operating an illegal cash game ***opinions needed***

[SteveB23 0]

In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.

[turd ferguson 1]

Make sure the money is always locked up and kept out of site. Know everybody you invite so the police don't find out. Don't provide free food and booze. That gets too expensive. If you like, do it like a pot luck, and have everybody bring something. Don't let cash play on the table because if the cops bust in you are in trouble. Just tell them that you are playing for fun if they show up.

[pokerplayer24 0]

In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.

First off if this is a group of your friends or watever I find it pretty ridiculous that you'd try to make money off them by raking the games. If you're gonna do something like that dont rake the pot just say its 10$ to get in and that pays for drinks and food.

[The Czar 0]

Keep your records offsite.

[SteveB23 0]

In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.

First off if this is a group of your friends or watever I find it pretty ridiculous that you'd try to make money off them by raking the games. If you're gonna do something like that dont rake the pot just say its 10$ to get in and that pays for drinks and food.

It would be open to friends of our group, etc. People are tried of the usual home game style and just want to be able to go sit down with $100 and see what they could do.The problem is, the closest casino is only limit and everyone wants NL.

[Smasharoo 0]

Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourneyWhen exactly did that become the "typical" home game?Don't do it, seriously. It'll end badly. good luck.

[SteveB23 0]

Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourneyWhen exactly did that become the "typical" home game?Don't do it, seriously. It'll end badly. good luck.

All the home games I play in are usually buyin of $X and a touney style where the top 3 or whatever pay.I am skeptical about the whole idea personally but wanted some other opinions from people who have maybe been around these kind of games.

[robert f 0]

Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourneyWhen exactly did that become the "typical" home game?Don't do it, seriously. It'll end badly. good luck.

All the home games I play in are usually buyin of $X and a touney style where the top 3 or whatever pay.I am skeptical about the whole idea personally but wanted some other opinions from people who have maybe been around these kind of games.

I can drink a case of beer in 2 hours, sooo what would you do then??? What if I won??? Then what would happen????

[pokerplayer24 0]

If you're gonna do it keep it among friends. Limit it to 1 table and dont rake it at all. Otherwise its going to get out of hand.

[blueodum 0]

If these are friends and friends of friends, why are you charging rake? Is this supposed to be a business? If so, you better trust everyone you bring into the game like your brother.If it's not supposed to be a business, just have a collection once a month to cover the cost of supplies.

[No_Neck 0]

what are you going to do about security 30 people playing with 200 dollars people have like 10 grand in there, I hope you have some security. a raid would really suck (and I don't mean police)

[slappywhite 0]

security is the major concern...ive been face against the wall,praying please don't kill me twice in these type of games....whenever i play i just bring in cash and leave all other things in wallet locked in trunk of car from experience...also no credit...guys you see everyday for 10 years wil go mia on you over small change

[essay 0]

Do it.I play in one of these almost everynight. It works out great for players. My buddy runs the game he provides all sorts of food and drink and still clears over300 a night dealing 1-2 no limit with a 4 dollar capped rake at one table.But, don't forget the most important thing you're actually providing is a game. If you can't get players, the good (losing) kind, no serious player will come. As for security, I've never had a problem in over four years of playing all over town, and we've had over 13,000 on the table. we even had a cop walk in, see the game, and say "hey you guys gotta move your cars." but i live in alaska.

[mcpickl 0]

In my area there is a real need for a consistent cash game as not everyone is able to make it to a casino on a regular basis.The idea that is being tossed around by a few of the regulars is to have an illegal cash game that runs several times a week.Now we aren't talking about the typical "home game" where its usually a freezeout tourney but rather would have the people buying in for value from the house (the house being those of us who run it) and then every hand gets raked up to $3.Our typical group of people who play ranges from 7-15 guys and we figure if we could get 30 guys together 3 nights a week for 3 hours then we could do ok running it with a rake. Free booze and food would be there as well.My question is for those who have played or ran in these kind of games, is it profitable and is it worth the headache of setting up?If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.

fold

[KDawgCometh 2]

if you are going to go through with this, you will need to hire someone to be security. Also, as opposed to rake, make the players pay time for every half hour of play. Make it like $3, this is what the NYC cardrooms I used to go to did. Have someone be a designated chip runner for people

[nutzbuster 7]

My brother's a lawyer.Call me from prison and I'll hook ya's up.

[econ_tim 0]

if you are going to go through with this, you will need to hire someone to be security. Also, as opposed to rake, make the players pay time for every half hour of play. Make it like $3, this is what the NYC cardrooms I used to go to did. Have someone be a designated chip runner for people

a boston cardroom also charges time, but they call it a "refreshment fee." i think they do this to get around gambling laws, although i'm not sure if that's enough.

[SuitedHooks 0]

We have a club where i live that does this....i used to a be a dealer for them and also played there. I was making some nice money on tips, but anyways if you plan on doing this, im not sure if you understand the time it takes to make sure everything runs smoothly. First off security is a big issue, anyone at anytime can go off and start causing problems. I would just make sure you have a big friend there to keep things under control if need be, yes also keep the money hidden. The money will pour in if you have a good dealer and a game that consists of people that have deep pockets. Also make everyone that comes to your games be referred by someone in your group of players. You can supply pop and some food, but boos would not be a good idea. Also dont let no little kids play and then lose their money and go bitch to mommy and daddy, that will get you busted. It takes alot of work getting it going, granted you may have a group of friends that want to do this, but they will all not be available to play everynight. You need to make phone calls to get new players and keep a full table going as much as possible, most players do not like to play short-handed, atleast not no limit with a rake....just my advicegood luck

[jonnyz 0]

If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.

[theredpill99 0]

Can I come? I don't eat very much just have some white castles ready or maybe some McDonald's chicken nuggets. Thanks.

[theredpill99 0]

Yeah, I bet the security guards in Canada are a riot because no one has guns over there. hahahahaha

[SteveB23 0]

If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.

For a 1st offence?

[jonnyz 0]

If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.

For a 1st offence?

Its a max of 2 years not sure what you would get for a first offence. By the way Where do you live?

[stealfromblind 0]

i spend the majority of my time in live games in an underground game like your talking about. they run multiple tables ranging from 1/2-2/5 nl holdem and stud. they have free liquor/beer/soda and order dinner every night and still make a killing. just make sure you get personable dealers that people can enjoy and the games will run smoothely. i would just remember that you might want to change locations every couple months to avoid the chance of getting busted due to nosey neighbors. good luck.

[BigMike 0]

If anyone knows the fines or penalties for operating such a game in Canada, that would help as well.It's an indictable offense max 2 years in jail, if you are not running the game and just happen to be there, its summary which I believe is 6months.

For a 1st offence?

Its a max of 2 years not sure what you would get for a first offence. By the way Where do you live?

As a Canadian who works in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that for a first offence you'll be looking at nothing except maybe probation. Especially if the Liberals stay in power.