NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Value shove amirite? (sickest hand in a while btw)That is so gross, and for sure its for value. Someday I want to be good.Played some 10/150 tonight at casino, up $1000.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Comments from anybody? 2 hands from today.Full Tilt Poker Game #3810118833: Table Pupa (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:14 ET - 2007/10/10Seat 1: Fluffdog ($4,642.50)Seat 2: amrasaralond ($1,347.50)amrasaralond posts the small blind of $10Fluffdog posts the big blind of $20The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Fluffdog [8h 8c]amrasaralond raises to $40Fluffdog raises to $160amrasaralond has 15 seconds left to actamrasaralond calls $120*** FLOP *** [Js Ks Kd]Fluffdog bets $240amrasaralond raises to $1,187.50, and is all inFluffdog has 15 seconds left to actFluffdog has requested TIMEFluffdog calls $947.50amrasaralond shows [2c 2d]Fluffdog shows [8h 8c]*** TURN *** [Js Ks Kd] [3d]*** RIVER *** [Js Ks Kd 3d] [Qd]amrasaralond shows two pair, Kings and TwosFluffdog shows two pair, Kings and EightsFluffdog wins the pot ($2,694.50) with two pair, Kings and Eightsamrasaralond is sitting out*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $2,695 | Rake $0.50Board: [Js Ks Kd 3d Qd]Full Tilt Poker Game #3809991636: Table Pupa (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:40:56 ET - 2007/10/10Seat 1: Fluffdog ($2,608.50)Seat 2: amrasaralond ($3,397.50)Fluffdog posts the small blind of $10amrasaralond posts the big blind of $20The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Fluffdog [Ts 7s]Fluffdog raises to $60amrasaralond raises to $180Fluffdog calls $120*** FLOP *** [7c 6d 3c]amrasaralond checksFluffdog bets $240amrasaralond calls $240*** TURN *** [7c 6d 3c] [4c]amrasaralond checksFluffdog has 15 seconds left to actFluffdog bets $480amrasaralond raises to $2,977.50, and is all inFluffdog has 15 seconds left to actFluffdog has requested TIMEFluffdog calls $1,708.50, and is all inamrasaralond shows [Ah Kc]Fluffdog shows [Ts 7s]Uncalled bet of $789 returned to amrasaralond*** RIVER *** [7c 6d 3c 4c] [Jh]amrasaralond shows Ace King highFluffdog shows a pair of SevensFluffdog wins the pot ($5,216.50) with a pair of Sevens*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $5,217 | Rake $0.50Board: [7c 6d 3c 4c Jh]Seat 1: Fluffdog (small blind) showed [Ts 7s] and won ($5,216.50) with a pair of SevensSeat 2: amrasaralond (big blind) showed [Ah Kc] and lost with Ace King highSeat 1: Fluffdog (big blind) showed [8h 8c] and won ($2,694.50) with two pair, Kings and EightsSeat 2: amrasaralond (small blind) showed [2c 2d] and lost with two pair, Kings and Twos Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Fluffdog, why does that guy keep trying to bluff you when you keep calling? Link to post Share on other sites
a__thekevlar__2 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Comments from anybody? 2 hands from today.nop, its gonna cost a pretty penny to get into this wizkid's brain. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 That is so gross, and for sure its for value. Someday I want to be good.Played some 10/150 tonight at casino, up $1000.MarkHA! nice little cash.I actually planned to go up there after my visit to the dentist but I fell asleep. Woke up around 8. Picked up the Slydog at 9, went to P.F. Changs for din din, and now, here I sit at 4 AM nursing severe heart burn and intigestion. Yay. and yeah....I gotta be at work by 6:30. Gonna be a very long day. Link to post Share on other sites
mln_falcon 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm also down with KK with the month. Converter not workingPokerStars Game #12543727131: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/10 - 07:10:34 (ET)Table 'Khryses IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Mucher13 ($24.85 in chips) Seat 2: mln_falcon ($140.40 in chips) Seat 3: Stargoose ($50.75 in chips) Seat 4: Coughar ($81.10 in chips) Seat 5: Igot2bullets ($51.30 in chips) Seat 6: Hismoon ($54.65 in chips) Mucher13: posts small blind $0.25mln_falcon: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to mln_falcon [Kd Kh]Stargoose: folds Coughar: folds Igot2bullets: folds Hismoon: raises $1.50 to $2Mucher13: folds mln_falcon: raises $4 to $6Hismoon: raises $24 to $30mln_falcon: raises $25 to $55Hismoon: calls $24.65 and is all-inMucher13 is disconnected *** FLOP *** [2s Tc 4c]*** TURN *** [2s Tc 4c] [Qd]*** RIVER *** [2s Tc 4c Qd] [Qs]*** SHOW DOWN ***mln_falcon: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)Hismoon: shows [Qc Qh] (four of a kind, Queens)Hismoon collected $106.55 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $109.55 | Rake $3 Board [2s Tc 4c Qd Qs]Seat 1: Mucher13 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: mln_falcon (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and QueensSeat 3: Stargoose folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Coughar folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Igot2bullets folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Hismoon (button) showed [Qc Qh] and won ($106.55) with four of a kind, QueensI'm up about $100 so far today though. Link to post Share on other sites
pele_br 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Mark,Checked the youtube link you posted for the WSOP final table you played. I had forgotten how stupid that Cantu kid sounded during that hand. Also, I think it's the only hand they showed that you played during the final table. Correct? Link to post Share on other sites
pele_br 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Comments from anybody? 2 hands from today.Hand 1: Sick call. The only thing I can think of that justifies calling his shove is that the villain gave you a timing tell. Am I right?Hand 2: Again, pretty sick call IMO. This call is gooood. There are 3 clubs out there, a 5 for a straight, or even a 7 with a higher kicker. Not to mention a set or an overpair. You didn't even have a club in case a 4th club came on the river. Either way, I'm guessing you had a very solid read to make that call. I'm going with timing tells again. Hero calls FTW. Link to post Share on other sites
mln_falcon 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I noticed I'm posting a lot of beats in here. I just wanted to show that I can win as well.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)saw flop|saw showdownHero ($92.60)Button ($42.30)SB ($60.55)BB ($63.80)UTG ($159.95)MP ($72.65)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . 1 fold, MP raises to $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds.Flop: ($6.75) , , (3 players)MP checks, Hero checks, Button bets $6, MP folds, Hero calls $6.Turn: ($18.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $12.5, Hero raises to $40, Button calls $21.80 (All-In).River: ($87.35) (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $87.35Results in white below: Hero has Qd Ad (one pair, queens). Button has Qs Jd (one pair, queens). Outcome: Hero wins $93.05. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Fluffdog, why does that guy keep trying to bluff you when you keep calling? Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 HA! nice little cash.I actually planned to go up there after my visit to the dentist but I fell asleep. Woke up around 8. Picked up the Slydog at 9, went to P.F. Changs for din din, and now, here I sit at 4 AM nursing severe heart burn and intigestion. Yay. and yeah....I gotta be at work by 6:30. Gonna be a very long day. Nice night, but ouch this morning! Hope your day is ok!Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Mark,Checked the youtube link you posted for the WSOP final table you played. I had forgotten how stupid that Cantu kid sounded during that hand. Also, I think it's the only hand they showed that you played during the final table. Correct?Yeah, even though I was involved in practically every hand for the 4 hours I was at the table...but with Carlos there they're of course going to show him as much as possible, and then when he busts out, they basically just show all the busto hands till the end.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I noticed I'm posting a lot of beats in here. I just wanted to show that I can win as well.Nice hand, I like it a lot!Mark Link to post Share on other sites
pele_br 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Yeah, even though I was involved in practically every hand for the 4 hours I was at the table...but with Carlos there they're of course going to show him as much as possible, and then when he busts out, they basically just show all the busto hands till the end.MarkI guess this makes sense. From a TV producer's perspective of course, not to those more interested in seeing the actual dynamics of a FT in a WSOP event. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm trying to figure out if this was a +EV play at 100 NL. Villain is 34/10/Infinite, though a small hand sample (50 hands) so he's more or less unknown. How do you react to the initial flop raise? Then, how do you react to the flop shove? What range of hands can you put him on to do this with here?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($103.80)CO ($85.90)Button ($203.20)SB ($158.15)BB ($100)UTG ($321.25)Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.Flop: ($9.50) 5, 7, T(2 players)Hero bets $7, CO raises to $15, Hero raises to $37, CO raises to $81.9, Hero calls $44.90. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 WHAT THE $%^&, Least I'll get it back soon.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($124.70)CO ($109.95)Button ($90.85)SB ($300.15)Hero ($103.95)UTG ($95.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8. UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $5, MP calls $5.Flop: ($18.50) 8, 6, 9(3 players)Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15, MP raises to $42, Hero raises to $97.95, UTG calls $74.50 (All-In), MP calls $55.95.Turn: ($287) 7(3 players, 1 all-in)River: ($287) A(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $303.90Results in white below: Hero has 8d 8h (three of a kind, eights). UTG has 7c Qd (one pair, sevens). MP has 5c 9c (straight, nine high). Outcome: MP wins $303.90. Edit: AMAZING, fish leaves with 350.00 Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm trying to figure out if this was a +EV play at 100 NL. Villain is 34/10/Infinite, though a small hand sample (50 hands) so he's more or less unknown. How do you react to the initial flop raise? Then, how do you react to the flop shove? What range of hands can you put him on to do this with here?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($103.80)CO ($85.90)Button ($203.20)SB ($158.15)BB ($100)UTG ($321.25)Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.Flop: ($9.50) 5, 7, T(2 players)Hero bets $7, CO raises to $15, Hero raises to $37, CO raises to $81.9, Hero calls $44.90.I'd probably call, and get my money in on a non scary turn. With a low pf raise like he has, he could show up with overpairs here. With a infinite aggression factor, he could show up with any draw here. So given those two things, I don't fold. If villian is something like 18/12/1.5, then I'm worried about a set here.Min raise on the flop looks like a set, but, not much you can do oop since he now controls the action.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm trying to figure out if this was a +EV play at 100 NL. Villain is 34/10/Infinite, though a small hand sample (50 hands) so he's more or less unknown. How do you react to the initial flop raise? Then, how do you react to the flop shove? What range of hands can you put him on to do this with here?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($103.80)CO ($85.90)Button ($203.20)SB ($158.15)BB ($100)UTG ($321.25)Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.Flop: ($9.50) 5, 7, T(2 players)Hero bets $7, CO raises to $15, Hero raises to $37, CO raises to $81.9, Hero calls $44.90.Board has too many draws to not get it in with AA here. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'd probably call, and get my money in on a non scary turn. With a low pf raise like he has, he could show up with overpairs here. With a infinite aggression factor, he could show up with any draw here. So given those two things, I don't fold. If villian is something like 18/12/1.5, then I'm worried about a set here.Min raise on the flop looks like a set, but, not much you can do oop since he now controls the action.MarkI absolutely hate calling and checking the turn. This line is almost exactly what he wants because he can check behind with a draw, check if a scary card hits, or control the size of the pot if he wants. I think we have to get the $$ in on this flop if at all possible. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I absolutely hate calling and checking the turn. This line is almost exactly what he wants because he can check behind with a draw, check if a scary card hits, or control the size of the pot if he wants. I think we have to get the $$ in on this flop if at all possible.I'm not checking turn either :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not checking turn either :)MarkFair enough. I guess I'm just not a big fan of calling the flop and then donkbetting the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I have some general questions about 3 bet pots.Against a villain who regularly 3 bets with numbers like 25-28 VPIP/24-20 PFR (which there seem to be a ton of these days)How often are you just flatting 3 bets with when you are in position? With what hands are you calling? Stack sizes?Same questions for OOP.I am just looking for general numbers since I still haven't been playing cash too long and am still adjusting to deep stack poker. I think before I was calling the 3 bet too often and now I think I'm not calling enough. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Fair enough. I guess I'm just not a big fan of calling the flop and then donkbetting the turn.yeah me either really. isap today. :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I have some general questions about 3 bet pots.Against a villain who regularly 3 bets with numbers like 25-28 VPIP/24-20 PFR (which there seem to be a ton of these days)How often are you just flatting 3 bets with when you are in position? With what hands are you calling? Stack sizes?Same questions for OOP.I am just looking for general numbers since I still haven't been playing cash too long and am still adjusting to deep stack poker. I think before I was calling the 3 bet too often and now I think I'm not calling enough.I call often in position. I feel that if you do this though, you need to be committed to shoving any big draw, and even gutterballs sometimes. If I flop a pair, I don't fold a lot. Its really high variance, and it takes a good sense of how your opponent views you to do a lot. I won't call with hands like A9o, or KQo, or AQo for the most part. I just call hands I'd be comfortable shoving the flop with. And I'm not super happy with A9o on a Axx flop. but I am happy with 85h on a J73 2 heart flop. I won't call for less than 100bb effective stacks.I don't call 3bets a lot oop unless we're pretty deep and I want to set mine.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Swingiest day in a while, decided to end on a high note. If I win that 300 BB pot where I'm a 67.5% favorite, this looks a lot different. Link to post Share on other sites
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