Not Value Betting Quads

[ukwildcat09 0]

I am in the BB with AKo. MP raises to 3x BB. I just call. Flop: KKJ rainbow. I check. Player behind me makes a 2/3 pot bet. I call.Turn: 5I check. He checks. River: KI CHECK. He checks. He shows Q9. Then I draw criticism from him for not betting my quads for value. In my mind, I almost gain more value by checking in this situation. If he has a Jack, he obviously bets. Pocket Queens - he bets. Aces - he bets. A 5 - he bets. He might even bet with Ace high. What is the best to do in this situation? I feel that checking is the best. But on the other hand, I could have made the ultra-obvious value bet and hoped for a call. Discuss please.

[spydur86 0]

I am in the BB with AKo. MP raises to 3x BB. I just call. Flop: KKJ rainbow. I check. Player behind me makes a 2/3 pot bet. I call.Turn: 5I check. He checks. River: KI CHECK. He checks. He shows Q9. Then I draw criticism from him for not betting my quads for value. In my mind, I almost gain more value by checking in this situation. If he has a Jack, he obviously bets. Pocket Queens - he bets. Aces - he bets. A 5 - he bets. He might even bet with Ace high. What is the best to do in this situation? I feel that checking is the best. But on the other hand, I could have made the ultra-obvious value bet and hoped for a call. Discuss please.

I think a lot of the hands you mentions he calls with too, given the fact that he has no real reason to believe he's behind. That would be completely up to how much you were tossing into the pot though. Also, given your situation, it's very possible that you're looking for exactly what you are, an opportunity to check raise. At least in the situation of you betting he knows what he's putting into the pot, and can then decide whether or not it's worth that much too him. If he bets into your check, it could end up ugly really really fast.EDIT: I dunno if all that makes sense or not, I'm rather tired and wasn't too careful with my wording.

[litlebullet 0]

this has a ton to do with image, both his, and what he thinks of you. Also, what is this? A cash game, or a tourney?

[ukwildcat09 0]

this has a ton to do with image, both his, and what he thinks of you. Also, what is this? A cash game, or a tourney?

Cash game - 25NL. Donkey limits.

[H_Factor73 2]

I am in the BB with AKo. MP raises to 3x BB. I just call. Flop: KKJ rainbow. I check. Player behind me makes a 2/3 pot bet. I call.Turn: 5I check. He checks. River: KI CHECK. He checks. He shows Q9.

Was Jennifer Tilly at this table?

[rgold79 0]

You did play this a little passively, but really it's not much of a hand to dwell over. The thing with quads is that it's not worth wasting brain space thinking about how to maximize earn when they come along. It happens really infrequently, and it's hard to find board combinations where you can make quads and someone else will have hand good enough to pay you off with.By the way, at 25NL and below I almost always lead out with trips on the flop. A lot of players aren't really thinking about what you have and there are others who "expect" that everyone will slow play trips on the flop. Slow playing at this level does not have much value added - unless you know your opponent's tendencies well.

[pokerfan1080 0]

I hardly ever slow play anymore, it's bitten me too often in the past.I lead this flop with at least a half pot bet, and push a re-raise if it comes.If I get a call on the flop I continue to lead with 2/3 to 3/4 pot bets, sometimes even pot sized bets. I'm playing this hand to show down and doing my best to get all my money in the pot by the river.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'd be check-raising the flop here like 100% of the time.On the river, I can't say that I like your check, but I don't hate it either. If he has the J beaten, then he might bet. If he has Jx, he's likely to check behind becuase he knows that the best he's gonna do is probably split it. From his standpoint, your most likely hand is Jx and if he bets, you're not folding the J anyway, so he's probably only betting QQ and AA here for value and he may bluff with some hands if he puts you on QT or some kind of straight draw.Overall, I think you should be betting the river becuase you'll certainly get called by some hands that would never consider betting the river, namely Jx.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

If you're hoping for a bet from the opponent on the River, then you may as well lead out. The only money you're going to scare away is a total stab. Any decent hand that you're trying to trap will likely call a bet here.

[docnuclear 0]

The way you played it, I push river expecting to get called byJx and QQ-AA, at these mimits, noone ever lays down a full house.I'd check raise the flop, check the turn push river, or check raise flop lead turn if I were you depending on opponent...

[mrdannyg 274]

for the same reason he often bets there, he'll call with almost anything. no reason not to throw out a huge 'value bet,' knowing he pretty much never folds QQ+, Jx, any maybe others.

[ukwildcat09 0]

Thanks for the replies. Summary: bet the river.