Low Limit Holdem Question

[jafrey 0]

OK, So I have been playing at the new French Lick casino....horrid place with horrible dealers...I digress. I have been playing 2/4 and 4/8, that is as big as it gets. I have been having success thus far against the 5-7 to the flop with anything. Everyone chases and I know this. When there is 2 to a suit on the flop I know I am up against at least 1 or 2 flush draws. My question is do I bet the turn anyway knowing I have to lay down a premium hand to the draw if it hits them on the river. I have had to lay down so many sets. When you are up against draws I know I should bet at the pot but no one will ever lay down there draw. I have been reading well but cannot help but feel like I am throwing away a big bet on the turn if it hits and they lay it down generally on the river if it does not hit. Should I check the turn with them. A lot of times I know I am up against a flush draw and straight draw. I usually play for around 12 hours and am not looking to set the world on fire every hour. What do you do.. bet then lay down or check premium hands then lay down. If no one will lay it down do I still bet it or be satisfied with the pot after the flop and river forgetting the big bet turn? Please I know someone knows the math and can feel my pain here.

[Royal_Tour 0]

strat and paragraphs wil get you much better replies than this one i just gave

[dna4ever 2]

you had me at French Lick

[Marc-O 0]

strat and paragraphs wil get you much better replies than this one i just gave

Once you learn these basics, you can move onto reading chapter books.Then I would suggest picking up SSHE by David Skalansky and Mason Malmuth. (sp)Good luck young Jedi

[fleung22 1]

alright alright...the sarcasm police already hit and ran so I'll provide you with an answer.think of it this way. if a player has a flush draw by the turn then he will make that flush on the river approx. 1 in 5 times.the key to low limit holdem is to put the money and jam it when you are ahead.If you make that bet then you will win that extra BB 4 out of 5 times. The times you win more than make up for the times you lose.

[MadKennedy420 0]

GAMBOL you will win.........or have a headache on the way home

[freak2304 0]

definately bet the turn. Basic long-term odds show you will win far more than you lose.

[James D 0]

One big paragraph, so I took in most of it, I think.Basic theory - If you have a made hand, with someone else drawing, you want to make a bet that does NOT give them the correct odds to call, so: edited - mis read OP.

[QWithATray 0]

One big paragraph, so I took in most of it, I think.

except for the "limit" part

[Jeepster80125 0]

One big paragraph, so I took in most of it, I think.Basic theory - If you have a made hand, with someone else drawing, you want to make a bet that does NOT give them the correct odds to call, so: say they have a flush draw after the turn... thats 9 outs, so they have approximately a 20% chance to hit, on the river. That is a 4-1 chance... Therefore, if there is say 1,000 in the pot, if you bet anything less than 201, you are giving them the correct odds to call... So, ideally, you should make a turn bet here of around 300/500 (all dependent on Chips/M of course, but this is assuming all even).But, the key point here, is that even if they hit... you WANT the call, long term - It doesn't matter if they hit or not, they have made a bad call - obviously there are implied odds and such, but for now, just make good bets and know when to lay down when you are beat.

How do you bet 300-500 in a 4-8 limit game? Just curious.

[Marc-O 0]

One big paragraph, so I took in most of it, I think.Basic theory - If you have a made hand, with someone else drawing, you want to make a bet that does NOT give them the correct odds to call, so: say they have a flush draw after the turn... thats 9 outs, so they have approximately a 20% chance to hit, on the river. That is a 4-1 chance... Therefore, if there is say 1,000 in the pot, if you bet anything less than 201, you are giving them the correct odds to call... So, ideally, you should make a turn bet here of around 300/500 (all dependent on Chips/M of course, but this is assuming all even).But, the key point here, is that even if they hit... you WANT the call, long term - It doesn't matter if they hit or not, they have made a bad call - obviously there are implied odds and such, but for now, just make good bets and know when to lay down when you are beat.

I don't think the M factor applies in full ring limit cash games.Just sayin'

[James D 0]

except for the "limit" part

Huh? I interpreted it as low limits, rather than 'limit'.... Seeing as he talked about it in such a way that indicates it's NL in his paragraph. Ok, well if that is the case, then ignore that. And post it in Strat. And if it is Limit, then it's Min Bet isn't it??? Get with it man!!

I don't think the M factor applies in full ring limit cash games.Just sayin'

Sure... I was applying it to NL. I was on a completely different train!How many of these replys am I going to have to correct now?

[Marc-O 0]

Just two

[jafrey 0]

Huh? I interpreted it as low limits, rather than 'limit'.... Seeing as he talked about it in such a way that indicates it's NL in his paragraph. Ok, well if that is the case, then ignore that. And post it in Strat. And if it is Limit, then it's Min Bet isn't it??? Get with it man!!Sure... I was applying it to NL. I was on a completely different train!How many of these replys am I going to have to correct now?

No it is big bets on the turn and river.

[James D 0]

No it is big bets on the turn and river.

Yeah, I was just referring to a joke thread from AcesUp... talking about MinBet Holdem.Nevermind, this thread is just one misunderstanding after another for me.. lol oh well, I'm out.. gl with the game anyway - continue to bet out on the turn against draws anyway.

[Actuary 3]

you don't understand poker theory at allread SSHE to start with.

[AcesUp46 0]

OP, I understand your frustration. I have thought about this issue and you can find good discussion about this on this thread. Basically, the way out is that you have to move to higher stakes.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=81440

[Mrjones_76 0]

If you check the turn and they miss their flush you get nothing. They will simply lay their hand down. If you bet and they miss you get 1 bb. If you bet and they hit, as long as you lay it down you lose 1 bb. They are going to miss alot more than they are going to hit. So you increase your profit by betting the turn if you know you are up against a flush draw and especially if you are up against 2 of them.

[stevedar 0]

bet bet bet

[finztotheleft 0]

OP, I understand your frustration. I have thought about this issue and you can find good discussion about this on this thread. Basically, the way out is that you have to move to higher stakes.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=81440

Now you have to tell him where to meet you.....Pokerstars 5/10 limitPokerstars 5/10 limitThat's Pokerstars 5/10 limitGood luck

[UncleCollins 0]

Then I would suggest picking up SSHE by David Sklansky, Mason Malmuth, and Ed Miller.

FYP.I agree though. To the OP, all your questions on low limit hold'em will be answered in this book. It's an excellent read and it is really worth your time picking up.

[Zach6668 513]

FYP.I agree though. To the OP, all your questions on low limit hold'em will be answered in this book. It's an excellent read and it is really worth your time picking up.

and it's mostly Ed Miller behind SSHE.

Sure... I was applying it to NL. I was on a completely different train!How many of these replys am I going to have to correct now?

No.The concept of M does not apply to NL cash games in any way.