SwolyswoND 1 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 How would you guys play this to maximize value?Nice f'ing flop. Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt Limit Hold'em t40/t80 - 9 playersCO: t1,895 Button: t1,855 SB: t1,105 BB: t1,405 UTG: t1,350 UTG+1: t1,700 MP: t1,385 (Hero)MP2: t1,785 HJ: t1,020 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, HJ calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checksFlop: (6.50 SB) (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 foldsTurn: (5.75 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG callsRiver: (7.75 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets Link to post Share on other sites
Viper_13 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I've been playing a lot of Full Tilt Rush poker (.50/$1 limit 9 handed). I've been enjoying it, although just barely beating breaking even. One aspect of it is that you basically have no reads at all off of opponents (except the few I have notes on, or unless you have PT3, but I have PT2). This means that you have to decide on a starting hand strategy and stick to it. I have a few starting hands charts from various books and a print out I keep by my computer from when I was learning the game several years ago. I think the game has changed in the past few years with players being much more aggressive, and Rush does play pretty tight, so I'm not sure of some of the marginal decisions in my starting charts. So I thought I'd make up a multiple choice quiz on the spots I'm starting to question, to get some other opinions.1. UTG raises and you are UTG+1 with KQo. A. fold B. call C. raise2. UTG raises and you are UTG+1 with AJs A. fold B. call C. raise3. Folds to you in MP with QJs A. fold B. call C. raise4. MP raises and you are button with 88 A. fold B. call C. raise5. MP raises, LP calls, SB folds, you are BB with Q7s A. fold B. call C. raisei: fold, raise, raise, raise, call.i think all a standard except #2, but i din't like the call. i've played a little rush and it does seem tighter and just poor overall. i think with this read 4 is a raise for a few reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Viper_13 0 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 How would you guys play this to maximize value?Nice f'ing flop. Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt Limit Hold'em t40/t80 - 9 playersCO: t1,895 Button: t1,855 SB: t1,105 BB: t1,405 UTG: t1,350 UTG+1: t1,700 MP: t1,385 (Hero)MP2: t1,785 HJ: t1,020 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, HJ calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checksFlop: (6.50 SB) (6 players)BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 foldsTurn: (5.75 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG callsRiver: (7.75 BB) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets i guess just raise the flop. any big heart (might raise), straight draw or pair will come along. on the flip side, there are a number of cards that will cause folds. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 It's too bad, I was about to tell you guys to come rail me at the final table of the $3k guaranteed Limit HE tourney on FT. But then ultradonk open limp/called JTo in the cutoff, and I iso-raised A7o, flop J7x, he c/c. Turn Jack, which is normally a great barrel card for me, but I figured a value check to get him to either bluff air or value-bet worse on the river was better. River blank, he bets I call, so I played it perfectly, but it crippled me. He then laughed endlessly in chat about me raising A-7, and when he got asked about it, he said JT was better than A7. Next orbit I bust in the BB when my K9s runs into the button's AK. ****ing game. Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 No strat necessary, just posting for the shear pleasure. Have to say never had this happen before in BACK to BACK hands...PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is SB with K, KUTG (poster) checks, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG (poster) calls, MP callsFlop: (8 SB) 9, A, K(4 players)Hero bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP callsTurn: (5.5 BB) Q(3 players)Hero bets, UTG calls, MP callsRiver: (8.5 BB) 7(3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checksTotal pot: $17 (8.5 BB) | Rake: $0.75Results:Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).UTG mucked 10, 9 (one pair, nines).MP had 3, 3 (flush, Ace high).Outcome: MP won $16.25 Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Made me put it in two separate posts...and villain was all-in on the river so no cap possible thank Christ.PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is Button with K, K1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero callsFlop: (13 SB) 3, K, 9(3 players)SB bets, MP calls, Hero callsTurn: (8 BB) 3(3 players)SB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, MP callsRiver: (14 BB) A(3 players)SB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP 3-bets, Hero callsTotal pot: $36.50 (18.25 BB) | Rake: $1Results:Hero had K, K (full house, Kings over threes).MP had A, A (full house, Aces over threes).Outcome: MP won $35.50 Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Okay, time for a serious hand...was planning a second check raise when he 3-bet the flop, turn card changed my thinking...best line?PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is BB with 3, 32 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero callsFlop: (4.5 SB) 3, 2, 4(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero callsTurn: (5.25 BB) A(2 players)Hero bets, CO callsRiver: (7.25 BB) Q(2 players)Hero bets, CO callsTotal pot: $18.50 (9.25 BB) | Rake: $0.75 Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 I like it. You will fold out his unpaired broadway hands that might have bet the turn as a scare card, but that's it. Any other PP is checking behind, and who knows even Ax might value check since 5x is certainly in your range. Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 No strat necessary, just posting for the shear pleasure. Have to say never had this happen before in BACK to BACK hands...PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is SB with K, KUTG (poster) checks, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG (poster) calls, MP callsFlop: (8 SB) 9, A, K(4 players)Hero bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP callsTurn: (5.5 BB) Q(3 players)Hero bets, UTG calls, MP callsRiver: (8.5 BB) 7(3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checksTotal pot: $17 (8.5 BB) | Rake: $0.75Results:Hero had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).UTG mucked 10, 9 (one pair, nines).MP had 3, 3 (flush, Ace high).Outcome: MP won $16.25Out of curiosity, were you c/f or c/c the river in this hand? Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 He actually should be bet/folding that river, even 3way. c/c is beyond bad there, if you check it's with the intention of folding. Which is gross. So just b/f. Who knows maybe he even throws away that 3d. Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Out of curiosity, were you c/f or c/c the river in this hand?I was c/f Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I still think it's a b/f, but c/f >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c/c Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 hiWelcome back! Link to post Share on other sites
adamkpm 0 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 http://vvcap.net/db/6XBu1VCeu7Rh7OKSG1Yi.htpSigh... Link to post Share on other sites
adamkpm 0 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Converting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.20 - 9 playersCO: $1.20 Button: $2.23 SB: $1.18 BB: $4.13 UTG: $8.98 UTG+1: $6.43 MP: $3.06 MP2: $3.75 (Hero)HJ: $10.00 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is MP2 with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP folds, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 callsFlop: (7.50 SB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 callsTurn: (6.75 BB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 callsRiver: (8.75 BB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero callsAny thoughts on my line? Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Looks fine... Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 8 User(s) are reading this topic (6 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)2 Members: KingJames, adamkpmQQ looks goodGet on skype fish Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Did I lose any value here? Comments on all streets welcomeFeral Cow PokerPokerStars Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.20 - 10 playersSB: $3.57 BB: $5.59 (Hero)UTG: $8.02 UTG+1: $4.46 MP: $6.60 MP2: $8.65 MP3: $0.58 HJ: $7.46 CO: $6.94 Button: $3.75 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is BB with (10 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, HJ calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, HJ calls, SB callsFlop: (12.00 SB) (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 foldsTurn: (7.50 BB) (3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checksRiver: (7.50 BB) (3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks(Rake: $0.07) Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Converting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.20 - 9 playersCO: $1.20 Button: $2.23 SB: $1.18 BB: $4.13 UTG: $8.98 UTG+1: $6.43 MP: $3.06 MP2: $3.75 (Hero)HJ: $10.00 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is MP2 with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP folds, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 callsFlop: (7.50 SB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 callsTurn: (6.75 BB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 callsRiver: (8.75 BB) (3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero callsAny thoughts on my line?You need to fold the river. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Did I lose any value here? Comments on all streets welcomeFeral Cow PokerPokerStars Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.20 - 10 playersSB: $3.57 BB: $5.59 (Hero)UTG: $8.02 UTG+1: $4.46 MP: $6.60 MP2: $8.65 MP3: $0.58 HJ: $7.46 CO: $6.94 Button: $3.75 Preflop: (1.50 SB) Hero is BB with (10 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, HJ calls, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, HJ calls, SB callsFlop: (12.00 SB) (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 foldsTurn: (7.50 BB) (3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checksRiver: (7.50 BB) (3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks(Rake: $0.07)Yes, lead the turn. C/c the river is fine. Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Wouldn't the lead on the turn just scream I hit my ace (maybe I exactly want this given the draws, im not sure), or could I have draws enough here in either villain's mind? If I lead turn and get raised once I assume it's call c/c river? Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Wouldn't the lead on the turn just scream I hit my ace (maybe I exactly want this given the draws, im not sure), or could I have draws enough here in either villain's mind? If I lead turn and get raised once I assume it's call c/c river?I rarely try for a check raise in spots like this. At these stakes in a multi-way pot, you will get action... Link to post Share on other sites
adamkpm 0 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 You need to fold the river.Can you explain this for me a little more? Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 What hand is he raising on the river that you beat? 99 out of a 100 times, a river c/r in LHE, especially given the heavy previous action means that that player doesn't care if you have an overpair or TPTK. Basically in this case, he is putting you on QQ+, and doesn't care. Add to that that every draw has now hit, and there is not a single hand you are beating. Also, TBH, you probably should've flatted the flop and raised a non-heart turn. Link to post Share on other sites
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