River Decision With Overpair Kk

[Bubba83 0]

Play is 9 handed.Stack Sizes:Hero has $194BB has $275Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Hijack with K K 3 folds, MP calls, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB calls, MP calls.Flop: 2 4 3 ($25, 3 players)BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls, MP folds.Turn: 3 ($65, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB calls.River: T ($145, 2 players)BB bets $100, Hero ????Reads:The whole table has been playing loose passive since I sat about 2 hours ago. I have been exploiting this by picking up lots of pots with dead money in them. Read on BB is that he is a good player from what I've seen, pretty TAG, however I think he might be picking up some pots of his own without a hand every once in a while. So far I haven't had a chance to see if he is making moves or not since he isn't called often. What would you do here?

[Snamuh 0]

It sucks but I think this is an easy fold. I can't think of a single hand that you beat right now that plays it like that. While the most likely scenario is the flush, a slowplayed house (33 or TT being most likely) or straight might be possible. I would not make this call unless the villain gave you a reason to believe that he were bluffing.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I'd make a crying call because we've invested so much into the pot already. I think you're beat though.

[Sea Wasp 0]

Easy fold. If he doesnt have a flush he has a boat. If he is any good he must know you have JJ-AA by now and that he has little fold equity against you by bluffing. In knowing this he knows that the chances of you calling a donk bet like this are pretty good. in addition your only into the pot for a little over 1/4 of a buyin and you are not ahead here even remotely enough of the time to make this call profitable without evidence that he is capable of pulling off a move with there. The problem with this hand is that he called the turn with something and the only draw out there got there, so what does he call turn with and then bluff with? JJ-AA would be betting alot less than that if they were to bet for value or as a blocking bet. 55-99 are the only hands he could have to bluff you with and that would take alot of balls. Without evidence he is capable of making a move here i maintain that folding is by far the correct play.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Play is 9 handed.Stack Sizes:Hero has $194BB has $275Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Hijack with K K 3 folds, MP calls, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, BB calls, MP calls.Flop: 2 4 3 ($25, 3 players)BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls, MP folds.Turn: 3 ($65, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB calls.River: T ($145, 2 players)BB bets $100, Hero ????Reads:The whole table has been playing loose passive since I sat about 2 hours ago. I have been exploiting this by picking up lots of pots with dead money in them. Read on BB is that he is a good player from what I've seen, pretty TAG, however I think he might be picking up some pots of his own without a hand every once in a while. So far I haven't had a chance to see if he is making moves or not since he isn't called often. What would you do here?

I'd fold. If he makes this play with 55 or JJ, good for him. Bodog is one of those magic places where stacking off with an overpair is often a good move, but I don't think this is one of those situations.I'd favor a larger bet on the turn.

[Altruist 0]

Easy fold. If he doesnt have a flush he has a boat. If he is any good he must know you have JJ-AA by now and that he has little fold equity against you by bluffing. In knowing this he knows that the chances of you calling a donk bet like this are pretty good. in addition your only into the pot for a little over 1/4 of a buyin and you are not ahead here even remotely enough of the time to make this call profitable without evidence that he is capable of pulling off a move with there. The problem with this hand is that he called the turn with something and the only draw out there got there, so what does he call turn with and then bluff with? JJ-AA would be betting alot less than that if they were to bet for value or as a blocking bet. 55-99 are the only hands he could have to bluff you with and that would take alot of balls. Without evidence he is capable of making a move here i maintain that folding is by far the correct play.

I've got Villain turning a boat. With the way it played out he's got you on a big pair or praying you have a Big A x The $100 value bet on the river wants to be raised all-in...IMO. Why would he bet into that river if he couldn't beat the nut flush and still get paid? It's also possible he flopped the wheel and was confident in his read of your big pair by your bet on the turn, except that you should have bet more if that were the case but we know nothing of Villains skill level..Either that or Villain is capable of representing well. If I knew I'd be seeing him often I'd probably pay for the info and send a message now while I have a chance. If this call donkifies me I'll suck it up and use it against him later. He'll know not to bluff your river down the road with a call here. Even if it hurts your image a bit. I'd prolly let him know that I knew I was beat but was willing to pay for the info on him for later...Scary hand. I stacked a guy at Bellagio a couple nights ago in a similar situation when I flopped the nut straight. He paid for the info but didn't re-buy and keep playing

[Acid_Knight 2]

You can't beat the straight. You can't beat the flush. You can't beat a boat. You should be folding and moving onto the next hand.

[Naismith 0]

I almost never fall on the "fold" side of the coin and even I can't figure out what we beat here. That makes this a totally read-based hand since you're trying to figure out if he's bluffing or not.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I almost never fall on the "fold" side of the coin and even I can't figure out what we beat here. That makes this a totally read-based hand since you're trying to figure out if he's bluffing or not.

Not to be skeptical of people's skill levels or anything, but I rarely see people bluffing scare cards at 1/2 NL. If they're betting, it's most likely becuase they have the flush now, or can beat the flush.

[Jordan 1]

another one of those spots where you could use the same logic i said in another thread...but it can be misjudged...as it requires a really good read on your opponent and how he thinks.most guys dump on the turn here with a flush draw, cause they fail to see a point in just calling when on the river if they hit their hand they doubt they'll get paid off by you (if he thinks your good). And since you said he was "good" i can't see him just calling here with a naked flush draw...cause it's just kinda stupid to do so...but I can't see him calling this turn with total air hoping to hit a "bluff card" about at most 30% of the time, just so he can bluff you with air.i think this is a fold, but there are times where this is a call..im just not thinking it's here..he is OOP, and it's quite hard to bluff like this OOP.- Jordan

[Money022 0]

I'd make a crying call because we've invested so much into the pot already. I think you're beat though.

I wouldn't say having $68 in is committing you enough to make a crying call. I'm with the others that this is a pretty easy fold. I would say a boat is the most likely showing from a "good" opponent with the way it was played.

[GoCryWolfe 0]

I wouldn't say having $68 in is committing you enough to make a crying call.

You aren't including the turn bet; the pot is 148, so he has to call 100 to win 248 on the river... 2.5:1 almost.

[Money022 0]

I'd make a crying call because we've invested so much into the pot already.

I read this to mean the Hero alone has invested enough to warrant a call. If that is how Donk meant it, then apply my comment.

I think you're beat though.

If you really think you're beat, then there's no point calling.

[CobaltBlue 662]

If you really think you're beat, then there's no point calling.

Pot odds and reads/percentages, my friend...pot odds and reads/percentages.That said, I'm with everyone else in the fold camp.

[krup24 0]

i agree this is a foldi'll add that overbetting or at least a pot sized bet on the turn could win you the hand and we don't have to win large pots every time.

[Mesisca 0]

fold, the only way you have him beat is if he played Ad Tx thinking two overs and and the 5 were outs, also with bluff potential. He may have hit his ten on the river and now thinks he may get you to make a crying call with 77-99, but I seriously doubt this unless you have any read on him. I dont see people take advantage of the scare card on a complete bluff thats why Ad Tx makes the only hand with some sense that you beat, every other possible holding has you beat. JJ QQ are out of the question because he would have raised, and definitly wouldnt have bet the river that way after the diamond comes out. He doesnt put you on a flush draw the way you bet... easy fold.