Fold?

[Gibby 0]

These always bug me for some reason.Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $896UTG+1: $129CO: $142Button: $204.50SB: $124Hero: $759.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.Flop: (10.4SB, 5 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Turn: (9.7BB, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero foldsFold here? Will post the river after.This one too.. Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $961UTG+1: $136CO: $63Button: $166.50SB: $167Hero: $768.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (12SB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.Turn: (8BB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO.Same thing, will post the result after..Thanks..Figured I would start doing this to help my limit game.

[Moneyball16 0]

Hand 1: The pot is too big to fold here. Also since UTG raised preflop I think its more likely he just has an overpair opposed to having a flush or a straight already. I wouldnt be that worried about the other guy since he didnt raise the turn. A nine will give us the best hand here alot and occasionally a 7 will give us the best hand, but then again a 3 might just give us half the pot and we have to worry about one of these cards coming thats a diamond.Hand 2: I fold too. This is almost never a bluff by CO and Im not sure howmany outs we can gie ourseves here.

[beans422 0]

Call hand 1, we have our open ender, two pair and trip outsI'd put one of them on a set on this board ... nothing else makes sense. So against solid players, I'd make a laydown here as well.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

These always bug me for some reason.Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $896UTG+1: $129CO: $142Button: $204.50SB: $124Hero: $759.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.Flop: (10.4SB, 5 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Turn: (9.7BB, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero foldsFold here? Will post the river after.This one too.. Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $5/$106 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $961UTG+1: $136CO: $63Button: $166.50SB: $167Hero: $768.50Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (12SB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.Turn: (8BB, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO.Same thing, will post the result after..Thanks..Figured I would start doing this to help my limit game.

First dont post stack sizes. Its rarely relevant in lhe and clutters your post. First hand is fine. you're overs are rarely clean. Second hand u played perfect.

[TheCinciKid 0]

Stack sizes are irrelevant in Limit unless there's some ultra lowstack trying to get all-in. That's all I've got for now cuz I've been drinking. I'm post more on this when I'm sober.*edit* Damn you Lucky for making my post irrelevant.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Hand 1:Pretty close. I think we only have about 5 clean outs on the river. (3 non-diamond 8's, 2 9's). The pot is laying us just over 5:1 on our turn call, so i think we can make it, as often UTG is playing a big overpair here. I'm not ready to give up on UTG having AdKd/AdQd just yet though...I think he 3-bets the flop with this hand quite often when he knows he's bringing two along to the turn. It would suck suck suck if UTG1 was tricky and flat-called the turn with a made flush. It's exactly what I would've done in his position.Hand 2: Easy fold, not really close.

[Actuary 3]

hand 1it seems if you are calling two cold on the flop, that your should be callling this turn.that is to say, if you only had 6 outs and subject to redraws, than you should have folded the flop to the raise, yes?but, if you called the flop raise, getting like 6.2 : 1, then you must have figured you had more than 6 outs. You may have actually gained outs on the turnin summary, I think the flop is where you should fold, if you fold.I'd probably call down.

[Bubba83 0]

On a side note, I miss your old avatars Actuary. Do you actually find Beyonce attractive?

[Actuary 3]

Do you actually find Beyonce attractive?

oh yes, extremelyI've had a lot of Avitarsyou miss the Pistacios? or the pretty porn girl?

[Bubba83 0]

I've had a lot of Avitarsyou miss the Pistacios? or the pretty porn girl?

I miss Jules Asner

[Actuary 3]

I miss Jules Asner

never used her

[Bubba83 0]

I must be thinking of someone else.

[bdc30 0]

hand 1it seems if you are calling two cold on the flop, that your should be callling this turn

That was exactly what I was thinking. I woulda folded when it came back to you for 3 bets, but it's close. Once you call that, the pot's too big, and you have to call it down with top pair garbage kicker.

[DonkSlayer 1]

That was exactly what I was thinking. I woulda folded when it came back to you for 3 bets, but it's close. Once you call that, the pot's too big, and you have to call it down with top pair garbage kicker.

Well, I agree we're calling the turn, but I don't believe we call a river bet if a deuce comes.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

It would be nice if we were drawing live after the turn, but the fact remains that this is a 5-way pot in which 3 bets have been put in on flop and the absolute money card has come on the turn. Not only do you have to get extremely lucky to not be drawing dead you have to get even more lucky to catch on the river. 7 is never clean so we are drawing to a 9 and hoping it holds up. Calling down here is lighting money on fire.

[Actuary 3]

Lucky,I really doubt the flush hit already often enough to make folding correct here.UTG is PF raiser, likely no flush.UTG+1 raised the flop facing field with 2 cold, I don't see him having the flush

[Gibby 0]

Thanks guys, this is why I love the forum, I will post the full hand in a few hours when I get home from work.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

[i thought about this after making the post, and came to the same conclusion, but I still think we need to fold the river ui.

[Actuary 3]

[i thought about this after making the post, and came to the same conclusion, but I still think we need to fold the river ui.

yes, I agree there too.I probably do call but not overcall if no A/K hits river,Getting over 12:1, I don't like folding TP.But I think that's my stubborness and hope he went wild on the flop with overs only

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

yes, I agree there too.I probably do call but not overcall if no A/K hits river,Getting over 12:1, I don't like folding TP.But I think that's my stubborness and hope he went wild on the flop with overs only

I suppose we need a better read to fold if utg+1 folds, but villain would have to be a real retard to 3 bet the original raiser and coldcaller on that flop then lead the turn when the 9d rolls off.

[antistuff 0]

in hand one is folding the flop unreasonable?

[DonkSlayer 1]

in hand one is folding the flop unreasonable?

You could sell it as very tight at first, but no business calling two and folding for 3.

[antistuff 0]

but no business calling two and folding for 3.

well, obv

[Zach6668 513]

Meh, I can't play this hand any different.I think we have to call the flop with a pretty good draw, even for 2 cold. The pot is huge from the pf action. On the turn, we are getting the same odds, and we know have a pair, and potentially even more outs. I'm not scared of the flush because the middle guy didn't raise. I definitely see at least the river.I think the interesting question is what do we do if the 3 of clubs hits the river? Or the 8 of hearts? And UTG leads again. The river is a whole bag of issues, actually. Tough to discuss it without seeing the river card, and what happened before the action gets to us. I could go on all day with hypotheticals.