omahahilo 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 Those don't make sense...But anyway. You're obviously just dealing with the ugly side of variance. It happens, you just have to deal with it. Honestly, be glad the donkeys make those calls, they can't win in the long run, its impossible.But sometimes? It was meant as a sarcastic remark meaning that it must be nice that you win some of those races.Matt Link to post Share on other sites
WallstreetMSU 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 also, if you want to push the draws out, make a 3/4 or pot sized bet on the flop. giving him improper pot odds. Link to post Share on other sites
crocd99 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 oh another thing you could do is post this in strat. if you want advice on strat you should post in the strat forum not general. general every thread gets flamed it just how it goes so dont get mad. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Yes, I apologise, for being an idiot. The flop was rainbow and the 2 made the flush draw possible it suited the 6 I'm sorry.But sometimes ... I always lose to these draws. Seriously, in the last week I have played 25+ tournaments and have been knocked out of at least 18 of them by draws hitting on the river just like this.MattIf you end up all in as an 80% favourite 3 times in a tournement than half the time you will end up being knocked out of that tournament on one of those hands. Link to post Share on other sites
omahahilo 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 Ok ... you win.I have mistyped twice. I have no idea how to play.Even if I lose more than 20% of a 80/20 race I should be thrilled that they call.I couldn't possibly be as good at the rest of the FCP army.That about cover it?Oh yea,Lock It UpYou win.Matt Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 But sometimes? It was meant as a sarcastic remark meaning that it must be nice that you win some of those races.MattYou said "sometimes" you "always" lose. Nevermind, it isn't important. Just be glad that the donkeys are willing to make terrible EV decisions against you. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I'm sorry I didn't say that correctly. I meant what level would people stop CALLING with only a Jack hi flush draw.I understand that pushing with it is differant depending on position etc ...Matt Well this depends on pot odds and implied odds? LOL.Oh..okay. Keep up the good work, you dumb monkey. "Oooh, I've got implied odds..If I my flush hits I'm gonna win a big pot! I call!" Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Oh..okay. Keep up the good work, you dumb monkey. "Oooh, I've got implied odds..If I my flush hits I'm gonna win a big pot! I call!"I U Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 He didn't originally say calling all in. He intially said that THEY(villian) were pushing all in, not calling all in. sweetheart :heart:Thanks for caring...But he did in the post you made that reply to, moron. Link to post Share on other sites
crocd99 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Ok ... you win.I have mistyped twice. I have no idea how to play.Even if I lose more than 20% of a 80/20 race I should be thrilled that they call.I couldn't possibly be as good at the rest of the FCP army.That about cover it?Oh yea,Lock It UpYou win.Mattthis post was so much better than you other ones. i actually lmao when i read this. no sw Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 These are the threads that make general so good. Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 These are the threads that make general so good.I tried to help but the FCP cool guy army came rushing in and bombarded poor OP. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Even if I lose more than 20% of a 80/20 race I should be thrilled that they call.Of couse you should. You don't control what cards get dealt. Getting all the money in as an 80% favourite is about as good as you can do (well winning without a show down is better sometimes) Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 So ... tell me what I did wrong here.MattOn the flop you whined about a bad beat.On the turn you probably swore at an inaminate object.On the river you pressed the New Topic Button.You played every street wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I tried to help but the FCP cool guy army came rushing in and bombarded poor OP.Your help was profound--my fault, obv. "..implied odds, lol" Link to post Share on other sites
WallstreetMSU 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 On the river you pressed the New Topic Button.LMAO!!!!That was funny Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 If you end up all in as an 80% favourite 3 times in a tournement than half the time you will end up being knocked out of that tournament on one of those hands.80% favourite 3 times in a tournamenthalf the time you will end up being knocked outon one of those handsBreak that down for me. How many times out of three would I get knocked out, in your example? Link to post Share on other sites
augmented 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 80% favourite 3 times in a tournamenthalf the time you will end up being knocked outon one of those handsBreak that down for me. How many times out of three would I get knocked out, in your example?to calculate the likelihood that you get knocked out if you are 20 percent to lose three times, you take the likelihood that you won't lose any given time, and raise it to the power of however many times you're running it. so for this example:0.8 cubed = .512so 51.2 percent that you lose at least once in those three times. make some sense? doesn't that sound about right?OP, ysapky. Link to post Share on other sites
stopsayingfrankly 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 mod, change thread name to "I want to lose money playing poker. Can you please help me lose my money?" to those trying to answer this guy seriously... why? he said he wants to play with better players than him... let him! to OP: if you want to play with players who won't make mistakes against you, i'd advise reloading your account for 100k and playing the biggest nl games. isnt poker great? there are actually people out there, just like this guy, who truely would LIKE to lose their money. Link to post Share on other sites
Knight_Owl 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt I"ll tell you what you did wrong, you made it Cheap on the flop for villian to be able to see a cheap turn thereforre chances of improving and ultimatly having a risk of being sucked out on! Just PUSH ON THE FLOP! If you keep playing like a Wuss! Or FancyPlaySyndrome than this is going to be occuring, over, and Over, and OVER AGAIN! Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Just PUSH ON THE FLOP! If you keep playing like a Wuss! Or FancyPlaySyndrome than this is going to be occuring, over, and Over, and OVER AGAIN!If you push on the flop, the idiot will call for sure as a 2:1 underdog. That's an easy call for them since they're calling after the turn as a 4:1 underdog. I'd rather push after the turn card to give them one chance to suckout and not two. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 If you push on the flop, the idiot will call for sure as a 2:1 underdog. That's an easy call for them since they're calling after the turn as a 4:1 underdog. I'd rather push after the turn card to give them one chance to suckout and not two.I think the final version was that they turned the flush draw. So on the flop they were under 6% to win (needing runner-runner flush, two pair or trips). Then again I didn't really keep up with the changes. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I'd prolly just quit poker. Link to post Share on other sites
HijackedAffairs 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Switch places! If you think people sucking out is likely chase flushs. It's not rocket science, you were winning the hand but got unlucky. It happens, you want people calling there. If you don't, quit. Seriously just stop, because you have no concept of what poker is about. Link to post Share on other sites
IQCrash 1 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Learn to bet like a man instead of 150 chips into a 450+ chip pot.Not to mention, you actually thought you were pricing out the draws with that small of a bet?Sounds like you're playing above your level mate, not below it.Cheerio.- Crash Link to post Share on other sites
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