party poker rant

[Loismustdie 0]

I lost $1600 in a PLO8 pot to a one out straight flush river that yook me from 3/4ing to being 3/4ed. All the money wen in on the turn.Feel better?

That's hardcore. That's also why I love this game.

[PFunk 0]

If you knew, really knew that it was part of the game, that 47% of the time you will lose if you are good and the money is in that 3%- you would just shut up and forget about it.

Could you please interpret what it is you are saying here, cuz I have no idea....seriously?

[Loismustdie 0]

This one is for silent snow-- Dude, NO!!!NO!!!NO!!!NO!!!! You have got to prove that you are right, not the other way around. We are not questioning, so we have nothing to prove. You, however, have everything to prove. Do you see why?

[PFunk 0]

Once again...wtf are u talking about up there lois?...47 percent etc...?

[Loismustdie 0]

If you knew, really knew that it was part of the game, that 47% of the time you will lose if you are good and the money is in that 3%- you would just shut up and forget about it.

Could you please interpret what it is you are saying here, cuz I have no idea....seriously?

Think about it, it will come to you. You know what, I will explain, I think you actually don't know. What I am saying is that a good player will lose 47% of the time, overall- the money is in the 3% difference. Understand?

[PFunk 0]

Nope...that makes very little sense to me...Im not sure where you are getting your statistic that a good player will lose 47% of the time overall considering "overall" is a pretty loose term...Are we talking hand for hand, career, showdowns or what?...Doesnt matter probably, just doesnt mean much to me but if it works for you, whirred-P

[Loismustdie 0]

Nope...that makes very little sense to me...Im not sure where you are getting your statistic that a good player will lose 47% of the time overall considering "overall" is a pretty loose term...Are we talking hand for hand, career, showdowns or what?...Doesnt matter probably, just doesnt mean much to me but if it works for you, whirred-P

Didn't really think it would make sense to you and really I am happy. I need guys that don't have a clue so I can make money. Thanks, man!!

[Loismustdie 0]

Also, overall is not really a loose term. It means all things taken into consideration.

[PFunk 0]

Yea...I really need a statistic you pull out of your ass, which someone probably told you, or you misread somewhere and dont even understand urself to win at poker...HaWhats the deal with the crowd on this forum....not good initial contact here, you people are rude twats.....atleast alot of people vulturing around this thread anyways are just dumbin, and I dont get it....

[Loismustdie 0]

Yea...I really need a statistic you pull out of your ass, which someone probably told you, or you misread somewhere and dont even understand urself to win at poker...HaWhats the deal with the crowd on this forum....not good initial contact here, you people are rude twats.....atleast alot of people vulturing around this thread anyways are just dumbin, and I dont get it....

I never once called you a name just pointed out where you are wrong. If you don't like it here then leave, no one will care. You'll just be one more dude who can't handle the truth about this game. Seriously, if you want to get better listen to the guys on this site, they and dare I say we know what we are talking about. You could learn alot if you just listened- but, it's pointless to even say this because you won't. More money for me.

[PFunk 0]

I'd listen if you have some respectful and decent advice to offer, but it sounds like you dont...saying a good player will lose "overall" 47% of the time means NOTHING to me....seriously, think about it......and it makes it sound like you have no clue what you are talking about....school me if u are so educated oh master.Theres no doubt that there are good players here and you're talking to one yourself...Im sure there are lots of people with great advice and I've probably learned alot already from reading the content on this site mostly from Daniel, but probably havent learned very much reading too much in the forums...There's alot of fat to trim it seems-

[Loismustdie 0]

I'd listen if you have some respectful and decent advice to offer, but it sounds like you dont...saying a good player will lose "overall" 47% of the time means NOTHING to me....seriously, think about it......and it makes it sound like you have no clue what you are talking about....school me if u are so educated oh master.Theres no doubt that there are good players here and you're talking to one yourself...Im sure there are lots of people with great advice and I've probably learned alot already from reading the content on this site mostly from Daniel, but probably havent learned very much reading too much in the forums...There's alot of fat to trim it seems-

47% of the time you will lose, if you are good. 53% of the time you will win, if you are good. If you are extremely good you can knock that up to 55%- that's it, big guy. It does not take a genius too understand these stats, they are very simple. You, sir, are not worth the time though. Go away.

[Loismustdie 0]

I'd listen if you have some respectful and decent advice to offer, but it sounds like you dont...saying a good player will lose "overall" 47% of the time means NOTHING to me....seriously, think about it......and it makes it sound like you have no clue what you are talking about....school me if u are so educated oh master.Theres no doubt that there are good players here and you're talking to one yourself...Im sure there are lots of people with great advice and I've probably learned alot already from reading the content on this site mostly from Daniel, but probably havent learned very much reading too much in the forums...There's alot of fat to trim it seems-

Respectful??!!!?? Who do you think you are??? As soon as anybody answered your dumb ass thread you started going off about how you couldn't see why nobody agreed with your whining. Nobody has to respect you, you have done nothing to earn it. NOTHING.

[PFunk 0]

lmao....good stuffUr statistic is retarted, much like you it seems....I knew what you were talking about as it made sense, but I just couldnt believe or imagine a monkey like you was really trying to make ur point about your coinflip win/lose scenario for a good player......U sir are a monkey, and probably a terrible card player I would imagineI generally win close to or over %80 of the hands I showdown, which is all I care about....If I were counting all hands I lost, I would probably easily lose over %80 of all hands dealt to me (depending on the game and scenario), since I generally try to play strong, folding alot pre-flop which would be considered a losing hand, so I probably only win maybe %30 percent of the hands I play overall, if even, when taking all into account.Tell me, what good is your statistic? Its pretty lame man, u must admit....

[macphec 0]

if it were rigged who would catch them? do the auditors audit the software(useless because you can switch software), or track actual hand histories. if they do hh, is anyone allowed to verify? after all they have a large financial incentive not to check too carefully. if a scam does come out, just say they were mislead like everyone else, and in the meantime take the money from insufficient audits.They have a large incentive not to check their software?!?!?! WTF?!Um, how about if Party gets caught manipulating algorithms then they will surely lose their status of public company on the London Stock Exchange and lose 100's of millions of dollars?Go to Party's website, they have links to their auditors who are extremely reputable. Party et al have every reason NOT to manipulate software. As for the burden of proof, well that is on people who accuse sites of cheating. You can't come on here and say "Party is cheating and I dare you to prove otherwise". RidiculousThe only people who complain about online sites being rigged are people who haven't played poker long enough to realize IT F>UCKING HAPPENS

[PFunk 0]

Did u know that 67.23% of the time, atleast 2 players will squeeze out a fart at a table over a 5 hour session?Now thats a statistic to be careful about, and much more useful to me then yours-

[chindi 0]

if it makes you feel any better you can imagine that i said this instead- "even though we all know online poker is definitely not rigged, could someone please provide any concrete evidence that it is not to console ourselves after multiple bad beats, or shut down annoying "rigged" threads?"

Even though we know gravity exists, can someone please provide concrete evidence that people can't just get flung off into space, so as to shut down annoying tabloid stories?Even though we know horses can't talk, can someone please provide concrete evidence that they can't, to shut down all those Mr. Ed songs and TV shows?----The burden, nincompoop, is on the prosecution to prove it's theory. It's not enough simply to say 'There is no 100% proof that this ISN'T the case'. There is a debating/trial codicil that it is impossible to prove a negative. You can't prove that someone wasn't at location X, but you CAN prove that he was at location Y. So, between demanding people prove your theory is wrong, putting forward absolutely no evidence to support it (other than 'It could happen!') and insisting that people do the impossible (prove that it's NOT rigged).... you're pretty much wasting a lot of people's time.You think it's rigged? Prove it. Step out with an argument other than 'It feels like it might be' or 'You can't prove that I'm wrong', because things don't work that way. BTW: One of the many reasons that your theory is stupid is that bad beats happen at every street, not just at the river. So your theory that the river is rigged, makes no sense. And if you think that there's evidence of 'fixing' that's just floating out there unreported, you're underestimating your fellow crackpots.

[custom36 4]

I just want to say, while blurry-eyed from sleep, that it's good to know I'm not the only sane one in this topic. I got a little worried in the beginning.Also, there's no incentive for a poker site to rig a game - all they win is the rake , which will accumulate regardless of who wins.

[majorleag 0]

yes i know- online being rigged is impossible, you just suck, etc. etc.forget the standard responses. what i want to know is if anyone can answer these specific questions. ive seen a few discussions and no one has come close to answering them.why would it not be profitable for a site to rig things so that bad players were better and good players worse?(one simple way is to rig longshot river draws)can anyone post any hand histories from poker tracker or anywhere else showing that this is not the case?if it were rigged who would catch them? do the auditors audit the software(useless because you can switch software), or track actual hand histories. if they do hh, is anyone allowed to verify? after all they have a large financial incentive not to check too carefully. if a scam does come out, just say they were mislead like everyone else, and in the meantime take the money from insufficient audits.what i am getting at is that it would be very profitable for them to rig things, the official auditors easily might not catch them and have an incentive not to, and it would be very hard to prove they are rigging things.the only way you could prove it is by going back through all of your hand histories where you knew the hole cards by the turn, and checking for the proper percentage of hits on the river.last question. short of doing this by hand, does anyone know of any software that allows you to do this?one last thing- if you are not going to respond to the questions in here, dont bother, because you being "sure its not rigged, even though i have no evidence" is a worthless response. also, i tried not to be too rude in this post, but it amazes me how rude the "its not rigged" people are when they almost invariably produce no evidence to support their position.

Anything is possible, however I believe that too many people involved with online poker have too much to lose to make rigging a site profitable long term.In the case of PP, you have Mike Sexton who regardless of whether you think he does a good or bad job on the WPT, is a respected player and author and has a contract with the WPT. Does it make sense for him to risk all of that by endorsing a site that is rigging their games? Eventually if they were rigging the game they would get caught. What would that do to Mike's credibility and career? How many people would buy his books and watch him on TV?Now take a look at Poker Stars. Moneymaker, Raymer etc. have contracts for commercials, are on billboards and do appearances etc. How much sense would it make for them to risk all that by endorsing a rigged site? Also many of the reputable sites are audited by accounting firms that also have reputations to uphold.Lastly anyone that has played Poker in a B&M casino as well as online will tell you that they will see the same strange seemingly rigged stuff happen in a live game. I am not the odds expert but maybe someone can tell me the odds of this next scenario which happened to me a few weeks ago happening. I believe that you get pocket aces something like once every 180 hands, not sure if that is accurate exactly but it isn't often. I was at the Bike in LA a few weeks ago and I received pocket rockets 3 times in less than one hour and 2 other people and my table also received them within the same time. Now what are the odds of pocket rockets appearing 5 times in less than one hour at one table? I don't know but they must be astronomical! Now had that happened online someone for sure would be screaming, it's rigged, look the guy got rockets 3 times!! The strange stuff online looks rigged because you see many, many more hands online than in a B&M casino.While anything is possible, if you sit back and think logically you will come to the conclusion that at least for the well known online casino's it makes very little sense for them to rig anything and highly unlikely that it is happening.Good Luck

[Dr_Shakes 0]

I would of never insulted the man had not come in here and been a complete a-hole....Eye for an eye and all that.....It was completely uncalled for, and obviously I wasnt in the happiest of moods...but I am sorry for insulting your boyfriend, I should of just turned the other cheek and been the bigger man...And the point of this thread was not that all internet poker is rigged...I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT NOR WAS I INSINUATING THAT..My initial post was a little misconstrued, but righfully so I guess when I go back and read it...I do however believe that there is some degree of manipulation at play, but again, I have no proof and its simply my opinion....thats it.

And the point of this thread was not that all internet poker is rigged...I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT NOR WAS I INSINUATING THAT..My initial post was a little misconstrued, but righfully so I guess when I go back and read it...I do however believe that there is some degree of manipulation at playEither its rigged or its not. Pick one. 8) You can't have it both ways.

[Smasharoo 0]

The only games no rigged on Party are the 10/20 6-max tables.If you want to avoid beats, you'll play the 10/20 six max tables on Party. Party 10/20 six max.On Party.It's not riggged. No bad beats! Best PF hand allways wins!!10/20 Six.On Party.Poker.Party Poker 10/20. Six max.On Party.

[bobbywithani 0]

So let me review what the arguments why online poker is "rigged"1. To keep the bad players playing and contributing to the rake. If the bad players lose all the time they will quit. Be sure to tell the people at Foxwoods, their cardroom will be closing soon when the bad players quit.2. Their RNG is not random and helps these bad players hit their one outers on the river. So either one of two things happen, they have a computer system so exact that it sees a bad player make bad decisions and then lets them hit their cards. So from now on when I have a longshot draw that I would normally fold, I should call and my card will hit because the progam is rewarding my bad play. I suppose they could also have a person watching the tables who programs what card to come. It would certainly be worth it for them to hire people to watch the thounds of tables going on just to collect that extra .50 rake.3. Bad Beats and Downswings. Well I see a lot of people on this site talk about things like Variance, and some notion of 3BB/100, well for 5000 hands last month I was up 7BB/100, Well I know I'm better than all those people so I expect it to stay like this. Yep it is rigged, yesterday I had a 40 BB downswing, the sites must hate me for winning. I don't have any leaks in my game at all.Yep you peole have convinced me online poker is rigged, There is an old Bombshelter under my apartment, we could all meet there and play cards where everything will work out perfectly and the best hand will always hold up.

[chipinchair 0]

Foxwoods is definatley rigged, I saw a guy hit 7 Ace high flushes IN A ROW -- Yes 7. I also saw a guy beat my AKQ high flush in 7-card stud with a royal -- totally fixed. Of all the crap I've seen on PP, these things are dwarfed by the things in a B&M card room (try putting in 40 hours a week there are you will see things you can't imagine). And it all comes down to one determining factor: DONKEYS!! Donkeys will call with anything, anytime -- they will hit one outers because they missed it the past 44 times and are 'due' (in their little minds). If you are a losing player than you are playing too many hands pre-flop and are a fish (or at least a fishy player at the time). Don't be a DONKEY and be prepared to lose to one once in a while. As for PP being fixed, I'm sure that after cashing over $1500 a month for the past 8 months they wouldn't let me get up over $500 last night on a $100 table in 2 hours. Not one pair of aces got cracked -- oh wait...maybe everyone cashed more than me and it was fixed...(SW)

[werm 0]

3 words....Online Poker Sucksalways has and always will... It's never going to compare to live play..ever..

[jayboogie 0]

:roll: What's with these topics?? It always comes from the people who don't know much better. If it's such a problem, why not just quit? I bet your going to be playing on that site again real soon. Then the next time you run bad again, your going to blame the site again for your troubles. Take your beats like a man and stop whining.I've seen crazy things happen online and offline. I saw someone get deault pocket 6's 3 hands in a row and flop a set 3 hands in a row. This was just the other day actually. I've had top set cracked by runner runner quads 2 times in 1 hour before, of course the statistical proababilities of this happening are rediculous, but it happens.I lost a $3700 pot the other day in a 10/20 NL game with a set of Aces to a straight that got there hitting a gutshot. What did I do? Get up bang the table and say this game is rigged? I just tapped the table, said Nice Hand and played the next hand as if nothing happens.