princeof56k 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 JORDAN..AINEC!It's alright to think its Jordan. I disagree, but I understand the argument. Like I said, this question cant be answered. However, it is most certainly close! Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 is it too late to vote for meadowlark lemon? Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Earl "the GOAT" Manigault Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Michael Jordan.Few players have dominated a sport like he did. He almost transcended it. Link to post Share on other sites
Flack_attack 0 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 MJ.Game, set, match. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 JORDAN..AINEC!its close. when you had a season where you averaged 50pts and 20rebounds you are close. anyone who was under the age of 25 when Jordan was in his prime is biased by what a megawatt star he became and his dominant commercial presence....when he won most of his championships the league was in decline (and then it collapsed upon his retirement.)the league is much much stronger now than it was during jordan's last 3 championships. that being said....Jordan is of course not a bad answer to this question. You can make a great argument that he is the best ever. But you can make a great argument for Wilt, Russell and even Oscar Robertson as well. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 the league is much much stronger now than it was during jordan's last 3 championships.seriously? Are you watching the same league I am - The Bulls record setting team still runs roughshod over this years NBAIt's getting better but fundamentals suck and teams are watered downin the mid 80's the great teams had 5 great playersby the 90's you needed three stars to win the titleNow you need two This is hardly progress - it would be a great league if they folded 7 teams Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 seriously? Are you watching the same league I am - The Bulls record setting team still runs roughshod over this years NBAIt's getting better but fundamentals suck and teams are watered downin the mid 80's the great teams had 5 great playersby the 90's you needed three stars to win the titleNow you need two This is hardly progress - it would be a great league if they folded 7 teamsearly in MJ's career the league was at its peak....when he won his first 3 championships it was still great....by the time he won his 2nd three it was VERY VERY watered down....the NBA is just finally getting back to the 80s and early 90s greatness....there are a lot of stars today....the Mavs had 5 really good players...the Heat had 2 stars and 4-5 pretty solid guys....you had to read my whole post.... Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 early in MJ's career the league was at its peak....when he won his first 3 championships it was still great....by the time he won his 2nd three it was VERY VERY watered down....the NBA is just finally getting back to the 80s and early 90s greatness....there are a lot of stars today....the Mavs had 5 really good players...the Heat had 2 stars and 4-5 pretty solid guys....you had to read my whole post.... I did - i still think the league is very weak - any of the last three bulls championship teams would have mopped the floor with Miami Link to post Share on other sites
Secretariat 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 When you talk about the greatest basketball player why do you just talk about the NBA. The NBA is a joke. It's play most resembles WWE wrestling. Regular season games are not about basketball, but about individual stars. Play lacks energy, interest, and skill. The STAR system is status quo and the marketing of Michael Jordan is a major fault of the current state pf the NBA. These overpaid, unskilled players are an illustration of what is wrong with our society. Where are our priorities??So, let's go back to real basketball and shouldn't we include college careers. Kareem dominated college basketball and the NBA in pre-Jordan years. And none of you included him on your lists.If you are a basketball fan, you will stop buying into today's NBA. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 When you talk about the greatest basketball player why do you just talk about the NBA. The NBA is a joke. It's play most resembles WWE wrestling. Regular season games are not about basketball, but about individual stars. Play lacks energy, interest, and skill. The STAR system is status quo and the marketing of Michael Jordan is a major fault of the current state pf the NBA. These overpaid, unskilled players are an illustration of what is wrong with our society. Where are our priorities??So, let's go back to real basketball and shouldn't we include college careers. Kareem dominated college basketball and the NBA in pre-Jordan years. And none of you included him on your lists.If you are a basketball fan, you will stop buying into today's NBA.well that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard - no matter how bad you think the NBA game is where else do the best players play? Who judges talent based on how they did against inferior competition? According to your standards Bo Kimble was one of the great basketball players of all timeMichael did sort of ruin the NBA because he was so good all they could do to stop him was slow down the game and beat him up Link to post Share on other sites
Secretariat 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 How do you compare Bo Kimble to Kareem?? What the hell are you talking about?There is no competition in today's NBA because day to day they don't compete. They coast and cash their checks. Take today's NBA players and we get embarassed in the Olympics!!!!Go back to Magic, Larry Bird, Dr. J., Kareem. Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 So, let's go back to real basketball and shouldn't we include college careers. Kareem dominated college basketball and the NBA in pre-Jordan years. And none of you included him on your lists.Wait a second now. I had Kareem on my list at 4th. Kareem was a dominate player in the NBA. He gets underrated because most people today only remember his final years when all he had was the sky hook and was a role player for Magic (I didnt have Magic in my top 5 but I would rate him 6th. Too close to call anyways).I agree with Keith about Jordans Era being tougher. The players in low post were much better. The center position is almost extinct today and there's a lack of real bangers at the power forward (most power forwards today would rather be on the perimeter taking people off the dribble). Thats important because Jordan absolutely got hammered whenever he went to the hole. He earned all those points. And the refs let a lot of those hard fouls go during that time. Today if a center looks at a guy wrong on the way to the basket the whistle blows.But I like todays NBA. I think the changes in the game have made it better (they just need to put a stop to calling fouls on the defender when the offensive player runs into them like a fullback). You will not find a greater collection of players today than what's in the NBA. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I did - i still think the league is very weak - any of the last three bulls championship teams would have mopped the floor with Miamimopped the floor? I doubt it. Beat them? probably. but I am talking about the entire NBA....you are basing your entire analysis of the league just off the champion bulls. (which is a bit silly).There were 6 legitimately good teams with at least 4 very good players on them. (Suns, spurs, mavs, heat, pistons and clips.) during jordan's 2nd 3 championship run there was the Jazz (who the Heat would have crushed) and......the pacers? sorta. the knicks? eh. the sonics were alright (a 3 player team if there ever was one). The NBA AS A WHOLE was much weaker from 96-2000 than it is now. No comparison to the 80s of course which was the NBA's golden age. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 mopped the floor? I doubt it. Beat them? probably. but I am talking about the entire NBA....you are basing your entire analysis of the league just off the champion bulls. (which is a bit silly).There were 6 legitimately good teams with at least 4 very good players on them. (Suns, spurs, mavs, heat, pistons and clips.) during jordan's 2nd 3 championship run there was the Jazz (who the Heat would have crushed) and......the pacers? sorta. the knicks? eh. the sonics were alright (a 3 player team if there ever was one). The NBA AS A WHOLE was much weaker from 96-2000 than it is now. No comparison to the 80s of course which was the NBA's golden age.I"m not that impressed with those suns and clip teams - the barkley suns were way better than both - I don't think the NBA was better then but I don't really think it was worse eitherI think the league has been weak ever since the last group of expansion teams entered - and the league became all about isolating one guy - they have changed the rules to make it better but the level of depth still sucksi'm a cleveland fan and they took detroit to seven games and wow besides lebron that team is really pathetic Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I"m not that impressed with those suns and clip teams - the barkley suns were way better than both - I don't think the NBA was better then but I don't really think it was worse eitherI think the league has been weak ever since the last group of expansion teams entered - and the league became all about isolating one guy - they have changed the rules to make it better but the level of depth still sucksi'm a cleveland fan and they took detroit to seven games and wow besides lebron that team is really patheticremember that Suns team was missing its best player. considering that it was pretty damn impressive team. I am just saying I think there are more great players in the league overall now than there was in the late 90s (when the NBA really started to nosedive).the rules changes are really helping....iso basketball will die out except for at the end of close games where you have to give the ball to your star (I heart Dwayne) Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 There is no competition in today's NBA because day to day they don't compete. They coast and cash their checks. Take today's NBA players and we get embarassed in the Olympics!!!!Go back to Magic, Larry Bird, Dr. J., Kareem.don't make stupid arguments. The world caught up to us. They aren't pushovers anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
loopie 0 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 mj, no contest Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 don't make stupid arguments. The world caught up to us. They aren't pushovers anymore.Yes the world has caught up to us, but there is no reason we shouldn't win every single basketball competition. Our problem is we take a bunch of individualistic players who want to do nothing more than drive to the lane anytime they have the ball. Don't get me wrong we do need those kind of players, but we have been seriously lacking in the teamplayer/shooter category. We took the first steps by putting Kirk Hinrich and Chris Paul on the team...however we could have benefitted by placing a Michael Redd or a Fred Hoiberg on the team on top of Hinrich and Paul. Link to post Share on other sites
gilbertology 0 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Gilbert Arenasjk, there's no question its Jordan.Russel and Wilt are both great. Oscar Robertson was a beast, so were Erving, Magic, and Bird but no one was at quite the level MJ was. Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 The league was at its best in the early 90's when Jordan played. If you don't believe me just watch NBA's greatest games on ESPN Classic and NBA TV, those games are far superior to the game now. I know probably nobody has these channels, I watched them when my family and I rented a cabin in Lake Tahoe with Dish TV. All I did there was either sit in Harvey's playing poker, or watch old NBA games in the cabin. Link to post Share on other sites
sdnuol 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Mateen Cleaves Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The league was at its best in the early 90's when Jordan played. If you don't believe me just watch NBA's greatest games on ESPN Classic and NBA TV, those games are far superior to the game now. I know probably nobody has these channels, I watched them when my family and I rented a cabin in Lake Tahoe with Dish TV. All I did there was either sit in Harvey's playing poker, or watch old NBA games in the cabin.false. The league was at its best in the 80's. By far. Without a doubt. No contest. Tons of stars, tons of great great teams. Jordan in his early years....doing the impossible but always falling short to the Pistons or Celtics.If the league is ever that good again wow. The Celtics, the Lakers and the Pistons were all all-time great teams at different points in that decade. Plus lots of other big name hall of famers (Dr. J, Barkley, Hakeem, Ewing, Bernard King and on and on and on.Plus I will go to my grave believing that Magic's Showtime Lakers and Bird's Celtics would have crushed any of MJ's championship teams. They were much too well balanced for the two star bulls to handle.and I do get NBATV and Espn classic. these 80's playoff games are on all the time...watch and enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Greatest of all-time without question is Michael Jordan. When you define great, you have to factor in the competition as well. Jordan was the best player of his era with other great players like Byrd and Magic and several other Hall of Fame players.If you were asking who was the most dominant player of all-time, without question it would be Wilt Chamberlain, nobody dominated like he did. Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Michael Jordan[/thread] Link to post Share on other sites
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