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  1. Congrats guys. Good years all around. Unsure of who to vote for.
  2. I fail to see the appeal of Cain. Ive watched 4 or 5 of these debates so far and just by going off the debates the only thing you get from him is 999. Every question is just answered by him trying to find the quickest way to work in 999.And the same could be said about Bachmann and Obamacare. All her answers conclude with obamacare being horrible.
  3. I think its fair to ignore someones faith when you have other things to evaluate how well they would do in office. Non-believers would have no one to vote for in American politics if we never supported anyone with faith. Speaking for myself, knowing nothing about a candidate except their religion Id rather vote for an atheist over a Protestant and a Protestant over a Mormon, but once Huntsman answers questions about evolution and climate change in a fashion that seems much more secular and in our opinion reasonable than a Bachman, Perry or Palin does then yeah his faith becomes much much less of a factor.I'm sure that there are lots of likely 2012 Obama voters that would ramp up their criticism for Huntsman if he ended up winning the primary, but I also feel like there are a lot of people like me who would vote GOP most of the time if the party was ran by the fiscal conservatives and not the religious right. For example I think you would lump me in with the left wingers, but last time there was an election in Canada, where religion is much less an issue when it comes to politics, I went to pretty much the last minute deciding to vote between the moderate party and the right wing party and gave no thought of voting for the left wing party. I don't know too too much about Huntsman and I'm sure if he won the primary I would learn more, but currently he genuinely feels like a good candidate for the presidency and not just the GOP nomination. He remains relatively secular, which eliminates a huge concern of most Republican politicians for me, seems to have more balls and honesty than Romney, seems to have a good track record from when he was governor and has experience both running a state and dealing with foreign affairs.
  4. This has nothing to do with lying and hypocrisy. If anything I feel like Huntsman is more honest cause he isn't pandering to the Religious Right like Perry is even though it will likely hurt him in the primary. You can believe in God and still understand science. Its just not something that I would typically associate as much with someone from such a conservative faith so that when a Mormon candidate comes along and seems to grasp science its refreshing and surprising to me. And in terms of mocking religious beliefs I don't care about any liberal bent or whatever I just have a lot more intellectual respect for Christians that aren't science deniers.Are you really this much of a contrarian that you have to argue with people even when we are saying nice things about members of your party? And with me being an independent you should definitely be worried about the opinion of people like me when it comes to the GOP candidates. You guys will need some independents to vote for your nominee if you want a Republican to be President. Someone like Huntsman might not represent your beliefs as well as many of the other candidates, but he might be an easier sell up against Obama and that should be something all Republicans should be thinking about when deciding who there nominee will be.
  5. Meh all religions are equally crazy imo, Mormonism is just newer so there has been less time for the crazy to become more mainstream or normal. Some religions are more harmful than others(Id say that Mormonism is about as harmful as being an Evanglical, basically only behind Islam in terms of the larger more prominent religions), but they all seem nutty. From what it seems his religion will not negatively get in the way as much as most of the other candidates that have what most people would consider less radical religious beliefs.The Huntsman interview was short, but he gave great answers, seems to have very good qualifications and If I was eligible Id definitely strongly consider voting for him over Obama.
  6. How does Houston make that list? Ive never been(haven't been to any on the list ), but have never heard anything but terrible things about Houston.
  7. The Doc is pretty good. Tillman was an interesting dude.
  8. Also for anecdotal evidence against BGs theory that voters for a 3rd mostly Libertarian party would just consist of people that would normally vote Republican I would like to say that if I was eligible I would have voted for, and likely heavily supported, Obama in 2008 and most Democrats in 2010, but I would prefer to have Gary Johnson the US president over Obama in 2012. I wouldn't consider myself to belong to any party though.
  9. This is really where I come in as well. I really like Johnson, but on its own I dislike privatized prisons in most cases too. I think the bigger difference would be incentives to rehabilitate the prison population rather than an increase in time served though. As has been pointed out ITT there are financial incentives for groups involved in both public and private prisons to increase sentence lengths so I think it would mostly cancel each other out. With greater government involvement I would guess there would be a greater emphasis on rehabilitation though.That said with no war on drugs I feel like the need for rehabilitation would be greatly reduced. Prisons would have a much larger % of lifers and true sociopaths. And in the case of those 2 groups of people I would support simply locking them up as efficiently as possible which probably means privatization.
  10. Basically down to the wire for me on Monday deciding who to vote for. Only had it narrowed down to Conservatives, Liberals and Green. Ultimately after cramming on the MP candidates in my region I decided to be one of the relatively few new Liberal voters.Overall I'm mostly nervous or disappointed in the election results. I'm nervous about a Conservative majority. I'm mostly good with their stances on economic issues, but am worried about what they could do on other issues. I'm disappointed in the NDP jump. They are too socialist for me and I realize that people seem to love Layton and hate Ignatieff, but I feel like the voters lost track of what their parties stand for and also didn't realize the high % chance that Ignatieff wasn't going to be back anyways.I'm mostly happy that the Bloc lost seats. They seem to be almost as left wing as the NDP anyways, but with just way more annoying french shit, but then again if Quebec did separate I really wouldn't have a problem with it. I wouldn't lose too much sleep losing some good citizens and culture in order for Alberta not to ship them over tons in equalization payments and hopefully if they did separate not having to worry about all the French language issues anymore, if separation is what the citizens of Quebec wanted. Also I'm happy that the Green Party got a seat. I'm glad that they are going to have a larger platform to share their views and I assume they will be able to participate in the next elections debates and I think that's a good thing as well.
  11. I don't think they necessarily feel that they deserved it and the article didn't come off that way to me anyways. The fact that the tornadoes did happen in that area of the USA adds another interesting layer to the story. The disaster is more likely to have a silver lining(for climate change believers anyways) because of where it is. Maybe some people after experiencing some first hand evidence of what could be considered climate change will lead them to do more research on the issue and possibly reconsider their opinion on the matter even if the storms are still just fairly weak and anecdotal evidence.
  12. I'm really liking the show so far and have followed along pretty well from help from hbo and the 2+2 spoiler free thread. I'm not reading all the posts here because too many seem borderline spoilers with book stuff. Ill probably pick up the first book for my next read.Also wondering when Carcetti will show up. Don't answer this if you've read the books I don't want spoilers.
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