moto67e 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I've got caught bluffing and done what the other guy did, and you do not have to show your cards. I have done that twice in a casino because I did not want people to see how bad of a bluff I was on, the other player never showed his cards. Old Guy Screwed You!On a side note, if you get caught bluffing, everyone knows that you were bluffing by the instamuck when your opponent calls. So I say you should wait for him to show his hand so you at least know what he's willing to call you down with. just my .02 Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Whereby neither played actually SHOWED downBecause neither player "showed down," the pot was chopped. Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 It was time for showdown... however, one player mucked his cards. Are you saying you would not award the pot to the OP if he held his cards face down and awaited the chips? You would declare him a loser?If a player, in this situation, wants the pot they should table their hand by flipping both cards face up. Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings7 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 You got hosed. You called him so he has to showdown his hand. He mucked, awarding you the pot. The hand is over at that point. 1) You probably should show from now on.2) By trying not to be the whiny *****, you were being a ***** by not fighting for what you knew was right. You need to stand up for yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Here's another thread with the same question in case any of you want to waste your time at 2+2:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...rt=all&vc=1 Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Here's another thread with the same question in case any of you want to waste your time at 2+2:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...rt=all&vc=1 I don't want to waste my tme on 2+2. And I would like to see you try to award any part of a pot to any other player but me if I am the only person with live cards left. Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Because neither player "showed down," the pot was chopped.All players dealt in the hand should have gotten their money back, with your reasoning. No one had live cards, with your reasoning. How come the pot was chopped two ways?? I think you are not only wrong on this one but totaly out on your own; no one seems to be agreeing with you. Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 All players dealt in the hand should have gotten their money back, with your reasoning. No one had live cards, with your reasoning. How come the pot was chopped two ways?? I think you are not only wrong on this one but totaly out on your own; no one seems to be agreeing with you.Your reasoning is flawed because only two players were in the hand at showdown (after a bet and call after the river card was dealt). Making an excuse for everyone dealt in the hand is illogical.The pot was chopped because two players went to showdown and no one showed their hole cards.If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Laugh at the BB, punch the old guy in the lip, and scoop YOUR pot. Link to post Share on other sites
TheDelta 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Your reasoning is flawed because only two players were in the hand at showdown (after a bet and call after the river card was dealt). Making an excuse for everyone dealt in the hand is illogical.The pot was chopped because two players went to showdown and no one showed their hole cards.If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot.In the 2+2 thread, there are more than enough people posting their live play experience that you can win that pot without showing your cards. At least that's what I read in there...At the same time, I think your logic is flawed. When the other guy mucked his hand, the player became the last person with live cards at the table. A person without live cards cannot be awarded any part of the pot, or am I wrong here? So as soon as there is only one person left at the table with live cards he automatically has to win the pot, I can see no other logical outcome here, because any other solution would be awarding part of the pot to a person without live cards. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 THE SHOWDOWN1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards faceup on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not.http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/rules/gene...-rules-217.html Wrong in this case.Once the river card was dealt, there was a bet, and a call, there was a showdown.Wrong. The player who had to show first, mucked. Thereby leaving only one player with live cards. The pot goes to the last player with live cards automatically.Because neither player "showed down," the pot was chopped.Wrong.If a player, in this situation, wants the pot they should table their hand by flipping both cards face up.Wrong.Your reasoning is flawed because only two players were in the hand at showdown (after a bet and call after the river card was dealt). Making an excuse for everyone dealt in the hand is illogical.The pot was chopped because two players went to showdown and no one showed their hole cards.If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot.They're all wrong.The only correct answer is to hold your cards until the pot is yours. The player who bet is obligated to show his cards first. If he mucks... duh.... I can't believe we're even discussing this. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 You're all wrong.There are no hard and fast rules to poker. The closest thing for a genreic set is 'Roberts Rules of Poker' by Robert Ciaffone, but it is always house rules. Best practice is to know what they are before you playIf the house insists that you have to have sex with the dog to claim the pot then those are the rules you are playing under and you better hope Fido is not a scratcher.DCJ001 has quoted from Robert's Rules but he has got it wrong. If you are playing under these rules I direct you to the Hold'em section (same website http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/rules/rule...poker-219.html)Rule #9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot.As soon as he mucks he has no claim to the pot. You are the last player in. You can claim without showing Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey Guy 4 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 You're all wrong.There are no hard and fast rules to poker. The closest thing for a genreic set is 'Roberts Rules of Poker' by Robert Ciaffone, but it is always house rules. Best practice is to know what they are before you playIf the house insists that you have to have sex with the dog to claim the pot then those are the rules you are playing under and you better hope Fido is not a scratcher.DCJ001 has quoted from Robert's Rules but he has got it wrong. If you are playing under these rules I direct you to the Hold'em section (same website http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/rules/rule...poker-219.html)Rule #9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot. Rule#9 is exactly correct. once you muck your hand without declaring something to the contrary there is no longer a showdown therefore the only live hand wins & he can show if he wants. This being said I will always show my hand just in case i missed something being declared that the dealer picked up because if he says something was declared it's final. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Rule #9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot.As soon as he mucks he has no claim to the pot. You are the last player in. You can claim without showingDCJ001 just got pwned. Link to post Share on other sites
BDPoolie 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I can't believe this thread has gone on this long. I am a dealer and know for a fact that when the player mucked their cards, the pot automatically belongs to the one remaining player. There is no need to show the cards. If someone asks to see either of the final two players cards, then you have to show, but if no one asks you do not have to show.For another funny story, this happened at a home game that my brother was playing:No need to set up the situation, but basically at the end of the hand, the board showed A-K-8-7-3 of diamonds for a flush on the board. My brother had A-Q of diamonds for the Queen high flush. The other guy had A-K (no diamonds) for two pair. Obviously, my brother won the pot. But the other guy swore up and down that it should be a split pot because they both had a flush. He thought it didn't matter that my brother had the Q of diamonds. All he knew is that they both had a flush and it was a split pot. All the other players of course agreed with my brother, but it took them awhile to get the guy to understand that he was wrong.Needless to say, they invited them to come their cash game anytime. Link to post Share on other sites
13CARDS 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot.Come play in my room and watch me rule AGAINST you ever single time. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 DCJ001 just got pwned.He was pwned way before that post, brother. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Stare at my sig pic.Okey dokey. Link to post Share on other sites
Pokergolf 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 The pot clearly was yours given that the dude mucked, BUT...........given that you originally limped with the aces, and then limped again after the pre flop raise and then checked them on both the flop (you really were scared of trip tens? yikes) and on the turn and then called on the river (while mortified that you were making a bad call), I really think you should be forced to play the next six tournements you participate in with a skirt and a tampon. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 The old guy is a lying dirty scumbag. Er...what I mean is, he was mistaken. Your pot. You got hosed by the "Old guy must be right" deferral. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 OP you're weak.You're weak for playing aces like that, and you're weak for not making a fuss about it and just giving up half a pot that was rightfully yours. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 The old guy is a lying dirty scumbag. Er...what I mean is, he was mistaken. Your pot. You got hosed by the "Old guy must be right" deferral.The classic argument:"Well, when you reach my age you'll find that's not true." Link to post Share on other sites
yeffy 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Your reasoning is flawed because only two players were in the hand at showdown (after a bet and call after the river card was dealt). Making an excuse for everyone dealt in the hand is illogical.The pot was chopped because two players went to showdown and no one showed their hole cards.If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot.The ruling varies by region. Vegas the OP wins the pot. Cali the OP wins the pot. Atlantic City there is a NJ gaming rule that one player must showdown a hand and so yes it would be a chop. For a home game that is an awful ruling the action was crystal clear as to who the winner was. Roberts rules (rule set that is the basis for many major card room rule books) has a clause: the floormen may make any decision that is in the best interest of the game. Clearly not awarding the pot to the OP is not in the "best interest of the game" Link to post Share on other sites
channjalen2003 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I think you should be penalized 10 minutes for giving up all your chips. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Quit poker.And never disagree with Dane.Ever. Link to post Share on other sites
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