petersun 0 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($89.05)Hero ($20.05)BB ($100)UTG ($302)UTG+1 ($98.50)MP1 ($54.30)MP2 ($48.15)MP3 ($86.95)CO ($98)Preflop: Hero is on the SB with A , 6 . Button Calls $1, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks.Flop: ($2.75) 2 , T , 6 (9 players)Hero bets $1, BB calls $1, calls $1.Turn: ($5.75) 6 (9 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.River: ($5.75) Q (9 players)Hero??Comments on all streets welcome.What should hero do here? If he should bet, how much? If he should check, why? Which move is more +EV and why is it +EV?Note: I am not Hero or in this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Bet the pot Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey16 1 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Bet the turn and hope you get raised by a weaker 6, or get called so you can keep betting the river for value. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 You've bet every street except when you made your hand. That is not slow playing, that is just called minimizing your EV. Bet $3 on the turn. Bet pot on river. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 The turn check is fancy play syndrome. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 got time on my hands.not much of a nl cash player.I think it would have been better to post this and cut action off after your turn check.But, a lot of hands that will bet for you now on the turn would have raised the flop, imo. So, you just lose value from weak T's or gut shots or overcards, or pp's.I find people get so excited by getting a river bet called because they suckered the other guy into calling; however, the total amount won is so often less than what betting out each street would have added up to. Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 But, a lot of hands that will bet for you now on the turn would have raised the flop, imo. So, you just lose value from weak T's or gut shots or overcards, or pp's.I find people get so excited by getting a river bet called because they suckered the other guy into calling; however, the total amount won is so often less than what betting out each street would have added up to.Guilty! Link to post Share on other sites
yergan 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 got time on my hands.not much of a nl cash player.I think it would have been better to post this and cut action off after your turn check.But, a lot of hands that will bet for you now on the turn would have raised the flop, imo. So, you just lose value from weak T's or gut shots or overcards, or pp's.I find people get so excited by getting a river bet called because they suckered the other guy into calling; however, the total amount won is so often less than what betting out each street would have added up to. This is one of those little concepts that I find incredibly helpful. Id never really thought about that. Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 "...and i am more than proficient in the exquisite art of the samurai sword."-Beatrix Kiddo Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 You've bet every street except when you made your hand. That is not slow playing, that is just called minimizing your EV.This is very well said. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 yeah the turn check is bad.as played, pot the river. hero needs to bet here because small pockets and weak tens aren't going to bet the river, but they might call. weak tens or pockets 99-77 are more likely to bet if the river is lower than a T. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 If you lead out on the turn as well, nobody is putting you on a 6. They probably think you still have top pair, so hopefully you will still get called by weaker hands than yours. Then bet the river and collect your small fortune. Link to post Share on other sites
petersun 0 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Share Posted November 19, 2006 Thanks guys for the responses. I'm not surprised that the overwhelming response of FCPers was in support of a position that I share. Now I think I can articulate a little better why not betting (on turn or river) is -EV. For me, it's instinctively obvious that you need to keep betting all the way.For some reason, my friend likes tight-passive-trappy play when he plays cash games. It hasn't been and I don't think it ever can be a profitable strategy. Link to post Share on other sites
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