droberts 3 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 new to table... first hand actually. ended up being 50/25/- over 4 hands... obv had Ax and left before the blind came aroundLike the river is an obv fold... so I need to pull the trigger yo def the big raise trigger and not the fold trigger Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 looks like he is vbetting half pot on both streets... i might cbet .40-.50 on flop, check back turn, and prolly fold river unimproved. also what are his stats?cbetting IP with KK on A82r is a very very bad play, DUCY? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 cbetting IP with KK on A82r is a very very bad play, DUCY?agreedyou're down with calling the turn and folding the river? Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I usually call river too, tbh. Lots of people think they can turn their PP into a bluff here because they are so sure we don't have an Ace. (Which is also why checking this flop with AK is good for balance)Edit: Or they have total air and are firing for the same reason. Villain was BB, his range is almost ATC here. Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 i understand checking back flop and calling turn and river... but do we also need to cbet to balance out the times we do have AK and get villain to call down with a worse ace?..if we check back flop with AK and villain leads turn and we raise... isnt he mostly folding his AxXx hands? Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 This is probably a pretty noob question, but what kind of bankroll is considered micro limits? Anything under $1000? $500?Well if you're playing under the "20 buyins for a level" rule which is a fair one to follow, then normally micros are 50nl and below, and small stakes is 100nl and 200nl.thoughts?v1.10Dont have a cow, heres your converted handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersUTG Hero: $10.71 UTG+1 goofy0077: $3.50 CO anonymous4770: $15.77 Button laukaxx: $13.41 SB Casperskii_2010: $10.05 BB balila87: $4.40 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with : : (6 players)Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, balila87 calls $0.30Flop: ($0.85) : : : (2 players)balila87 checks, Hero checksTurn: ($0.85) : (2 players)balila87 bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40River: ($1.65) : (2 players)balila87 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90 IPITS, the river is a fold sometimes but calling is fine too.i understand checking back flop and calling turn and river... but do we also need to cbet to balance out the times we do have AK and get villain to call down with a worse ace?..if we check back flop with AK and villain leads turn and we raise... isnt he mostly folding his AxXx hands?Why would we want to balance our cbetting range with a hand that has such good showdown value? Cbet like JT here or hands that have no other real value, or like pocket 5's. KK has far too much value as the 2nd nut one pair hand in this spot.And if we checked back AK why would we want to raise the turn? I mean it's easy to say "lol I has AK I raise". But really we're getting value maybe from AJ or a retard with an ace, while we lose a ton of money to AQ, sets, other two pairs, etc. definitely not a spot to raise AK on the turn this dry Link to post Share on other sites
Stupidhead 2 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I wish I could be a cash-game grinder. But I run so bad in cash games, it's sickening. Over 10,000 hands and I've yet to make Kings profitable...But for the sake of this thread, maybe I'll give it another go. GL!10K hands isn't nearly a large enough sample size to determine anything. I'm not even sure if 30K is enough. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 10K hands isn't nearly a large enough sample size to determine anything. I'm not even sure if 30K is enough.My 10k hands this month have been the gheySo yeah... one last sess today and I'm gonna def play more in Feb Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 How do we not get stacks in on flop?v1.10Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersUTG wyken: $10.15 UTG+1 Robbert_E: $7.79 CO Hero: $10.00 Button Melford: $9.04 SB Word126: $19.51 BB no3xcus3: $13.12 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with : : (6 players)wyken folds, Robbert_E calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, no3xcus3 calls $0.30, Robbert_E foldsFlop: ($0.95) : : : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero bets $0.70, no3xcus3 calls $0.70Turn: ($2.35) : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.35) : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero checksHero showed : :, and won ($2.20) with three of a kind, Tensno3xcus3 mucked : :Hero won $2.20(Rake: $0.15) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Silly double postaments*insert strategic advice* Link to post Share on other sites
hartman72 0 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 How do we not get stacks in on flop?v1.10Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersUTG wyken: $10.15 UTG+1 Robbert_E: $7.79 CO Hero: $10.00 Button Melford: $9.04 SB Word126: $19.51 BB no3xcus3: $13.12 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with : : (6 players)wyken folds, Robbert_E calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, no3xcus3 calls $0.30, Robbert_E foldsFlop: ($0.95) : : : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero bets $0.70, no3xcus3 calls $0.70Turn: ($2.35) : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.35) : (2 players)no3xcus3 checks, Hero checksHero showed : :, and won ($2.20) with three of a kind, Tensno3xcus3 mucked : :Hero won $2.20(Rake: $0.15)Not much you can do when bottom set decides to check/call you on a 2 flush/3straight board Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Are you posting the hand twice to increase the villain's opportunity to raise the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 A challenge thread. Lets do it. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I think you have to bet/fold on of those streets James, probably turn, most of his straight draws will have a nine in the hole anyways Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Hold?v1.10once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 5 playersUTG Hero: $11.57 CO CoreGem: $10.87 Button wishtoker: $3.62 SB prawemit: $9.90 BB Paick_CZ: $4.51 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with : : (5 players)Hero raises to $0.40, CoreGem folds, wishtoker calls $0.40, prawemit folds, Paick_CZ calls $0.30Flop: ($1.25) : : : (3 players)Paick_CZ bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, wishtoker raises to $3.22, and is all in, Paick_CZ raises to $4.11, and is all in, Hero calls $2.61Turn: ($12.69) : (3 players)River: ($12.69) : (3 players)Hero showed : :, and lost with a flush, Jack highwishtoker showed : :, and lost with a flush, Ten highPaick_CZ showed : :, and won ($11.85) with a flush, Queen highPaick_CZ won $11.85(Rake: $0.84) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 And sigh... v1.10Milked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersUTG DanielTeja: $10.34 UTG+1 Ch3ckMat3in3: $10.15 CO seabas85: $9.70 Button Hero: $13.92 SB aitor88: $13.53 BB Word126: $18.04 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is Button with : : (6 players)2 folds, seabas85 raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, aitor88 calls $0.30, Word126 foldsFlop: ($1.15) : : : (3 players)aitor88 bets $1.15, seabas85 raises to $4.60, Hero raises to $13.57, and is all in, aitor88 folds, seabas85 calls $4.75, and is all inTurn: ($21.00) : (2 players)River: ($21.00) : (2 players)seabas85 showed : :, and won ($19.60) with three of a kind, QueensHero showed : :, and lost with three of a kind, Twosseabas85 won $19.60(Rake: $1.40) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 January:Not enough volume. Bad!Lots of videos, HH reviews, talking poker etc. Good!Graph: http://grab.by/27xJ. 10.7k hands at 10nl for -$26 -2.4bb/100So online: ($26)Rakeback: $39Total $13LOLive poker: $136TOTAL: $149February goals:Keep focusing, studying and learning as much about poker as possible.15k hands (20k ideally)Get PT3 for mac and get rid of co-pilot Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 GL guys! Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 February tho! Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Well if you're playing under the "20 buyins for a level" rule which is a fair one to follow, then normally micros are 50nl and below, and small stakes is 100nl and 200nl.IPITS, the river is a fold sometimes but calling is fine too.Why would we want to balance our cbetting range with a hand that has such good showdown value? Cbet like JT here or hands that have no other real value, or like pocket 5's. KK has far too much value as the 2nd nut one pair hand in this spot.And if we checked back AK why would we want to raise the turn? I mean it's easy to say "lol I has AK I raise". But really we're getting value maybe from AJ or a retard with an ace, while we lose a ton of money to AQ, sets, other two pairs, etc. definitely not a spot to raise AK on the turn this dry+1 Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Also as you may well learn in this thread. I teach with tough love, the best way to learn is to learn it straight up imo. We all have to leave our egos at the door. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 January was not a great month. I did profit, it just wasn't as good as December, but that's how it goes sometimes.Feb. Goals:Play more hands.Play less tournaments (maybe one or two on the weekends).Get ready to move up to 10NLWatch more videos on DC (any recommendations would be appreciated).Try to post my own hands here more often.PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT!!January's Graph: Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Villain is a fairly bad reg, 27/16/2.7 over 300 hands with the following notesraised UTG and called 56/28's UTG+1 3bet, got it all in with 5-7 on 997x board 4betshoves AK over small 3betflats QQ IP to 3bet squeeze, shoves over cbet on TT3 flopDont have a cow, heres your converted handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1 - 5 playersUTG: $100.00 CO: $128.00 (Hero)Button: $74.25 SB: $100.00 BB: $61.05 Preflop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with (5 players)UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 3 foldsFlop: ($9.50) (2 players)UTG bets $7, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $13Turn: ($49.50) (2 players)UTG bets $76, and is all in Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Hi! Playing live and posting from phone! I think it's a fold babs, like in your notes he likes to get it in light but generally one pair or something like a made hand Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 If all your outs are clean you have 15 outs for like 30% and getting 1.67-1 you need 37% Link to post Share on other sites
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